Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

Santa Cruz · 27-05-2014 04:57PM

Rough Sleeper wrote: »

Pick your battles, man. I'm sure those 5 days are going to suck a large one for anyone who wouldn't describe a county colours night with free Tayto and hang sangwiches as "mighty," and the attitude displayed by the concert attendees on this thread has been pretty dismal, but complaining about people deigning to use profane language in your area sound pompous and petty. If you want to distance yourself and yours from that kind of thing you'd be wise to leave the country relocate to Texas.

or Baghdad

Jamsiek · 27-05-2014 05:01PM

Deacon Ashy Penguin wrote: »

I was not referring in particular to work with that comment, it would certainly be used among my group of friends at work but not so much in an official situation more at lunch or in meetings with only certain individuals present. That said, particularly in the pub environment I have heard very senior people use it.

Not meaning to come across as a snob but I would avoid people like that like the plague

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 27-05-2014 05:03PM

pundy wrote: »

there could be, but really what sort of absolute mental weirdo does it take to do ALL that instead of just going on a short holiday that week, or maybe you know, take a few deep breaths and relax for once in your petty life?

why bother prolonging your "misery" of the whole thing by extending it to court etc?

i find it actually genuinely hilarious for all the (only word for it) STUPID people who moved to this area and didnt think there would be events on!

oh and BTW, i live less than a mile away from croker and i'm all for it. bit of buzz in the area!

Here's a list for you:

Number of concerts held in Croke Park by year:

1996 - 1
1997 - 3
1998 - 2
1999-2005 - None. So if you moved into the area in this time, it was quite reasonable to assume there wouldn;t be all that many in the future.
2006 - 2
2007 - 0
2008 - 3
2009 - 4
2010 - 1
2011 - 2
2012 - 2
2013 - 0
Thus far, we have an average of less that 2 concerts over the last 8 years, and nothing at all in the 6 years before that.

So the question is: what the hell are you basing the idea that the residents knew there'd be several concerts a year when they moved in?

Now, you ask why they are going to the courts:
2014 - 8 (if planning permssion is granted)
2015 - ?
2016 - ?
They are doing so because to NOT do so means having unlimited numbers of concerts in the next few years becuse promoterrs will just stearoll over them ever time and the Council won't listen because noone is speaking.

27-05-2014 05:12PM

Jamsiek wrote: »

Not meaning to come across as a snob but I would avoid people like that like the plague

Well then you would be avoiding the majority of people I know (including me). Actually I don't think it would be possible to avoid it as most normal people don't get worked up over a bit of bad language.

I can't see the problem or why you would want to avoid people.

Jamsiek · 27-05-2014 05:14PM

Deacon Ashy Penguin wrote: »

Well then you would be avoiding the majority of people I know (including me). Actually I don't think it would be possible to avoid it as most normal people don't get worked up over a bit of bad language.

I can't see the problem or why you would want to avoid people.

I don't get worked up with bad language, it's just that my family and friends generally don't use it very much.
I might utter the F word in private but there's a time and a place IMO

John_Rambo · 27-05-2014 05:43PM

Deacon Ashy Penguin wrote: »

Well then you would be avoiding the majority of people I know (including me)

Eh, judging you from reading this thread if be inclined to avoid you and your ilk too.

JRant · 27-05-2014 06:07PM

blackwhite wrote: »

Except for this quote here implying that vulgar language isn't common in the Croke Park area.

But keep making baseless accusations. Really makes you look like you've plenty of reasoned arguments :pac:

I never said anything about who lives in the area, merely the type of language that I used to hear on the walk home. There's a mix of various nationalities in the area. You seem to be forgetting the entire population to the East of Croke Park though (Summerhill, Ballybough Rd, Portland St.). That's pretty much full of native Dubs.
Or do you think that the people hanging around outside the Sunset are not native Dubs.

I'll ask again so, where does the poster say say that type of language is never used in their area.

Well Ballybough road is like Strumpet city up to the sunset pub with the amount of tenaments and non-nationals. Same applies to pretty much the whole of the North Circular. Add in the fact that Drumcondra is heavily populated with students/teachers from the schticks and you quickly find that a large proportion of people in the area are not typical D1/D3 heads.

Tarzana · 27-05-2014 06:12PM

Leroy Miniature Photographer wrote: »

Foul mouthed, ha ha :pac:?? This isn't America

John_Rambo wrote: »

When, or if you ever spread your wings you will realise that what goes on in your peer group isn't "the vast majority".

Yup, if ever there was contributor taken in by his peer group, it's Leroy Miniature Photographer.

