Scaremongering about cannabis on Crimecall right now

richy · 27-05-2014 06:59AM

Demosthenese wrote: »

Love the way you simply skim over the fact that they were driving high as if it is no big deal, ah sure we all know he shouldn't have. If you are stupid enough to carry an illegal bag of drugs on you for a "Friend" then you should be prepared to take the consequences that come with it if you are also stupid enough to take a lift off a guy that is high. Jesus, talk about double bloody standards.

Cbd has been proven to help with depression, epilepsy and so many other illnesses without having the high if people don't want it - but that is kind of the point isn't it? Would anyone want it illegaly if it wasn't giving them a high?

Defending the drug is hard work eh.

My apologies I meant to mention why I said he got high. It was because he didn't even get charged with that. All they gave a **** about was convicting two " drug dealers" and looking good for their bosses. **** the publics safety. I think driving under the influence is wrong no matter what. His stupid decision should have been driving while under the influence not being a cannabis user.

No need for " " around friend because it was for a friend. If he was selling weed I would have had no problem saying that. I think there is nothing wrong with selling Weed to adults as long as you know the grower of the weed (which he did) and there's no links to crime gangs etc

I still think it should be available for recreational use but with a minimum regulated amount of cbd in the weed to counteract the effects of the thc somewhat. Cannabis is suppose to be a controlled drug. There is zero control of it till it's regulated. It's just controlled by mostly scumbags and gangsters right now.

Currently cbd cannot be used to treat any illnesses because it's still cannabis. In America it is a schedule one drug which means it has zero medicinal value and therefore carries the harshest penalties, we copy and pasted our laws from the uk via the us. Why can't we get with the times now and start changing.

I love the way you haven't made one actual relevant point other than to call my friend stupid. If ya can't out debate them, slag them is the motto of those less well informed and seemingly less intelligent people who will go with whatever bull**** they were taught growing up which just simply isn't true even when presented with the facts. If someone believes cannabis is evil, should never be legal bla bla bla but were never shown the facts that's not their fault. If someone is presented with the facts and still chooses to ignore them, I lose respect for them. Not that you give a **** what a druggie stoner scumbag loser pothead(please insert other stereotypes/insults of your choosing here) like myself thinks.

I'm currently in college studying government and it is something I will be putting my efforts into changing. I have read more studies/ articles on the science of cannabis and other drugs too than you've probably had hot dinners. You have antiquated views. In 50 years time people will look back al people like you and ask how could they have been so backward and stupid the same way we do when we look back at when condoms were illegal and even more recently homosexual sex. You're outdated and will be on the wrong side of history. 80k a year to lock someone up in jail for drugs. Absolute madness. Pissing away money more than an alcoholic does.250k people with drug convictions in ireland. 1 In 16 people. Waste of guards courts judges and prison officers time and our money. Just regulate, legalise and tax it already for gods sake.

Phoebas · 27-05-2014 07:04AM

My name is URL wrote: »

Why would I do that? I was watching the program. Do you change the channel whenever something you don't agree with comes on?

No way - I go straight to boards where my disagreement can be validated by internet strangers.

pauldla · 27-05-2014 07:41AM

@ Richy: that's the most wretched excuse for an 'I have an iPad' post I ever saw. Bet you don't even have an iPad!

stoneill · 27-05-2014 07:46AM

Growing cannabis ruins your house! Think of the house prices you long haired hippy types.

Paarthurnax · 27-05-2014 08:01AM

kneemos wrote: »

A psychiatric nurse once told me that half the people that came into the hospital was because of cannabis,quite surprised by it but there you go.

A good few patients abuse Cannabis and or alcohol but the biggest problem is Benzo abuse. Benzodiazapine bought by the tray on the black market.

AngryHippie · 27-05-2014 08:05AM

The effects on adolescent brains have been proven to be far worse than on those in older people, as they are still in the developmental stage, particularly of their emotional centers (which is why teenagers are moody angst ridden ant temperamental at the best of times)

Unfortunately the combination of gubberment agencies still fail to realise that criminalization actually makes it easier to get hold of as an adolescent, and more appealing, instead of the other way around.
Go team !

I'm over the argument, it will be decriminalised eventually regardless of the numptys and their strawmen and whataboutery, it will have both positive and negative outcomes, and in the meantime, people will still be locked up and have their lives ruined, not by drugs, but by the clowns making the rules.

We can go in circles forever discussing it, people that disapprove are still entitled to their opinions, they aren't entirely wrong, but they are definitely on the wrong side of the facts. Particularly given that they ultimately don't have the right to dictate what people can and can't do to their own bodies.

kneemos · 27-05-2014 08:16AM

AngryHippie wrote: »

The effects on adolescent brains have been proven to be far worse than on those in older people, as they are still in the developmental stage, particularly of their emotional centers (which is why teenagers are moody angst ridden ant temperamental at the best of times)

Unfortunately the combination of gubberment agencies still fail to realise that criminalization actually makes it easier to get hold of as an adolescent, and more appealing, instead of the other way around.
Go team !

