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  • #92
    Davarus Walrus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,280 ✭✭✭Davarus Walrus


    Nino Brown wrote: »
    I think it should be legalized myself, but you make it sound like it's mandatory to smoke it. If you could lose your job because of it and still do it, then though sh!t if you get caught, you're an idiot.
    I don't understand people feeling victimized when they're caught breaking the law, we all break some laws sometimes, but we all know the risks and the consequences.

    Unless it's the type of company that involves men with dreadlocks and neckbeards going round to festivals selling cheap burgers to drunks, then no company would tolerate having a serial toker on their payroll. Rather like they wouldn't tolerate having a drunk arriving into work.


  • #93
    Seedy Arling
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,002 ✭✭✭Seedy Arling


    Khalil Teeny Quartet wrote: »
    The kind of paper that comes with a recommended listening playlist of Grateful Dead and Pink Floyd songs.

    That's a very disrespectful tone you are taking. You are disregarding the positive parts of getting baked. Sales of fast food will grow, vinyl sales of prog rock will go through the roof and it will be 4.20 everyday! Yeah man!

    It's serious business and the MAN is keeping me from getting stoned.


  • #94
    pundy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 673 ✭✭✭pundy


    AlanG wrote: »
    Which country in Europe? It is tolerated in the Netherlands but not legal. Is there another country where it is actually legal?

    in Spain, it's not illegal or legal, but they have cannabis members clubs all over the country, including the balearic and canary islands.

    it's a fairly decent model actually - more like a loophole where you pay a membership fee to join for a year, and then you make "donations" as opposed to "buying" the weed. so nobody is drug dealing, legally they are allowed to grow the plants and consume within the grounds of the club, and it is legal to grow up to 6 plants for personal use in the country - as long as you consume it in your own home or private place.

    it's the way it's going now, no need to get annoyed if you dont want it to be legal, it wont affect you in the slightest.

    nobody is shouting from the rooftops about it being a "magical elixir" either.... that might just be you thinking "what if it is?"... "Maybe they're right"...


  • #95
    kylith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,745 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    Davarus Walrus wrote: »
    Unless it's the type of company that involves men with dreadlocks and neckbeards going round to festivals selling cheap burgers to drunks, then no company would tolerate having a serial toker on their payroll. Rather like they wouldn't tolerate having a drunk arriving into work.

    Not if you were coming in baked, no, but unlike alcohol there's no hangover the next morning. I'd prefer to work with someone who smokes than with a heavy drinker because the drinker is more likely to have it impact their work.


  • #96
    Davarus Walrus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,280 ✭✭✭Davarus Walrus


    kylith wrote: »
    Not if you were coming in baked, no, but unlike alcohol there's no hangover the next morning. I'd prefer to work with someone who smokes than with a heavy drinker because the drinker is more likely to have it impact their work.

    I'd rather not work with either to be honest. The only people who don't think excessive cannabis use changes personality traits and motivation are stoners themselves.


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  • #97
    pundy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 673 ✭✭✭pundy


    Davarus Walrus wrote: »
    I'd rather not work with either to be honest. The only people who don't think excessive cannabis use changes personality traits and motivation are stoners themselves.

    yeah, so what you are saying is that you essentially heard it from the "horses mouth".

    you disagree with the very person who experiences the drug, on THEIR own mind/brain/body etc, and yet, they are the ones taking the drug?

    Strange that. you're essentially saying that they are taking the drug, feeling its effect and then saying what the effect is out loud and you dont agree?
    they're the ones experiencing it?!

    Baffled.


  • #98
    Davarus Walrus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,280 ✭✭✭Davarus Walrus


    pundy wrote: »
    yeah, so what you are saying is that you essentially heard it from the "horses mouth".

    you disagree with the very person who experiences the drug, on THEIR own mind/brain/body etc, and yet, they are the ones taking the drug?

    Strange that. you're essentially saying that they are taking the drug, feeling its effect and then saying what the effect is out loud and you dont agree?
    they're the ones experiencing it?!

    Baffled.

    Dude, I've read your post on three occasions, and I genuinely haven't got a clue what it's supposed to be about.