Nox001, if c*nt is acceptable in your workplace and you like saying it, count yourself fortunate. It is most certainly *not* acceptable in the vast majority (to use your term) of workplaces. I often drop the F bomb on my own time, but never, ever in my workplace. If you use these freely in future workplaces, expect a reprimand for unprofessionalism.

Stay classy!

weldoninhio · 27-05-2014 06:39PM

The residents don't have a leg to stand on. Croker is a commercial entity, if it can make money through concerts it will.

This smokescreen about "agreements" etc is nonsense. The agreement states that if there are any more than 3 concerts, that planning permission has to be applied for. This has been adhered to.

Once Aitken agree to have the minimum amount of facilities required by law, such as stewards, portaloos, Gardai etc No judge is going to stop a commercial entity from being used. As I said before, I've heard that they have been granted the permission and it just hasn't been announced.

But if it hadn't been given the go ahead I would have been shocked.

Smidge · 27-05-2014 06:44PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Here's a list for you:

Number of concerts held in Croke Park by year:

1996 - 1
1997 - 3
1998 - 2
1999-2005 - None. So if you moved into the area in this time, it was quite reasonable to assume there wouldn;t be all that many in the future.
2006 - 2
2007 - 0
2008 - 3
2009 - 4
2010 - 1
2011 - 2
2012 - 2
2013 - 0
Thus far, we have an average of less that 2 concerts over the last 8 years, and nothing at all in the 6 years before that.

So the question is: what the hell are you basing the idea that the residents knew there'd be several concerts a year when they moved in?

Now, you ask why they are going to the courts:
2014 - 8 (if planning permssion is granted)
2015 - ?
2016 - ?
They are doing so because to NOT do so means having unlimited numbers of concerts in the next few years becuse promoterrs will just stearoll over them ever time and the Council won't listen because noone is speaking.

When people read the above concert figures, theres a reason why the numbers decreased after the 3(sorry Princess

)U2 concerts in 2009.
Havoc was caused for the residents, that's why.
But they fought back.
So GAA apologised and made the agreement which is currently in place.
But of course this isn't good enough for GAA/Aiken & co. So they set about abusing their neighbours AGAIN.
You're absolutely spot on Princess, if the residents allow this to happen, what next year and the years after???
I really and truly hope the residents come out in their droves and if they don't get these gigs cancelled at the very least make lives for GAA/Aiken etc a living nightmare.
I hope they cause havoc by delaying trucks for setting up stages and equipment. I hope they cause as much disruption to the whole entire sham as is humanly and legally possible.
Have a read of the link below folks, it can be done. And I hope the residents do it in a spectacular fashion.
Might give GAA/Aiken a reality check and a very good lesson in being "neighbourly"

http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0728/120042-crokepark/

weldoninhio · 27-05-2014 06:49PM

Smidge wrote: »

When people read the above concert figures, theres a reason why the numbers decreased after the 3(sorry Princess )U2 concerts in 2009.
Havoc was caused for the residents, that's why.
But they fought back.
So GAA apologised and made the agreement which is currently in place.
But of course this isn't good enough for GAA/Aiken & co. So they set about abusing their neighbours AGAIN.
You're absolutely spot on Princess, if the residents allow this to happen, what next year and the years after???
I really and truly hope the residents come out in their droves and if they don't get these gigs cancelled at the very least make lives for GAA/Aiken etc a living nightmare.
I hope they cause havoc by delaying trucks for setting up stages and equipment. I hope they cause as much disruption to the whole entire sham as is humanly and legally possible.
Have a read of the link below folks, it can be done. And I hope the residents do it in a spectacular fashion.
Might give GAA/Aiken a reality check and a very good lesson in being "neighbourly"

http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0728/120042-crokepark/

The 2009 agreement that they are currently sticking to? That agreement???

smellmepower · 27-05-2014 06:55PM

Residents should start disrupting bogball matches too if 'de association' keep ignoring them.

Smidge · 27-05-2014 07:04PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

The 2009 agreement that they are currently sticking to? That agreement???

Oh for the love of god.
CP are NOT keeping their agreement, that's the whole point. The residents were not consulted/included in the plans for the 5 GB concerts.
WHICH IS PART OF THE 2009 AGREEMENT

The concerts were planned and announced and then after all was said and done the residents were basically told to suck it up.
How many times do people have to keep on spelling it out for you?

bennyl10 · 27-05-2014 07:10PM

Smidge wrote: »

Oh for the love of god.
CP are NOT keeping their agreement, that's the whole point. The residents were not consulted/included in the plans for the 5 GB concerts.
WHICH IS PART OF THE 2009 AGREEMENT

The concerts were planned and announced and then after all was said and done the residents were basically told to suck it up.
How many times do people have to keep on spelling it out for you?