I'm over the argument, it will be decriminalised eventually regardless of the numptys and their strawmen and whataboutery, it will have both positive and negative outcomes, and in the meantime, people will still be locked up and have their lives ruined, not by drugs, but by the clowns making the rules.

We can go in circles forever discussing it, people that disapprove are still entitled to their opinions, they aren't entirely wrong, but they are definitely on the wrong side of the facts. Particularly given that they ultimately don't have the right to dictate what people can and can't do to their own bodies.

If anybody's dictating it's the pro cannabis side.

pandaboy · 27-05-2014 08:17AM

Bang on Richy. I'm a supporter of cannabis and believe it should be legal, but under regulation. A lot of people are unaware of the CBD v THC argument, something which is becoming more and more important nowadays, especially with the strains coming out of hydro grows.

Anyone under 21 (especially male - brain development, etc) should not be smoking, end of. Being a psychoactive drug, it's obviously going to affect the individual on a mental level. Not having the urge to complete something will have mental set backs to the individual, which can lead to depression.

Started smoking when I was 22, best few years ever! However, motivation was a constant concern, that and social anxiety which was highly affected but again, I was smoking some high CBD content stuff.

It should be legalised! The majority of weed in Ireland is import weed from abroad. How much money is being made, who knows but it's certainly not coppers and shillings, I can tell you that. It's a cash crop, something that can be used for more than smoking - what if we were to legalise hemp in Ireland, look at the industry hemp alone would support!

It's not a case of elgalising a drug so I can get off my tits when I like. This drug needs to be researched properly (it's been researched to death already but an unbiased Irish Peer Reviewed Study), a lot of people are being affected by weed because of the high psychoactive content. not a dangerous drug in the sense that it must still be used responsibly, but when you have someone who's not as experienced at a young age and smoking a fat one with a high CBD content, then they're in for either the greatest trip ever or a pretty intense head ****, which on a consistent basis will affect the psychosis of the young individual.

Weed is not dangerous, it's extremely misunderstood. It's been researched so many times that we've got to the stage where we know the affects of Cannabis. The one thing a lot of people aren't aware of is the repetition of scare mongering from the media regarding this drug and the stereotype of individual that's connected to this drug. As of this moment I know 3 guards, 2 TDs, 1 councillor, 4 doctors, a librarian, just under a dozen of over 60's and as many average joes that use this drug on a regular basis.

I've had my ups and downs with cannabis, moreso ups. Better times on it than alcohol and have done some of the best things in my life while inspired with it. If you're against it, then fair enough but if it were legal and regulated properly, over alcohol, I believe we would have less people in A&E with glass in their faces. In fact, town would probably be a quieter place for it.

pandaboy · 27-05-2014 08:23AM

kneemos wrote: »

If anybody's dictating it's the pro cannabis side.

Fair point, especially moreso with the legalisation of cannabis in other countries.

However, the dictation is higher on the pro-cannabis side because the information is there and it backs up the pro-cannabis argument.

This is actually a great documentary on the debate, giving a measured scientific and quantified argument. It's probably one of the best documnetaries I've seen without the supra-pro-cannabis lobby pushing an agenda.

MRnotlob606 · 27-05-2014 08:31AM

Tis an awful drug with all these young people overdosing on it after injecting it.

AlanG · 27-05-2014 08:36AM

kikidelvin wrote: »

Two states in the U.S.and one country in europe have made it legal.How long before this is the norm.Think of how much money could be made.

Which country in Europe? It is tolerated in the Netherlands but not legal. Is there another country where it is actually legal?

the_syco · 27-05-2014 08:38AM

Alexander Gentle Watercolor wrote: »

It doesn't matter what you smoke, it's unhealthy, it doesn't take a genius to figure that one out :rolleyes:

Luckily you don' have to smoke it.

kikidelvin wrote: »

Two states in the U.S.and one country in europe have made it legal.How long before this is the norm.Think of how much money could be made.

How about you just look at hemp, not weed. Hemp can be used to make clothes and paper. It can be harvested 90 days after being planted.

It's true that hemp paper production costs is about five or six times higher than paper production costs, but this is largely due to the technology being from the 1930's, with only a very recent review in the last decade or so by limited amount of people in Canada.

Demosthenese wrote: »

Cbd has been proven to help with depression, epilepsy and so many other illnesses without having the high if people don't want it - but that is kind of the point isn't it? Would anyone want it illegaly if it wasn't giving them a high?