  • #99
    blackwhite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,992 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    pundy wrote: »
    yeah, so what you are saying is that you essentially heard it from the "horses mouth".

    you disagree with the very person who experiences the drug, on THEIR own mind/brain/body etc, and yet, they are the ones taking the drug?

    Strange that. you're essentially saying that they are taking the drug, feeling its effect and then saying what the effect is out loud and you dont agree?
    they're the ones experiencing it?!

    Baffled.

    So the judgement of people who are taking a drug which is known to impair judgement must be taken without question, and should have greater weight placed on it than scientific studies.


  • #100
    kneemos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,609 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Davarus Walrus wrote: »
    I'd rather not work with either to be honest. The only people who don't think excessive cannabis use changes personality traits and motivation are stoners themselves.

    Think we all know people with the constant expression as if they've just woken up and eyes like a Saint Bernard.
    But then it's good for them.


  • #101
    kylith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,745 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    Davarus Walrus wrote: »
    I'd rather not work with either to be honest. The only people who don't think excessive cannabis use changes personality traits and motivation are stoners themselves.

    I smoked nightly for over a decade and it never impacted on my ability to do a day's work the next day. I know people who smoke regularly and run successful businesses. Michael Phelps smoked dope and won 22 Olympic medals, are you going to claim that it effected his motivation?


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  • #102
    folan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,630 ✭✭✭folan


    Rob Ford smoked crack and he was still able to be mayor.

    maybe thats not a good example


  • #103
    kylith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,745 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    folan wrote: »
    Rob Ford smoked crack and he was still able to be mayor.

    maybe thats not a good example
    He wasn't a very good mayor though, was he?


  • #104
    Seedy Arling
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,002 ✭✭✭Seedy Arling


    kylith wrote: »
    He wasn't a very good mayor though, was he?

    Maybe he should have smoked weed instead?


  • #105
    Nino Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,507 ✭✭✭Nino Brown


    kylith wrote: »
    I smoked nightly for over a decade and it never impacted on my ability to do a day's work the next day. I know people who smoke regularly and run successful businesses. Michael Phelps smoked dope and won 22 Olympic medals, are you going to claim that it effected his motivation?

    I work with a stoner, he doesn't think it affects his ability to work either. And he's probably right because nobody asks him to do anything, so he never fooks up.


  • #106
    Davarus Walrus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,280 ✭✭✭Davarus Walrus


    kylith wrote: »
    I smoked nightly for over a decade and it never impacted on my ability to do a day's work the next day. I know people who smoke regularly and run successful businesses. Michael Phelps smoked dope and won 22 Olympic medals, are you going to claim that it effected his motivation?

    If you smoked cannabis every night for over a decade then you were a drug addict. If I ate bananas every night for a decade then I'd be addicted to bananas. But at least bananas aren't a psychoactive substance.

    I genuinely don't believe it didn't have a negative impact on your ability to do your work. Despite what you may think. As I've said, it's rarely the addict who sees what their drug is doing to them.


  • #107
    --LOS--
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,028 ✭✭✭✭--LOS--


    Jonny7 wrote: »
    Teenagers here have no problem getting drink. Likewise, the lax laws in Holland just allowed teens get weed fairly easily, strong weed at that

    If you could say The Netherlands instead of Holland, that'd be great.


    Weed in the Netherlands is treated no different than drink. You have to be 18 to buy it and they do ID religiously.

    I'm 26 and I cannot go into a coffeeshop that I'm not a regular to and buy weed without getting ID'd. I wouldn't even go without ID because I'm likely to be asked. I can barely buy ****ing tobbacco without being ID'd, the law for that is also 18 here now.

    And it's not the dutch that are smoking weed in Amsterdam, it's the tourists and international people. Dutch young people look down on tourists who come here and smoke their visit away. The fact is young Dutch people just aren't interested in weed.


  • #108
    richy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 502 ✭✭✭richy


    blackwhite wrote: »
    Other than saying that anyone who doesn't share your opinion should be sterilised? Sounds pretty angry to me

    I said that if you lack the ability to see something so obvious in front of your face you should be sterilised. It was clearly in jest. The fact is that not one person who is against legalisation has given a good reason why it should be illegal.
    kneemos wrote: »
    Called me a bit simple.