But they are.. They've sought planning permission.. That's all the agreement said.

weldoninhio · 27-05-2014 07:10PM

Smidge wrote: »

Oh for the love of god.
CP are NOT keeping their agreement, that's the whole point. The residents were not consulted/included in the plans for the 5 GB concerts.
WHICH IS PART OF THE 2009 AGREEMENT

The concerts were planned and announced and then after all was said and done the residents were basically told to suck it up.
How many times do people have to keep on spelling it out for you?

The wording of the "agreement" that was put up here, stated that they could have 3 concerts a year without a planning application, anything more than that needed to get planning permission. The Garth Brooks concerts are currently in the process of GETTING planning permission. Everything is above board according to the quoted agreement from on here and the Northside people.

27-05-2014 07:14PM

Tarzana wrote: »

Yup, if ever there was contributor taken in by his peer group, it's Leroy Miniature Photographer.

Nox001, if c*nt is acceptable in your workplace and you like saying it, count yourself fortunate. It is most certainly *not* acceptable in the vast majority (to use your term) of workplaces. I often drop the F bomb on my own time, but never, ever in my workplace. If you use these freely in future workplaces, expect a reprimand for unprofessionalism.

Stay classy!

In the office I would use the word c*nt in front of certain people and vice versa mostly I would refrain from using it. Other stuff like F's, s*it etc are perfectly acceptable and often used in official working capacity. Before you say I work in a small company, I don't. I work in very international environment with the vast majority of people PhD qualified.

My previous job was in a multinational company which is a house hold name, exactly the same perfectly acceptable to use F's etc in the office.

I would be very surprised to find a work place in Ireland(not dealing directly with the public) that people care too much about a bit of bad language.

Smidge · 27-05-2014 07:14PM

Well how about from the horses mouth then.

At a meeting this afternoon, the President and the Director General of the GAA told residents that they would involve them in meaningful dialogue in relation to future events.

Taken from RTE news.

And also, how do you know that one of the stipulations of the planning application isn't that GAA must have consulted and been given the approval of the RA?

jack presley · 27-05-2014 07:18PM

Smidge wrote: »

Well how about from the horses mouth then.

At a meeting this afternoon, the President and the Director General of the GAA told residents that they would involve them in meaningful dialogue in relation to future events.

Taken from RTE news.

And also, how do you know that one of the stipulations of the planning application isn't that GAA must have consulted and been given the approval of the RA?

Future events, as in 2015 onwards I presume?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 27-05-2014 07:20PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

The wording of the "agreement" that was put up here, stated that they could have 3 concerts a year without a planning application, anything more than that needed to get planning permission. The Garth Brooks concerts are currently in the process of GETTING planning permission. Everything is above board according to the quoted agreement from on here and the Northside people.

Oh, I'm not denying that - I'm just answering points about "the resdents shoud have known" or "it's an economic enterprsie, so what?".

The point is that there is more to life than economics, and a five-week concert binge is a bit much by anyone's standards. It's disruptive. It's disrespectful. As is shrugging your shoulders and saying "tough ****".

And it being above boars doesn't actually change any of that.

Smidge · 27-05-2014 07:36PM

jack presley wrote: »

Future events, as in 2015 onwards I presume?

No, he said that in 2009.
Taken form the RTE news link I had put in the post that was quoted

jack presley · 27-05-2014 07:38PM

Smidge wrote: »

No, he said that in 2009.

Sorry, I thought that quote you posted was breaking news from today.

Smidge · 27-05-2014 07:40PM

jack presley wrote: »

Sorry, I thought that quote you posted was breaking news from today.

Bet you're glad you didn't put a :rolleyes: in that post.

:P

end of the road · 27-05-2014 07:43PM

Seaneh wrote: »

I really hope it doesn't go ahead. The promoters have completely abused the good will of the residents and are 100% taking the piss here and laughing at the people who's lives are being disrupted for several days at a time only a few weeks apart just so a shower of plebs can listen to **** music.

what good will? the residents moved in to an area with a large stadium, either they put up and shut up or sell up.

Seaneh wrote: »

The residents, croke park and the promoters had an agreement

which no evidence of exists

Seaneh wrote: »

croke park and the promoters are completely taking the piss and should be wrapped on the knuckles.

no they aren't and no they shouldn't be, they are making use of a large venue which isn't, yet should be used to its full potential.

