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What have labour done to infuriate the public so much?

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  • #32
    Fr_Dougal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,167 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    Let's not forget:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHN18Rzhk_c


  • #33
    Tiddlypeeps
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,103 ✭✭✭Tiddlypeeps


    ryan101 wrote: »
    let FG away with taxing, stealthing and levying the ordinary working person to death, while the rich are protected time and time again

    Care to explain how the rich are "protected" with regard to taxation?

    Such an ignorant post that spouted time and time again. If we lived in the US then I would totally agree with you, but we do not. The rich in this country pay a crazy high tax rate. So do the middle classes, and I agree that's an issue, but that dose not mean that the rich are not picking up a tremendous portion of the tab.

    Our issue in this country isn't tax. The tax system is just fine. It's over spending on ****ty inefficient services that is the problem.


  • #34
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    When did Social welfare bring the country to it's Knees ? You mean all the people on it now that don't have a job since the start of the bailout ?
    Where did I say that? Welfare has to be paid for and the only source of credit the country has is the troika. The idea that SF or the likes would have told them to fook off is laughable.


  • #35
    Wicklowrider
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭Wicklowrider


    road_high wrote: »
    Fact. Tell them there's a free money tree to end austerity and watch the votes roll in.

    See, that is the kind of condescending self important comment that got FG and Lab kicked in the balls. As long as they keep treating people as being simple the longer it will be before they get thsoe votes..


  • #36
    Hotale.com
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,374 ✭✭✭Hotale.com


    Poll added. :)


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  • #37
    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    Custardpi wrote: »
    You do realise that most people currently unemployed (and those on reduced hours) were working when times were better & will work again when there's more jobs. The tracksuiters in the bookies all day are a small minority of those on JSA/JSB. There is simply a massive shortage of jobs in the country which only mass emigration has alleviated to any great extent. Things are getting a bit better but that's still no reason to punish people down on their luck. There quite simply aren't enough jobs to push people into, however much you slash welfare.

    i am fully aware of that. That is why I said "Career Unemployed", as in the lifers. I have spent many a time in a dole queue, you can spot them straight off.


  • #38
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,782 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Hotale.com wrote: »
    To be honest I haven't payed much attention to Irish politics in the past few years. Anyone care to enlighten me why they get so much flak compared to Fine Gael?

    Labour down 12% in their vote since the general election.
    Fine Gael down about 14%.

    Of course the fall in support for Labour has a bigger impact given they are starting from a smaller base.
    Labour campaigned that FG couldn't be trusted on their own in government.

    FG would be associated with people more wealthy than Labour voters and it is here that Labour let down their voters.
    Labour voters I suspect didn't want soundbites and were more concerned about jobs, making enough money rather than more liberal social issues.

    Enda would be in trouble for FGs terrible elections but I think many in FG would not want to go against him after what happened the last time.


  • #39
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,081 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Wicklowrider wrote: »
    See, that is the kind of condescending self important comment that got FG and Lab kicked in the balls. As long as they keep treating people as being simple the longer it will be before they get thsoe votes..

    The people voted for Sinn Fein. Clearly FG and Labour didn't treat them simple enough


  • #40
    ToddyDoody
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,419 ✭✭✭ToddyDoody


    What I see, as I sit on my a*se, is a left (chicken) wing party with no chicken... or a fine Gael lap dog somewhat.

    So maybe the hard left can fight better for services and oppose the various cuts. Enter Sinn Fein.

    It seems the country would prefer to sacrifice political stability to reduce the austerity, as I don't think Sinn Fein will be easy to work with on local government, given the budget constraints.

    I don't see it working, I believe Sinn Fein has a history of councillors deflecting. Then again, let's see how they do, they are fairly untried.


  • #41
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    i am fully aware of that. That is why I said "Career Unemployed", as in the lifers. I have spent many a time in a dole queue, you can spot them straight off.

    Yes yes you can and when you saved what 50 million putting a stop to that were will you save more in the welfare budget ? Lots of people that were on the dole during the boom are not on it now it moves and changes there is no such thing as 100% employment. Pensions are the biggest part of the welfare budget. But hey I’m guessing getting a few lifers off the dole makes people feel better?


