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Some US States to bring back Firing Squads for Death Penalty

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  • #32
    Wazdakka
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,467 ✭✭✭Wazdakka


    Meh...
    The state executing somebody is the state executing somebody as far as I'm concerned. As long as there isn't a prolonged element of pain attached to the execution, then the method doesn't really matter..


  • #33
    Arthur Beesley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,537 ✭✭✭Arthur Beesley


    Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »
    What's going on? :confused:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-27534688
    On 17 June 2010 his arms, legs and head were strapped to a metal chair and four bullets - from five sharpshooters, one whose gun was loaded with blanks - ripped through a target pinned over his heart.


  • #34
    No Pants
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,346 ✭✭✭No Pants


    Still seems very waste to execute people one at a time. It would be more efficient to execute people in large groups.


  • #35
    wazky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,516 ✭✭✭wazky


    No Pants wrote: »
    Still seems very waste to execute people one at a time. It would be more efficient to execute people in large groups.

    Fill up a bus load of them and drive to the nearest cliff

    That would be cost effective now.


  • #36
    Duggy747
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,295 ✭✭✭✭Duggy747


    Death by RPG!


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  • #37
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 25,909 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    No Pants wrote: »
    Still seems very waste to execute people one at a time. It would be more efficient to execute people in large groups.

    Maybe get railway lines running into where it's done.


  • #38
    Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo


    Arthur Beesley wrote: »
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-27534688

    4 different posters responded by saying 'I thought it was the other way round'. It kinda tripped me out. I'm still recovering from a heavy weekend. :(


  • #39
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    So, concerned about the implications after an execution was botched, some states are planning to reintroduce even more fallible and torturous forms of the death penalty?

    America gets weirder and weirder. Firing squad is fallible. Shot to the head or the heart, you leave wide open the potential for a death that is not instant but instead is painful and barbaric.

    Don't even get me started on the electric chair.

    Inert gas asphyxiation. You stick someone in a chamber and slowly replace the oxygen in the chamber with an inert gas like nitrogen. Because the gas is inert, it does not enter the bloodstream or otherwise cause any reaction in the body. The prisoner slowly becomes drowsy and a little high from lack of oxygen before falling unconscious. Leave them in the chamber for 2 hours. Provided that you ensure the oxygen level remains at zero, death is absolutely guaranteed.


  • #40
    osarusan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,060 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    I'd guess that the people involved put effort into making blank bullets (was bullets in Utah's case) which replicate the feeling of a live round as closely as possible.

    Otherwise, what's the point, at least in terms of the firing squad members themselves?


  • #41
    Wazdakka
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,467 ✭✭✭Wazdakka


    No Pants wrote: »
    Still seems very waste to execute people one at a time. It would be more efficient to execute people in large groups.
    wazky wrote: »
    Fill up a bus load of them and drive to the nearest cliff

    That would be cost effective now.
    Duggy747 wrote: »
    Death by RPG!

    Surely some form of Gas chamber would be more efficient for executing large number of people at once?

    What??


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  • #42
    neamhspleachi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 345 ✭✭neamhspleachi


    Cheap, efficient & gets the job done


  • #43
    No Pants
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,346 ✭✭✭No Pants


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Maybe get railway lines running into where it's done.
    I was thinking more along these lines:

    1. Dig a big hole.
    2. Put the inmates in the hole.
    3. Fill in the hole.


  • #44
    catallus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭catallus


    Why so much misplaced compassion for a person who committed such a heinous crime that it merits the death penalty?


  • #45
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,623 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    No Pants wrote: »
    I was thinking more along these lines:

    1. Dig a big hole.
    2. Put the inmates in the hole.
    3. Fill in the hole.

    Cover with lime? Hole can then be re-used. People clearly haven't visited enough Holocaust museums if they don't know all these simple tricks.


  • #46
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,623 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    catallus wrote: »
    Why so much misplaced compassion for a person who committed such a heinous crime that it merits the death penalty?

    Because most normal people have a natural feeling called empathy.

    Most normal people also realise that state sanctioned murder is illogical, ineffective and expensive.


  • #47
    Barely There
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,481 ✭✭✭Barely There


    catallus wrote: »
    Why so much misplaced compassion for a person who committed such a heinous crime that it merits the death penalty?

    Opposition to the death penalty has very little to do with a misplaced sense of compassion for criminals.