You need to eat a decent amount of CBD to have the desired effect. Due to the risk involved of growing weed, it's economically a bad idea to grow CBD weed.

AngryHippie wrote: »

The effects on adolescent brains have been proven to be far worse than on those in older people, as they are still in the developmental stage, particularly of their emotional centers (which is why teenagers are moody angst ridden ant temperamental at the best of times)

Correct. Smoking before the 18-21 age range can affect the short-term memory of teenagers. One main difference between weed and alcohol, is long term alcohol abuse can lead to lasting memory problems, but in most cases when you stop smoking weed, your memory problems stop.

=-=

I've never heard of a stoner beating their kids after a smoking session.

richy · 27-05-2014 09:02AM

kneemos wrote: »

If anybody's dictating it's the pro cannabis side.

I feel like this is really good sarcasm. Like for comment if it is, if it's not you must be a bit simple so enjoy your like anyway.

Paarthurnax wrote: »

A good few patients abuse Cannabis and or alcohol but the biggest problem is Benzo abuse. Benzodiazapine bought by the tray on the black market.

Prescription drugs kill more than all illegal drugs combined every year. I'm talking about benzos here and the like not aunty Peggy's heart medication

pauldla wrote: »

@ Richy: that's the most wretched excuse for an 'I have an iPad' post I ever saw. Bet you don't even have an iPad!

Funny comment but an ipad is cheaper than a laptop or computer. 300 for my IPAd mini.

richy · 27-05-2014 09:06AM

Just to add to the syco points. Cannabis does not kill brain cells. There have beens loads of false studies. This myth is based on a study where they pumped pure cannibis smoke into monkeys via a gas mask causing the monkeys to die. Any animal will die when deprived of oxygen.

27-05-2014 09:06AM

These debates never get anywhere, those that defend Cannabis will defend it till there dying day, and those that don't want it will defend there position the say way.

A big part of the problem is that for a those who are, balanced, secure in themselves, and contented, smoking a bit of weed is maybe not going to do them any harm, however for those who have a tendency towards depression, negative thinking and so on it is very harmful and unfortunately when they are young they do not tend to have the insight in to themselves,.. that tells them while smoking a bit of weed is alright for others it would be bad for themselves, plus some people want to medicate away the pain of living instead of dealing with life.

oppenheimer1 · 27-05-2014 09:21AM

MRnotlob606 wrote: »

Tis an awful drug with all these young people overdosing on it after injecting it.

You don't inject cannabis. You're mistaking it for heroin I think.

blackwhite · 27-05-2014 09:35AM

catallus wrote: »

............... but that the most common symptom was mood instability, particularly outbreaks of anger. .....................

Given the general reaction on here whenever anything even mildly negative about cannabis is mentioned in the media, I think there might be something to this point

richy · 27-05-2014 10:56AM

blackwhite wrote: »

Given the general reaction on here whenever anything even mildly negative about cannabis is mentioned in the media, I think there might be something to this point

I don't see anyone getting angry? What I do see is people not being able to make any points against legalisation and resorting to saying things in a mocking way. Also, the fact that people are getting convictions and possibly ruining future careers over an outdated law does make me angry but apparently it's funny for you.

Unless you have no family or friends you are bound to know someone who uses cannabis. How would you feel about them losing their job because they were caught with a small amount of cannabis?

It wasn't mildly negative. They bundled the comment about cannabis being stronger in with the report about a couple of people dying due or tainted ecstasy. Sensationalism. If you read my comment I said there were many negatives in using too much cannibis, the same with any drug like alcohol, caffeine, prescription pills etc. However the positives of legalisation clearly outweigh the negatives. Someone else said that these pro and anti cannibis threads are a waste of time, that people like you won't be convinced otherwise but many people lurk on boards and I'm hoping some of them may be less snarky and more informed or at least a willingness to get more informed.

blackwhite · 27-05-2014 10:59AM

richy wrote: »

I don't see anyone getting angry?

Other than saying that anyone who doesn't share your opinion should be sterilised? Sounds pretty angry to me

kneemos · 27-05-2014 11:02AM

blackwhite wrote: »

Other than saying that anyone who doesn't share your opinion should be sterilised? Sounds pretty angry to me

Called me a bit simple.

renegademaster · 27-05-2014 11:04AM

kikidelvin wrote: »

Two states in the U.S.and one country in europe have made it legal.How long before this is the norm.Think of how much money could be made.

its closer to 16 or 17 and when 19 states legalise it the federal government thave to automatically repeal the prohibition of the drug just like the prohibition of alcohol was repealed all those years back

folan · 27-05-2014 11:09AM

Scaremongering on Crimecall?

