Court approves force feeding.

end of the road · 28-05-2014 07:40PM

Valetta wrote: »

I think it's fair enough.

Some people need to be protected from their own stupidity.

not good enough, this is not a case for the courts, for the family and doctors to discuss, but yeah, if the state interfearing in everyones problems makes you happy

Sulla Felix · 28-05-2014 07:40PM

If she hasn't indicated a wish to die, then I think the hospital is right to do everything they can to keep her alive.
I support the right to die but that doesn't seem to be the case here.

Valmont · 28-05-2014 07:41PM

Ask most people if suicide is against the law and they will say of course not. Just don't tell your doctor you plan to do it by starving yourself or he'll lock you up and stick a tube down your throat 'for your own good'. Tolerance and respect for individual rights unfortunately means sometimes letting people do something to themselves that you feel is not good for them--whether it is suicide or self-starvation. Calling it a disease named 'anorexia' simply demeans this articulate and clearly intelligent young woman's choice to starve herself, as difficult as it is to accept that we might not understand her reasons for doing so.

EyeSight · 28-05-2014 07:42PM

Valmont wrote: »

Ask most people if suicide is against the law and they will say of course not. Just don't tell your doctor you plan to do it by starving yourself or he'll lock you up and stick a tube down your throat 'for your own good'.

But she isn't trying to commit suicide. She just thinks she doesn't need the food

end of the road · 28-05-2014 07:46PM

Valetta wrote: »

No, but it can lead to stupid actions. Hence my post.

well its not what you said

Anita Blow · 28-05-2014 07:47PM

Having worked with patients with mental disorders, I completely agree with the medical team who filed the request who have her best interests at heart. I myself have experienced patients who are outwardly normal, but due to their mental status have no insight into their condition and it's implications, which places their medical team in positions like this.
It's an incredibly grey area because when the person is otherwise intelligent and articulate it makes it very difficult to determine whether they have the capacity to make the decision.
The decision was by no means easy, I imagine. Nobody wants to have to force feed a person against their will, especially people in a caring role such as doctor/nurse but ultimately in this case, it seems that the ends justify the means.

suicide_circus · 28-05-2014 07:48PM

EyeSight wrote: »

But she isn't trying to commit suicide. She just thinks she doesn't need the food

And there for has been judged to be incompetent to make her own decisions on the matter

Azwaldo55 · 28-05-2014 07:50PM

CB19Kevo wrote: »

I think in no circumstance should this be used,Mental disorder or otherwise i just cant agree with it.
http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0528/620211-court-anorexia/

So you want the woman to starve to death then? :mad:

28-05-2014 07:55PM

This is an impossibly hard one to call -

Someone I know went through this horrible mental illness, that could have killed them if they finally didn't turn around things by themselves. They now have an incredibly happy life, with so many things that just would not have happened otherwise. I wouldn't be surprised that, if it ever came to it and they had to be force-fed, they'd be thankfully for it now.

Azwaldo55 · 28-05-2014 07:55PM

Valmont wrote: »

Ask most people if suicide is against the law and they will say of course not. Just don't tell your doctor you plan to do it by starving yourself or he'll lock you up and stick a tube down your throat 'for your own good'. Tolerance and respect for individual rights unfortunately means sometimes letting people do something to themselves that you feel is not good for them--whether it is suicide or self-starvation. Calling it a disease named 'anorexia' simply demeans this articulate and clearly intelligent young woman's choice to starve herself, as difficult as it is to accept that we might not understand her reasons for doing so.

Absolutely moronic comment. :mad:
Tolerance by backside!
Dying is obviously not for her own good or have you somehow missed
something?
The girl is quite clearly nuts and is starving herself to death.
We don't need to understand her reasons to do so.
We simply stop her from killing herself and save her life.
What good is served from letting her die?

Valmont · 28-05-2014 07:55PM

EyeSight wrote: »

But she isn't trying to commit suicide. She just thinks she doesn't need the food

The court has acknowledged that she is intelligent and articulate. Doctors have told her what will happen if she doesn't eat. If she is continuing to refuse to eat enough food I can't believe she isn't aware of or doesn't know the consequences of her actions. She isn't a drooling moron mental patient after all (a distinction some of you are happy to make if it means keeping her alive and making yourselves feel better).

hatrickpatrick · 28-05-2014 07:56PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

better force fed then dead

Says who? She is an adult, she has he right to make whatever choices she wants to about her own body.

Azwaldo55 · 28-05-2014 07:57PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Says who? She is an adult, she has he right to make whatever choices she wants to about her own body.

Ridiculous nonsense.:mad:

Valmont · 28-05-2014 07:58PM

Azwaldo55 wrote: »

The girl is quite clearly nuts

She is rational, articulate, and intelligent, as the court rightly determined. Just because you don't understand why she is doing what she is doing doesn't mean she's 'nuts' and you should force a tube down her throat. She has also said she does not want to be force-fed - a practice which many human rights organisations have determined as constituting torture.

