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UK man faces jail for "accidentally" slapping Ryanair stewardess on bottom

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  • #122
    Tarzana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Tarzana


    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    hen party+male steward=non story

    Not necessarily, if the male steward doesn't allow it to be no big deal. I'm not well versed on case law in this area, so I don't know if there's precedent. If not, take it to court, set a precedent. Be a trail-blazer. Or if you don't care about it, carry on. But men are not powerless here either. Little steps.


  • #123
    ToddyDoody
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,419 ✭✭✭ToddyDoody


    Same sentence if a woman did it to a man? No, because its not the same thing. Its very confusing.


  • #124
    Pumpkinseeds
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,635 ✭✭✭Pumpkinseeds


    P. Breathnach wrote: »
    Yes it is, and it's also battery.

    To suggest otherwise is to offer a licence for men to indulge in lewd behaviour. If a woman does not want a man's hand on her arse (or any other part of her) she is entitled to have her wishes respected.

    Seriously? If any woman asked her friends if she should prosecute some drunk guy because they slapped her arse they'd laugh at her. It's fricking ridiculous. We aren't talking about ongoing sexual harassment or sexual assault. It's a case of a drunken passenger slapping an air hostesses arse for Christ's sake. I really don't see that this is an issue that should have gone anywhere near a court.

    Of course a woman shouldn't be put in that situation but it's a non story, if she can't cope with the occassional slap on the arse from an asshole passenger then she's in the wrong line of work.


  • #125
    Shakespeare's Sister
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,412 ✭✭✭Shakespeare's Sister


    Pumpkinseeds wrote: »
    Seriously? If any woman asked her friends if she should prosecute some drunk guy because they slapped her arse they'd laugh at her. It's fricking ridiculous. We aren't talking about ongoing sexual harassment or sexual assault. It's a case of a drunken passenger slapping an air hostesses arse for Christ's sake. I really don't see that this is an issue that should have gone anywhere near a court.
    I agree with most of that, except for the downplaying of the incident - "It's a case of a drunken passenger slapping an air hostess's arse for Christ's sake". Yeh it is - it's completely sh-t and unacceptable.
    Of course a woman shouldn't be put in that situation but it's a non story, if she can't cope with the occassional slap on the arse from an asshole passenger then she's in the wrong line of work.
    Why on earth should she "cope" with it? How about: he shouldn't have done it?
    There's no way she should just accept it happens, bizarre way of looking at it (and disquieting). She's dead right to have reprimanded him/reported him to her manager.


  • #126
    P. Breathnach
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,089 ✭✭✭✭P. Breathnach


    Pumpkinseeds wrote: »
    ... if she can't cope with the occassional slap on the arse from an asshole passenger then she's in the wrong line of work.
    So a woman who doesn't want strangers slapping her should not think of working as a flight attendant?


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  • #127
    _Redzer_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,056 ✭✭✭_Redzer_


    P. Breathnach wrote: »
    Yes.

    What do you mean "also"? I never said that I was in favour of jailing the guy in this case. You may infer that I am in favour of prosecuting him and applying a sanction.

    The thread was started to discuss a particular man's behaviour in relation to a particular woman. There is an element of whataboutery in some of the posts about the behaviour of some women in relation to men, and I was choosing to focus on the issue raised in the OP.

    But as you have raised the question, I am equally against women touching men inappropriately, and would be supportive of a woman being prosecuted and sanctioned for equivalent behaviour.

    To my mind, the fact that the woman was at work is also a factor in the case. She didn't have access to some of the response options of a woman in a social situation, as she had to maintain a professional demeanour. In treating her as he did, he was taking advantage of the constraints under which she had to operate.

    I was not sexually assaulted.

    To say I was sexual assualted because some girl drunkenly grabbed my ass for a laugh is an insult to people who *actually* get assaulted.


  • #128
    Dilly.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91 ✭✭Dilly.


    Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

    Of course a woman shouldn't be put in that situation but it's a non story, if she can't cope with the occassional slap on the arse from an asshole passenger then she's in the wrong line of work.

    What do you mean wrong line of work?? Its not like she's a stripper FFS!


  • #129
    Penny Tration
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,687 ✭✭✭✭Penny Tration


    Ah here.

    When you're in a club or pub, you know full well that having your arse grabbed is a possibility. It happens, we laugh it off.

    Completely different story in work. If somebody dared to touch my arse in work, I'd be calling security. I wouldn't be allowed tell them to fcuk off, like I would on a night out, because I'd lose my job.