Seaneh wrote: »

Cancling these gigs will send a strong message to bleep bleep companies like the promoters and let them know that they aren't above the law and their financial interests aren't more important than thousands of local residents standard of living.

it won't send any message, croke park will remove any investment they put into the local community and maybe even refuse the use of their properties to residents of the local area, i wouldn't blame them if it went so far that croke park felt it was necessary, i don't want planes flying over every few minutes so i don't and won't live near an airport, so if you don't want concerts, don't live near a venue, its as simple as that.

end of the road · 27-05-2014 07:45PM

Daith wrote: »

An agreement to have 3 concerts then apply for more. If I was the residents I'd be blaming whoever signed the agreement that specified Croke Park could apply for more than 3 concerts instead of an air tight only 3 events allowed.

Or making sure that Croke Park can not sell tickets to events that have not been licensed.

that agreement was part of the planning stipulations and not an agreement with residents

That_Girl_ Is_ A_Cowboy · 27-05-2014 07:46PM

John_Rambo wrote: »

No, most of you are aggressive, bullish, some of you condone and threaten obnoxious and anti social behaviour. A good few of you, including you are foul mouthed.

Not a very nice bunch judging by this thread.

You forget to mention the type of people that the croke park residents are with this earlier in the thread:

smileyj1987 wrote: »

I tell you what how about we throw a loud party outside your home . Get locked and throw up and piss all your property and see how you feel when we are done .

end of the road · 27-05-2014 07:54PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Here's a list for you:

Number of concerts held in Croke Park by year:

1996 - 1
1997 - 3
1998 - 2
1999-2005 - None. So if you moved into the area in this time, it was quite reasonable to assume there wouldn;t be all that many in the future.
2006 - 2
2007 - 0
2008 - 3
2009 - 4
2010 - 1
2011 - 2
2012 - 2
2013 - 0
Thus far, we have an average of less that 2 concerts over the last 8 years, and nothing at all in the 6 years before that.

So the question is: what the hell are you basing the idea that the residents knew there'd be several concerts a year when they moved in?

Now, you ask why they are going to the courts:
2014 - 8 (if planning permssion is granted)
2015 - ?
2016 - ?
They are doing so because to NOT do so means having unlimited numbers of concerts in the next few years becuse promoterrs will just stearoll over them ever time and the Council won't listen because noone is speaking.

when you know a large venue exists in a place your moving into, you know the potential for it to be used for events exists, just because it isn't or hasn't at the time of moving in doesn't mean it won't, if one can't realize that then nothing can be done

end of the road · 27-05-2014 08:05PM

Smidge wrote: »

Well how about from the horses mouth then.

At a meeting this afternoon, the President and the Director General of the GAA told residents that they would involve them in meaningful dialogue in relation to future events.

Taken from RTE news.

And also, how do you know that one of the stipulations of the planning application isn't that GAA must have consulted and been given the approval of the RA?

they can and did consult the RA, they don't have to ask the RA for permission though

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 27-05-2014 08:11PM

end of the road wrote: »

when you know a large venue exists in a place your moving into, you know the potential for it to be used for events exists, just because it isn't or hasn't at the time of moving in doesn't mean it won't, if one can't realize that then nothing can be done

Fallacy - its not a venue, its a sports stadium. Sports events they would have knowm or assumed about

The occasional concert - 2 a year on average - would have been a reasonable assumption. A jump of 300% in one year is not. Also, you could have assumed they wouldn't do 5 in a row in the middle of summer.

If they were arguing against ANY concerts st all, then you could have had a point that they should have expected it, and they never complained about the first three.

Smidge · 27-05-2014 08:18PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Fallacy - its not a venue, its a sports stadium. Sports events they would have knowm or assumed about

The occasional concert - 2 a year on average - would have been a reasonable assumption. A jump of 300% in one year is not. Also, you could have assumed they wouldn't do 5 in a row in the middle of summer.

If they were arguing against ANY concerts st all, then you could have had a point that they should have expected it, and they never complained about the first three.

I don't even bother replying to eotr anymore tbh. He just keeps saying the same thing over and over despite how many times and by numerous people, has been thrashed out.

smileyj1987 · 27-05-2014 08:18PM

That_Girl_ Is_ A_Cowboy wrote: »

You forget to mention the type of people that the croke park residents are with this earlier in the thread:

Earlier in the thread I made that post after a number of people had claimed the people in the area surrounding croke park hadn't got any legitimate claim as to why the gigs shouldn't go ahead .
So I asked one rude poster on here that question to see how they would feel if they had to put up with some of the crap the people in the area had to .

Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

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