    Because you cannot make a rational argument. I have put plenty of valid points and even cited studies but you were too lazy to google them(maybe from smoking too much pot) If you are not able or willing to broaden your knowledge and read a small bit into something then I believe you to be either simple or extremely lazy. Maybe lay of the pot. I must get the anger side effects and you her the lazy, not caring effects.
    blackwhite wrote: »
    BTW - where have I said that I am pro or anti the legalisation of cannabis?

    To be honest, it's an issue I don't particularly care about, but if pushed I'd generally be of the legalise, regulate and tax viewpoint. However I think that there's a million more pressing issues that I'd prefer our elected representatives to be focused on at the present time.

    From reading the threads on here though, the pro-cannabis posters to have a tendancy to allow themselves get extremely worked up over the issue (like yourself advocating sterilisation of anyone on the anti side, or throwing personal abuse at people who post stuff you disagree with). A strange reaction from people who claim to use a drug that makes people more mellow :p

    You say there is much bigger issues. I believe this is one of the biggest issues. How much is spent enforcing these laws every year, how much is lost in revenue and potential job creation? Give me an idea that will free up as much police time and impact crime gangs as much as the legalisation of cannabis would. I'm not a fanatic smoke weed everyday it's great kinda guy. There are many negative side effects as I stated before and it along with all drugs should be used in moderation. As I said I rarely smoke now. I am fanatic about making ireland a better place which I think legalisation would do. Freeing up police time and saving hundreds of millions per annum. What's your suggestion to make an improvement to ireland?

    Nino Brown wrote: »
    I think it should be legalized myself, but you make it sound like it's mandatory to smoke it. If you could lose your job because of it and still do it, then though sh!t if you get caught, you're an idiot.
    I don't understand people feeling victimized when they're caught breaking the law, we all break some laws sometimes, but we all know the risks and the consequences.

    How do I make it sound mandatory? I'm saying it shouldn't be mandatory that people can't smoke it. I know two doctors and one nurse personally who smoke. These people aren't stupid. Ya it's not worth it to risk your career over but chances are if these people were caught, they will just inform the guardi of who sold it to them to save their own skins. Anyway it's mostly young people who are caught before they even get a chance to begin their career and fully understand the consequence of having a drug conviction for certain careers
    Davarus Walrus wrote: »
    If potheads want to sit around all day getting stoned off their tits then let them off I say. Let them grow a few plants and get baked. It's when they start getting self-righteous about their choice of drug that things become tiresome. Trying to validate smoking the wacky like it's a magical elixir that cures everything. Usually supported by some piece of non peer-reviewed woo research written by a couple of stoners from the University of Rural Mountainous Mozambique.

    A scientist advisory group on drugs classification for the uk government aren't stoners. They are the most respected people in their field. As was dr tashkin from the university college of Los Angeles. In case your not a well read man it's one of those big fancy universities In that big continent to the west do us. So people campaigning for abortion rights are self righteous? What bout gay rights? It should be a persons right to use a drug if it doesn't cause anyone else harm. Cannibis isn't a magic elixir, who claimed that. However It has made a serious difference in many peoples lives. even the daily mail which was the original just say no drugs are bad paper is admitting the truth. It helps many conditions and we are finding more and more uses for it. Increasing appetite in cancer patients, reducing and stopping violent epilepsy seizures, pain killer properties for MS. Even look at the headline on an article on daily mail recently which I can't post a link to as I don't have enough posts but if you google this headline you'll find the article "
    Another medical use for cannabis as scientists find it helps reduce seizures in people with severe epilepsy" ANOTHER as in more than one. I have seen the difference it makes to peoples lives and it's huge. But I'm not trying to get it legalised to help people who are sick. I'm for legalisation because it's the rational thing to do.
    Khalil Teeny Quartet wrote: »
    The kind of paper that comes with a recommended listening playlist of Grateful Dead and Pink Floyd songs.