The choice to live or die, to eat or not eat, should be down to an individual, not the HSE and its team of quacks.

Azwaldo55 · 28-05-2014 07:59PM

Valmont wrote: »

The court has acknowledged that she is intelligent and articulate. Doctors have told her what will happen if she doesn't eat. If she is continuing to refuse to eat enough food I can't believe she isn't aware of or doesn't know the consequences of her actions. She isn't a drooling moron mental patient after all.

So what? Who cares what she thinks. The doctor's job is to keep her alive. End of.

hatrickpatrick · 28-05-2014 07:59PM

Azwaldo55 wrote: »

Ridiculous nonsense.:mad:

What a carefully thought out and well argued position. Bravo. :rolleyes:

Lightbulb Sun · 28-05-2014 08:00PM

Valmont wrote: »

The court has acknowledged that she is intelligent and articulate. Doctors have told her what will happen if she doesn't eat. If she is continuing to refuse to eat enough food I can't believe she isn't aware of or doesn't know the consequences of her actions. She isn't a drooling moron mental patient after all.

This is what anorexia does to a person. She can be intelligent and still make irrational decisions. These decisions are dictated by her psychiatric condition.

kylith · 28-05-2014 08:01PM

Her father told the court she was his eldest child and they had had an ongoing struggle with her condition.

He said the family had not been aware the situation had become so serious until they read a report in a newspaper.

Was no-one in her family in contact with her? I can't imagine not being aware that a member of my family is starving themselves to death.

Valmont · 28-05-2014 08:01PM

Azwaldo55 wrote: »

So what? Who cares what she thinks. The doctor's job is to keep her alive. End of.

Could you explain why I have the right to refuse life-saving heart surgery then?

Hotale.com · 28-05-2014 08:02PM

kylith wrote: »

Was no-one in her family in contact with her? I can't imagine not being aware that a member of my family is starving themselves to death.

It's possible that the gravity of the situation just didn't hit them until they saw it on the newspaper.

Azwaldo55 · 28-05-2014 08:03PM

Valmont wrote: »

She is rational, articulate, and intelligent, as the court rightly determined. Just because you don't understand why she is doing what she is doing doesn't mean she's 'nuts' and you should force a tube down her throat. She has also said she does not want to be force-fed - a practice which many human rights organisations have determined as torture.

I don't want or care to understand why she is doing what she is doing.
You are turning logic on its head if you think feeding a woman with a tube to keep her alive is torture.
That's the most stupid thing I have ever heard.
Doctors and nurses are supposed to stand aside and let this idiot starve herself to death?
Mind boggling nonsense!:mad:

Hotale.com · 28-05-2014 08:03PM

Azwaldo55 wrote: »

So what? Who cares what she thinks. The doctor's job is to keep her alive. End of.

The doctor's job is to care for her and respect any decisions she, or her family, make.

EyeSight · 28-05-2014 08:04PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

And there for has been judged to be incompetent to make her own decisions on the matter

because she has a mental illness. Like i said, i support the right to die but when one is of sound mind to make that decision.
If this was someone in your family, who didn't think staving herself would kill her, would you say "fair enough, your choice"?

If she overcomes he illness and decides to kill herself i believe that is her decision. I severely doubt she would chose starvation as a method to kill herself

Hotale.com · 28-05-2014 08:05PM

Azwaldo55 wrote: »

Doctors and nurses are supposed to stand aside and let this idiot starve herself to death?
Mind boggling nonsense!:mad:

Do you realise how ignorant you sound?

Azwaldo55 · 28-05-2014 08:06PM

Valmont wrote: »

Could you explain why I have the right to refuse life-saving heart surgery then?

Oh spare me! Feeding a patient and life saving heart surgery are obviously two different things. Sticking a tube down her throat and opening up a patients chest are universes apart.

Azwaldo55 · 28-05-2014 08:07PM

Hotale.com wrote: »

Do you realise how ignorant you sound?

Saving a woman's life is ignorance?

Black is white and white is black!

Azwaldo55 · 28-05-2014 08:07PM

Hotale.com wrote: »

The doctor's job is to care for her and respect any decisions she, or her family, make.

Nonsense.

Hotale.com · 28-05-2014 08:09PM

Azwaldo55 wrote: »

Saving a woman's life is ignorance? Black is white and white is black!

You called someone mentally ill an "idiot". Do you also believe depressed people are just self-absorbed and overly-sensitive, and should be able to just snap out of their plight because there's people worse off than them?

Hotale.com · 28-05-2014 08:09PM

Azwaldo55 wrote: »

Nonsense.

Where's the nonsense?

Azwaldo55 · 28-05-2014 08:11PM

Hotale.com wrote: »

You called someone mentally ill an "idiot". Do you also believe depressed people are just self-absorbed and overly-sensitive, and should be able to just snap out of their plight because there's people worse off than them?

So she should be allowed to starve to death while we wait for her to snap out of it?

Court approves force feeding.

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