  • #48
    No Pants
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,346 ✭✭✭No Pants


    Diego Simeone wrote: »
    Cover with lime? Hole can then be re-used. People clearly haven't visited enough Holocaust museums if they don't know all these simple tricks.
    I haven't visited any Holocaust museums, but that is a good trick.

    Alternatively, tie them all together and put them in a river. Shoot one. That's the way the Turks did it.


  • #49
    LeinsterDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    Not a supporter of the Death Penalty at all but couldn't they fashion some sort of remotely fired machine multiple buttoned for this , instead of this blank nonsense?


  • #50
    catallus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭catallus


    Empathising with someone who committed a crime that gets them the death penalty is illogical and deeply immoral.

    Ineffective and expensive? Only if it is done wrong.


  • #51
    Andy-Pandy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,848 ✭✭✭Andy-Pandy


    The French had it right. If it was me I would want the guillotine, fast and painless.


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  • #52
    Maximus Alexander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,080 ✭✭✭✭Maximus Alexander


    Andy-Pandy wrote: »
    The French had it right. If it was me I would want the guillotine, fast and painless.

    How do you know it's painless? Be hard to do a survey on that surely?


  • #53
    LeinsterDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    catallus wrote: »
    Empathising with someone who committed a crime that gets them the death penalty is illogical and deeply immoral.

    Ineffective and expensive? Only if it is done wrong.

    Actually the death penalty is super expensive
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-6TJ3C_ytE


  • #54
    No Pants
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,346 ✭✭✭No Pants


    LeinsterDub wrote: »
    Actually the death penalty is super expensive
    They must be doing something wrong if it's more expensive to kill someone than to keep them locked up for life.


  • #55
    Oink
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 2,163 Mod ✭✭✭✭Oink


    seamus wrote: »
    So, concerned about the implications after an execution was botched, some states are planning to reintroduce even more fallible and torturous forms of the death penalty?

    America gets weirder and weirder. Firing squad is fallible. Shot to the head or the heart, you leave wide open the potential for a death that is not instant but instead is painful and barbaric.

    Don't even get me started on the electric chair.


    Exactly. Let's see: At one point they decided that firing squads and the electric chair were not acceptable for a number of reasons. Have all those reasons now disappeared because they're stuck?


  • #56
    Jagdtiger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 167 ✭✭Jagdtiger


    wazky wrote: »
    Fill up a bus load of them and drive to the nearest cliff

    That would be cost effective now.

    Think of the environmental impact tho...


  • #57
    Beano
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,357 ✭✭✭Beano


    No Pants wrote: »
    They must be doing something wrong if it's more expensive to kill someone than to keep them locked up for life.

    Most of the cost is due to the number of mandatory appeals that the convicted party must be allowed. Lawyers are not cheap


  • #58
    catallus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭catallus


    LeinsterDub wrote: »
    Actually the death penalty is super expensive

    From the video (2:10 onwards):

    "The [excessive cost] comes primarily from reviewing over and over and over again the decision on the choice of punishment. And we simply don't need as many reviews as we have."

    It is the appeals process that shoots up the cost. It is unnecessary and unjust. The same speaker said that even if the death penalty were not sought that Habeas Corpus petitions would still be brought. It is like a tribunal of enquiry for these scumbags; as usual the lawyers milk it to death.


  • #59
    Beano
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,357 ✭✭✭Beano


    Oink wrote: »
    Exactly. Let's see: At one point they decided that firing squads and the electric chair were not acceptable for a number of reasons. Have all those reasons now disappeared because they're stuck?

    they were replaced with a more humane method in lethal injection. that method is no longer available so the are switching back to the old ways.


  • #60
    Custardpi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭Custardpi


    Beano wrote: »
    they were replaced with a more humane method in lethal injection. that method is no longer available so the are switching back to the old ways.

    Except in many cases the lethal injection is probably less humane than other forms of execution. Unless you're properly trained in injections & the chemicals are both produced & adminstered correctly then what may happen is that the inmate will simply be paralysed & tortured to death over a much longer period than either electrocution or firing squad would be likely to take. Lethal injection was introduced to make the process of killing someone more palatable for those who watched, regardless of any pretence it was for the benefit of the executee.


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  • #61
    Sinister Pigeon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 106 ✭✭Sinister Pigeon


    Totally against death by shooting.
    Stop killing pigeons people.


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