    Clearly you haven't read many peer reviewed studies if you think they come with free CDs. Maybe your thinking of the little book do bad jokes that you clearly got that from.
    Davarus Walrus wrote: »
    Unless it's the type of company that involves men with dreadlocks and neckbeards going round to festivals selling cheap burgers to drunks, then no company would tolerate having a serial toker on their payroll. Rather like they wouldn't tolerate having a drunk arriving into work.

    Incorrect. The FBI are finding it hard to find hackers who don't smoke pot for their cyber programs and can't compete with the private big name firms like google, facebook and paypal who are paying thee pot smoking neckbeards serious money. Their are many famous rich smart people who support legalisation, even president Obama and David Cameron were in favour of it before they came to power.


  • #109
    richy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 502 ✭✭✭richy


    Davarus Walrus wrote: »
    I'd rather not work with either to be honest. The only people who don't think excessive cannabis use changes personality traits and motivation are stoners themselves.

    Excessive anything can affect your personality.
    blackwhite wrote: »
    So the judgement of people who are taking a drug which is known to impair judgement must be taken without question, and should have greater weight placed on it than scientific studies.

    Where's this scientific study?
    Davarus Walrus wrote: »
    If you smoked cannabis every night for over a decade then you were a drug addict. If I ate bananas every night for a decade then I'd be addicted to bananas. But at least bananas aren't a psychoactive substance.

    I genuinely don't believe it didn't have a negative impact on your ability to do your work. Despite what you may think. As I've said, it's rarely the addict who sees what their drug is doing to them.

    Drug habit ya. Drug addiction no. You have to be addicted to it to be an addict. I gave up after smoking daily for seven years and the only side effects were vivid nightmares for the first couple of nights and boredom for a couple of weeks. Now compare that to alcohol or tobacco addiction.I know a lot of smokers. Prob 30+ I can think of two people who it had serious affects on. One had underlying psychiatric problems, the other person lost their confidence. They were robbing for a bag of weed or sucking dick for weed whereas many people do commit crimes to fund their alcohol/benzos habit. I have many friends who were very anti weed and who now support legalisation. My parents included. Straight arrow people who never touched a "drug" but of course have used alcohol and tobacco before. My parents actually votes in the local elections for a pro cannabis candidate(not Ming) because they listened to me, looked at the evidence i showed them and made an informed opinion not a uninformed decision on anecdotal evidence.


  • #110
    folan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,630 ✭✭✭folan


    kylith wrote: »
    He wasn't a very good mayor though, was he?

    isn't. the mayorial vote for Toronto has yet to be held.

    And by what standards? he has been voted into office twice


  • #111
    kneemos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,609 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    richy wrote: »
    I said that if you lack the ability to see something so obvious in front of your face you should be sterilised. It was clearly in jest. The fact is that not one person who is against legalisation has given a good reason why it should be illegal.



    Because you cannot make a rational argument. I have put plenty of valid points and even cited studies but you were too lazy to google them(maybe from smoking too much pot) If you are not able or willing to broaden your knowledge and read a small bit into something then I believe you to be either simple or extremely lazy. Maybe lay of the pot. I must get the anger side effects and you her the lazy, not caring effects.



    You say there is much bigger issues. I believe this is one of the biggest issues. How much is spent enforcing these laws every year, how much is lost in revenue and potential job creation? Give me an idea that will free up as much police time and impact crime gangs as much as the legalisation of cannabis would. I'm not a fanatic smoke weed everyday it's great kinda guy. There are many negative side effects as I stated before and it along with all drugs should be used in moderation. As I said I rarely smoke now. I am fanatic about making ireland a better place which I think legalisation would do. Freeing up police time and saving hundreds of millions per annum. What's your suggestion to make an improvement to ireland?




