Sky introduce new encryption system to combat piracy (HD Channels have began switch)

hallo dare wrote: »

No point in even posting here when there's a fool like you. Hope it actually does happen before the world cup now, if for nothing else but to take your ego down a peg or 2.

I must admit, you've made me smile.

Give me one good reason why Sky would actually use the World Cup as a cut-off point?

I've given you a couple why there is no logical basis to this assumption.

irishfeen wrote: »

Could very well be inside sources as sky is a massive organisation and tbh sky probably aren't keeping it majorly on the DL - time will tell but one thing is certain, they will all be on the new system come Premier League kick off in August.

That's what I'm questioning. Did this source even mention inside knowledge? Maybe somebody could post the actual quote here so that a judgement can be made?

But, as I said, anybody can say anything on an internet board and have others quoting it as if there is some basis in it (and to be fair to you Irishfeen you have given a reason why you think there might be something in it).

Now, Sky using the new Premier League season as a cut-off point - that does make sense.

irishfeen wrote: »

Ha radio with all due respect I think you being a tad hard on hallo dare - with such a system very few even inside sky will probably know the exact day the channels will be switched over (because its contantly changing) but "Before the WC" could be used as a date to give everyone a bit of breathing space either way but that's the date all channels are due to be done and dusted.

Again Irishfeen you're at least giving some reasoning behind why you believe the statement might be correct - although I'd still like to know what it is about the original post that has people believing there's something in it and it's not just guesswork on the part of the OP.

In return I'm giving the reasoning why I believe it is not correct.

I really don't know why some people get so worked up about others who hold opinions that differ from their own without resorting to abuse.

hallo dare wrote: »

Exactly, maybe you should read and abide by what you just said.

Night, night!

Still conversing with me then?

You are extremely sensitive to react the way you have just because somebody questioned what you posted.

And you still haven't actually given a reason why you posted it (beyond you read it somewhere else)

Lets call a spade a spade here , sky are greedy bastards with their high prices when people are trying to make ends meet and struggling to pay bills and people will always look for cheaper alternatives to get the sky chns as sky have nearly every sporting event sewn up now , they are even getting their hands on the GAA now thanks to the greed of the GAA aswell and their pathetic excuse of catering for the irish abroad which is fine but let the matches run on our own terrestrial chns at the same time and that way everybody is happy so the short and the long of it is if sky had reasonable prices for their service then maybe people wouldnt go to the hassle of streaming and card sharing and if i can get cheap sources elsewhere i will use them and not feel one bit guilty either...dont get me started...

you are right , the GAA didnt get greedy , they were always greedy , only for the great skill involved in hurling the gaa would be finished as nobody could afford to go to the intercounty matches never mind the all ireland final and all the money they get from the concerts in croke park and now they want the people in the country old and young alike to pay sky to watch the best sport in the world and our national game and try and justify it with feeble excuses , anyway lets not go off topic here too much as all i am interested in is cheap or free sports chns , check out xbmc its free....

I hate to say it but I think this Thread could be heading for locking.

I'd love it to stay open as I always think there could be a good discussion about the subject, without going into how it could be used for the wrong reasons.

But I think over the last few posts, some of the limits that this Thread can work within to stay open are being pushed to the brink.


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Deleted User wrote: »

Why do you think that?

As long as people dont discuss Sea Lions and how to illegally obtain encrypted channels then nothing has been broken.

Using your Sky card in another box with a CAM is perfectly legal under EU law, Using boxes such as dreamboxes is perfectly legal providing you dont use it for illegal means to obtain encrpted channels.

Cool...Thanks for that.

I thought once CAMS were mentioned it was going to start going down hill.

Glad it's been cleared up.
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machiavellianme wrote: »

Does that include after you go out of contract? I pay for Sky but my HD box has seen better days. I was thinking of going the non-Sky box route for a replacement so I could swap out my TNTSAT and Sky cards as required (if I can source a suitable box with diseqc).

You only have a working Sky Card if you have a contract. If you have a Sky Card only use it in a Sky Box. If you are long term customer they often will replace a dead box for free.

You own the physical box, cables and dish. You don't own the viewing card or software.

Over 10 years ago a 1 year Sky contract was a cheap way to get a Sat box and install. Now if you only want Free to Air, a Sky Box is pointless.

I have still one old Sky box used for Radio in Bedroom (a free Sky replacement) without Contract. For Living room I use Freesat HD box. For "hobby" use I have a cheap generic box (less than 2 months Sky Sub) which can use either Motorised Dish or a setup with four LNBFs.

I also have a PC with 2 x DVB-S2 PCI cards using DVBviewer with MHEG5 plugin option and fed also from four x LNBFs.

By all means get a fancy box for FTA / Hobby / Media. But if you have a Sky Sub only use the card in the Sky Box. It's not criminal to use it in another box as long as you don't "share" (that is criminal, not just copyright). But using a Sky card outside of your Sky Box, Sky are entitled to kill it for breach of contract. It may stop working anyway.

No Contract = Sky Card doesn't Work. Use a non-Sky box.
Working Sky Card = Contract only. By using it you are agreeing to contract, only use in Sky Box or it may fail or you can face Sky penalties. Sky will "cheaply" or "free" replace boxes on long term customers.


You do own Sky Hardware (except card) from DAY 1 of Contract. You are NOT out of contract after a year. You are only out of Contract when you have no Subscription. Every NEW Contract or Contract Renewal or free box replacement will have a minimum period before you can cancel. You are NOT out of Contract after this period. The Contract ONLY ends when you get Sky to agree to cancel subscription.

Sky is a Pay TV service. They don't own any Satellite(s) either. To make the service work your box MUST automatically accept updates. It's not the same scenario as mobile phone. The reason you own the box and dish is that is suits Sky's accounting better than Cable TV company where you NEVER own the box (Cable or MMDS). In essence the Sky box is pretty crippled without a subscription (no recording or even playback) and today is pointless without a subscription.