    Nobody, male or female, should have to put up with sexual harassment in the workplace.

    It's going to happen on nights out. It doesn't make it okay, but you're gonna laugh it off.

    Happening while you do your shopping, walk down the street, do your job, fcuk yes, report it.


  • #130
    jimgoose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,237 ✭✭✭✭jimgoose


    Very simple. Do not touch me. I can't kill you, so I will make it my business to jail you.


  • #131
    comewatmay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 274 ✭✭comewatmay


    Don't see any harm in it myself.

    As was pointed out if it happened a man there'd be no issue.

    Girl needs to grow up and get on with it.

    It's a compliment if anything.


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  • #132
    osarusan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,059 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    comewatmay wrote: »

    It's a compliment if anything.

    Oh jesus...


  • #133
    Lyaiera
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭Lyaiera


    comewatmay wrote: »
    Don't see any harm in it myself.

    As was pointed out if it happened a man there'd be no issue.

    Girl needs to grow up and get on with it.

    It's a compliment if anything.

    What if the man does have a problem with it? I know men who've been groped about it and were told to "man up" despite being obviously upset. And that's complete bull****.


  • #134
    Shakespeare's Sister
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,412 ✭✭✭Shakespeare's Sister


    "I don't think it's a big deal, therefore nobody else should."

    Actually I think it's just as skanky for a woman to slap a man's arse, particularly in the workplace in front of loads of people.

    But anyway, this is about this particular woman, and she didn't like it - as is her right.

    Even if it is a compliment-ish... it shouldn't be done. Bizarre the "logic" some people use.


  • #135
    comewatmay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 274 ✭✭comewatmay


    Many women would be honoured to have their ass grabbed.

    It's an 'agricultural' way of complimenting a woman.

    The more the merrier I say.


  • #136
    _Redzer_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,056 ✭✭✭_Redzer_


    Magaggie wrote: »
    "I don't think it's a big deal, therefore nobody else should."

    Actually I think it's just as skanky for a woman to slap a man's arse, particularly in the workplace in front of loads of people.

    But anyway, this is about this particular woman, and she didn't like it - as is her right.

    Even if it is a compliment-ish... it shouldn't be done. Bizarre the "logic" some people use.

    And I would agree you shouldn't put up with it at work, but getting jailed for it is still absolutely crazy. For men or women that do it.


  • #137
    Shakespeare's Sister
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,412 ✭✭✭Shakespeare's Sister


    _Redzer_ wrote: »
    And I would agree you shouldn't put up with it at work, but getting jailed for it is still absolutely crazy. For men or women that do it.
    I've already said I think jail would be way too OTT, but the downplaying of the incident by a few people is spectacular.


  • #138
    Barely There
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,481 ✭✭✭Barely There


    Pumpkinseeds wrote: »
    Seriously? If any woman asked her friends if she should prosecute some drunk situation but it's a non story, if she can't cope with the occassional slap on the arse from an asshole passenger then she's in the wrong line of work.

    A lot of dumb **** gets posted on Boards on a daily basis, but frankly, that's the dumbest sentence I've read on here in years.


  • #139
    Barely There
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,481 ✭✭✭Barely There


    comewatmay wrote: »
    Don't see any harm in it myself.

    As was pointed out if it happened a man there'd be no issue.

    Girl needs to grow up and get on with it.

    It's a compliment if anything.

    Hungry troll is hungry.


  • #140
    Wishiwasa Littlebitaller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,337 ✭✭✭Wishiwasa Littlebitaller


    How much time should this woman serve?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4hFF7HF7hk


  • #141
    Pumpkinseeds
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,635 ✭✭✭Pumpkinseeds


    Barely There wrote: »
    A lot of dumb **** gets posted on Boards on a daily basis, but frankly, that's the dumbest sentence I've read on here in years.

    You're absouletly right there. I can't believe that in this day and age I'm having to argue with another adult, presumably you are a grown up?, that a drunken slap on the arse is a trivial, though inappropriate thing to do. It is not assault, it is not something that should be before a court. For goodness sake cop on to yourself.

    If she has any complaint it should be with her employer for allowing drunken passengers on board a flight.


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  • #142
    Pumpkinseeds
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,635 ✭✭✭Pumpkinseeds


    P. Breathnach wrote: »
    So a woman who doesn't want strangers slapping her should not think of working as a flight attendant?

    It's a job where they must have to put up with a lot of crap on an almost daily basis, so if she can't handle the occassional obnoxious drunk, then yes, she possibly should consider a career that doesn't require a thicker skin.