    How do I make it sound mandatory? I'm saying it shouldn't be mandatory that people can't smoke it. I know two doctors and one nurse personally who smoke. These people aren't stupid. Ya it's not worth it to risk your career over but chances are if these people were caught, they will just inform the guardi of who sold it to them to save their own skins. Anyway it's mostly young people who are caught before they even get a chance to begin their career and fully understand the consequence of having a drug conviction for certain careers



    A scientist advisory group on drugs classification for the uk government aren't stoners. They are the most respected people in their field. As was dr tashkin from the university college of Los Angeles. In case your not a well read man it's one of those big fancy universities In that big continent to the west do us. So people campaigning for abortion rights are self righteous? What bout gay rights? It should be a persons right to use a drug if it doesn't cause anyone else harm. Cannibis isn't a magic elixir, who claimed that. However It has made a serious difference in many peoples lives. even the daily mail which was the original just say no drugs are bad paper is admitting the truth. It helps many conditions and we are finding more and more uses for it. Increasing appetite in cancer patients, reducing and stopping violent epilepsy seizures, pain killer properties for MS. Even look at the headline on an article on daily mail recently which I can't post a link to as I don't have enough posts but if you google this headline you'll find the article "
    Another medical use for cannabis as scientists find it helps reduce seizures in people with severe epilepsy" ANOTHER as in more than one. I have seen the difference it makes to peoples lives and it's huge. But I'm not trying to get it legalised to help people who are sick. I'm for legalisation because it's the rational thing to do.



    Clearly you haven't read many peer reviewed studies if you think they come with free CDs. Maybe your thinking of the little book do bad jokes that you clearly got that from.



    Incorrect. The FBI are finding it hard to find hackers who don't smoke pot for their cyber programs and can't compete with the private big name firms like
    google, facebook and paypal who are paying thee pot smoking neckbeards serious money. Their are many famous rich smart people who support legalisation, even president Obama and David Cameron were in favour of it before they came to power.

    Never read multiple replies.


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  • #112
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    kneemos wrote: »
    Never read multiple replies.

    Why bother replying then? :rolleyes:


  • #113
    kneemos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,609 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    My name is URL wrote: »
    Why bother replying then? :rolleyes:

    So he knows not to do it.
    Who can be bothered with that many opinions from one person?


  • #114
    --LOS--
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,028 ✭✭✭✭--LOS--


    kneemos wrote: »
    So he knows not to do it.
    Who can be bothered with that many opinions from one person?

    Maybe a DISCUSSION FORUM like boards.ie is not the place for you then :P


  • #115
    catallus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭catallus


    richy wrote: »
    [....]


    TlDR if your against cannabis legalisation and you won't make the effort to read something that will take you three minutes your an idiot. If you read it and you still don't think it should be illegal you should be sterilised so as not to pass on your stupidity to future generations.

    Just after waking up so excuse me for typos as it was written on IPAD

    I know what you are saying, but you need to edit your tldr, unless you want to be misunderstood.


  • #116
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    The debate around harm has always seemed to me to be missing the point entirely, much like the debate around homosexuality being natural vs being a choice. Both questions are irrelevant. The bottom line is that in both cases, the body belongs entirely to the individual, and it's nobody's business what they choose to do with it, harmful or not.


  • #117
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    kneemos wrote: »
    So he knows not to do it.
    Who can be bothered with that many opinions from one person?

    Are you sure you're not stoned? :pac:

    I mean, you have the most posts in this thread so far

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/misc.php?do=whoposted&t=2057217872


  • #118
    kneemos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,609 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    My name is URL wrote: »
    Are you sure you're not stoned? :pac:

    I mean, you have the most posts in this thread so far

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/misc.php?do=whoposted&t=2057217872

    Fewest opinions.


  • #119
    sbsquarepants
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,810 ✭✭✭✭sbsquarepants


    kneemos wrote: »
    How dare they say something negative about Cannabis.
    Cannabis for President.

    Sure why not. We've a can-a-piss for taoiseach:D


  • #120
    richy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 502 ✭✭✭richy


    kneemos wrote: »
    Never read multiple replies.

    Multiple replies makes it easier for everyone to read. This is a discussion board as that other user said
    My name is URL wrote: »
    Why bother replying then? :rolleyes:
    kneemos wrote: »
    So he knows not to do it.
    Who can be bothered with that many opinions from one person?

    I also know that I shoudnt smoke cannabis. I'm just such a rebel


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  • #121
    richy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 502 ✭✭✭richy


    kneemos wrote: »
    Fewest opinions.

    He with the fewest opinions is wrong the least. Good strategy


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