Sounds fishy to me. Crimecall wouldn't do such a thing.

RGDATA! · 27-05-2014 11:10AM

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

You could, just, you know....like...

Change the channel?

that's an appropriate response for when they're broadcasting Mrs. Brown's Boys or some such "entertainment" which isn't to everyone's taste.
When a "news" show is broadcasting propaganda and misinformation, saying "switch channels" is trite and misses the point.

Seedy Arling · 27-05-2014 11:11AM

It always gives me great pleasure to hear the shrill shrieks from the Ganja-bot crew seeking to make it legal to sit and watch cartoons whilst smoking a doobie and eating doritos.

We're behind you 110% lads! Anything to keep you out of trouble, just no operation of heavy machinery!

It's terrible that your basic human right to sit on a couch baked off your nut is being oppressed.

Fcuking fascists!

Godeatsboogers · 27-05-2014 11:12AM

People often debate about the effect drugs are having on society, i wonder what prohibition is doing to society, its definitely bred a special kind of evil person, so well done prohibition for that.

What i cant understand is the short sightedness of any government forcing prohibition. You only have to look to America to see how well they have done with the war on drugs despite throwing how many billions at the problem

You can say that tackling the druglords is fighting it head on, but i disagree, its largely the poorest, uneducated people who get swept up by the legal system whilst those running the show are 7 degrees of separation away.

How can a country be governed by letting one of the largest industries unregulated to be be profited upon by greedy men and ran by the lower rungs of society?

blackwhite · 27-05-2014 11:12AM

richy wrote: »

I don't see anyone getting angry? What I do see is people not being able to make any points against legalisation and resorting to saying things in a mocking way. Also, the fact that people are getting convictions and possibly ruining future careers over an outdated law does make me angry but apparently it's funny for you.

Unless you have no family or friends you are bound to know someone who uses cannabis. How would you feel about them losing their job because they were caught with a small amount of cannabis?

It wasn't mildly negative. They bundled the comment about cannabis being stronger in with the report about a couple of people dying due or tainted ecstasy. Sensationalism. If you read my comment I said there were many negatives in using too much cannibis, the same with any drug like alcohol, caffeine, prescription pills etc. However the positives of legalisation clearly outweigh the negatives. Someone else said that these pro and anti cannibis threads are a waste of time, that people like you won't be convinced otherwise but many people lurk on boards and I'm hoping some of them may be less snarky and more informed or at least a willingness to get more informed.

BTW - where have I said that I am pro or anti the legalisation of cannabis?

To be honest, it's an issue I don't particularly care about, but if pushed I'd generally be of the legalise, regulate and tax viewpoint. However I think that there's a million more pressing issues that I'd prefer our elected representatives to be focused on at the present time.

From reading the threads on here though, the pro-cannabis posters to have a tendancy to allow themselves get extremely worked up over the issue (like yourself advocating sterilisation of anyone on the anti side, or throwing personal abuse at people who post stuff you disagree with). A strange reaction from people who claim to use a drug that makes people more mellow

nelly17 · 27-05-2014 11:12AM

I once had a bad experience on Cannabis - Ate a whole Dominos 16 Inch Hot & Spicey, Carlic bread and Chicken tenders. Man was I fooked after that

Nino Brown · 27-05-2014 11:21AM

richy wrote: »

Unless you have no family or friends you are bound to know someone who uses cannabis. How would you feel about them losing their job because they were caught with a small amount of cannabis?

I think it should be legalized myself, but you make it sound like it's mandatory to smoke it. If you could lose your job because of it and still do it, then though sh!t if you get caught, you're an idiot.
I don't understand people feeling victimized when they're caught breaking the law, we all break some laws sometimes, but we all know the risks and the consequences.

Davarus Walrus · 27-05-2014 11:34AM

If potheads want to sit around all day getting stoned off their tits then let them off I say. Let them grow a few plants and get baked. It's when they start getting self-righteous about their choice of drug that things become tiresome. Trying to validate smoking the wacky like it's a magical elixir that cures everything. Usually supported by some piece of non peer-reviewed woo research written by a couple of stoners from the University of Rural Mountainous Mozambique.

4zn76tysfajdxp · 27-05-2014 11:35AM

Davarus Walrus wrote: »

If potheads want to sit around all day getting stoned off their tits then let them off I say. Let them grow a few plants and get baked. It's when they start getting self-righteous about their choice of drug that things become tiresome. Trying to validate smoking the wacky like it's a magical elixir that cures everything. Usually supported by some piece of non peer-reviewed woo research written by a couple of stoners from the University of Rural Mountainous Mozambique.

The kind of paper that comes with a recommended listening playlist of Grateful Dead and Pink Floyd songs.

Scaremongering about cannabis on Crimecall right now

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