  • #143
    Barely There
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,481 ✭✭✭Barely There


    Pumpkinseeds wrote: »
    It's a job where they must have to put up with a lot of crap on an almost daily basis, so if she can't handle the occassional obnoxious drunk, then yes, she possibly should consider a career that doesn't require a thicker skin.

    Interesting that your proposed solution to 'ass-grabbers' is that the women should basically just put up with it, as opposed to sanctioning the ass grabber.

    Very interesting.


  • #144
    stoneill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,607 ✭✭✭stoneill


    Doesn't Mary have a lovely bottom.


  • #145
    Pumpkinseeds
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,635 ✭✭✭Pumpkinseeds


    Barely There wrote: »
    Interesting that your proposed solution to 'ass-grabbers' is that the women should basically just put up with it, as opposed to sanctioning the ass grabber.

    Very interesting.

    It's not sanctioning the ass-grabber, putting up with the odd ass grab is just one of those annoying parts of life that women occassionally have to deal with. You must lead a very sheltered life if you think it's such a big deal that someone should be prosecuted for it.

    I don't like it, most women don't like it. I'd say that most air hostesses have had their asses slapped at some point, if they were all prosecuting every time it happened there'd be no male passengers on their flights. I really don't get the hysteria. It must just be boredom on the part of the over reactors or else some of you are just out of touch with reality.


  • #146
    stoneill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,607 ✭✭✭stoneill


    Of course, they all have lovely bottoms


  • #147
    kylith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,745 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    Pumpkinseeds wrote: »
    It's not sanctioning the ass-grabber, putting up with the odd ass grab is just one of those annoying parts of life that women occassionally have to deal with. You must lead a very sheltered life if you think it's such a big deal that someone should be prosecuted for it.
    How much should we have to put up with it? Once a day? Twice? Hourly? When does it stop being something you should put up with? So one guy feels entitled to do it, what if every other guy you pass feels the same? Sure they're all only having a bit of fun. They're all only having a laugh. They're all of the opinion that it's no big deal. Sure, it's a compliment really.

    It is never ok to put your hand on another person without their permission.


  • #148
    jimgoose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,237 ✭✭✭✭jimgoose


    Pumpkinseeds wrote: »
    It's not sanctioning the ass-grabber, putting up with the odd ass grab is just one of those annoying parts of life that women occassionally have to deal with...

    That's as may be Pumpkin, but they shouldn't have to deal with it. Touching anyone's arse without appropriate site-certification and clearance is not cool, even in the case of a six-foot valkyrie with two handkerchiefs on her and a posterior that could start a World war. Admire all you like, but do not touch! :D


  • #149
    Pumpkinseeds
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,635 ✭✭✭Pumpkinseeds


    kylith wrote: »
    How much should we have to put up with it? Once a day? Twice? Hourly? When does it stop being something you should put up with? So one guy feels entitled to do it, what if every other guy you pass feels the same? Sure they're all only having a bit of fun. They're all only having a laugh. They're all of the opinion that it's no big deal. Sure, it's a compliment really.

    It is never ok to put your hand on another person without their permission.

    I totally agree with you. I just don't think prosecuting someone is the right thing to do and I don't believe for a minute that prosecuting a passenger will stop any others from doing it. The article describes a guy who was so drunk he was making an ass of himself in other ways too. I just don't get why so many women think this is something that should be prosecuted.

    I'm not trying to defend the guy. I think it's a major over-reaction and I think the blame should be focused more on Ryanair for letting a drunk passenger on board a flight. It could just as easily been a female passenger who had her ass slapped, and the last thing most women would think of doing is prosecuting.


  • #150
    Barely There
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,481 ✭✭✭Barely There


    Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

    I don't like it, most women don't like it. I'd say that most air hostesses have had their asses slapped at some point, if they were all prosecuting every time it happened there'd be no male passengers on their flights. I really don't get the hysteria. It must just be boredom on the part of the over reactors or else some of you are just out of touch with reality.


    Why's that then?

    Because all men are ass-grabbers?


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  • #151
    Pumpkinseeds
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,635 ✭✭✭Pumpkinseeds


    Barely There wrote: »
    Why's that then?

    Because all men are ass-grabbers?

    No, because I think that it's probably something that happens to air stewardesses on a regular basis and as my post said if all of them were prosecuted there'd probably be a lot fewer male passengers. You really are just arguing for the sake of it now. Tbh if you really think that an ass slap and it was an ass slap not an ass grab, is such a big deal then you real do need to get out more.


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