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  • #42
    The One Who Knocks
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,301 ✭✭✭The One Who Knocks


    Muise... wrote: »
    This is why the Greens got decimated last time, yet FF are on the upward swing.

    Oh I don't care for politics. I realised the fact that my one single vote is highly unlikely to be a deciding factor in the grand scheme of things.

    Along with that, I think there are very few who have educated themselves enough on the subject in order to make informed decisions.

    If I did vote, I would feel somewhat responsible for the wrongdoings of my party in government should they be elected. I prefer not to vote and not to complain. The way I see it, the country's likely to be in similar state no matter who's in government.

    To really make a difference, one would have to either persuade several others to vote for a party or else run for local government themselves.

    So while your vote may not matter, the influence you have on others does.
    Even this post is important. If 100 people read this and decide not to vote next time, then it's a problem and could really be a deciding factor in an election.

    The people who tell you to vote, who say your vote matters, they're the ones with the real vote.


  • #43
    Custardpi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭Custardpi


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    i am fully aware of that. That is why I said "Career Unemployed", as in the lifers. I have spent many a time in a dole queue, you can spot them straight off.

    Fair enough, but even so I'm not sure simply cutting welfare for them is going to do any good, however much initial satisfaction it might give you. Do you really think that cutting Anto & Johnsers dole or Jacinta's "mickey money" is going to instantly make them buck up & become tech entrepreneurs? Action is certainly needed for those people but cutting welfare is an extremely blunt instrument, which may end up doing more harm than good.


  • #44
    breadmonster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 221 ✭✭breadmonster


    Any person in a position of power who takes money away from disabled kids doesn't deserve to be in power.


  • #45
    ryan101
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭ryan101


    The Backwards Man wrote: »
    Purple want governments to give them what they want, not what they need.

    The trouble with democracy is people.

    Your right, the people need lies and spin instead, and the ordinary people need austerity instead of the wealthy and the connected.


  • #46
    NZ_2014
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 306 ✭✭NZ_2014


    Feckin JobBridge Labour are responsible for - replacing what would have been properly paid jobs with free labour for businesses.

    Vote Labour for free labour for business`s


  • #47
    Pang
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭Pang


    Ruairi Quinn was the reason for me giving absolutely nothing to any Labour candidate. He has tried desperately to destroy education in this country and make a name for himself.


  • #48
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 57,077 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Pang wrote: »
    Ruairi Quinn was the reason for me giving absolutely nothing to any Labour candidate. He has tried desperately to destroy education in this country and make a name for himself.

    Not to mention the signed declaration he agreed with the students about college fees.


  • #49
    ryan101
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭ryan101


    NZ_2014 wrote: »
    Feckin JobBridge Labour are responsible for - replacing what would have been properly paid jobs with free labour for businesses.

    Vote Labour for free labour for business`s

    Job bridge will keep a generation of workers in permanent poverty, while making the rich even richer.


  • #50
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ryan101 wrote: »
    Job bridge will keep a generation of workers in permanent poverty, while making the rich even richer.

    Job bridge is ****e, yes. But a 'generation' is pure exaggeration , Job Bridge is not a large scheme in the context of the country as a whole.


  • #51
    ryan101
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭ryan101


    AdamD wrote: »
    Job bridge is ****e, yes. But a 'generation' is pure exaggeration , Job Bridge is not a large scheme in the context of the country as a whole.

    It's replacing all lower level jobs. Many jobs don't need extensive training.
    So, it's very simple, you just keep employing free interns on 9 month contracts.


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  • #52
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ryan101 wrote: »
    It's replacing all lower level jobs. In fact they are even using it to provide teachers now.
    According to the website there are 6928 on internships with a further 2543 available. Don't get me wrong its a joke but 10,000, out of a total of 1,870,000 employed in the country (CSO) is barely a drop in the ocean, far from what its made out to be on boards.


  • #53
    gizmo555
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    Pang wrote: »
    Ruairi Quinn was the reason for me giving absolutely nothing to any Labour candidate. He has tried desperately to destroy education in this country and make a name for himself.

    And he was on the radio today pontificating how Labour has no blood on its hands, unlike Sinn Féin. Conveniently forgetting about how the Official IRA's political wing Official Sinn Féin / Sinn Féin The Workers Party / The Workers Party / Democratic Left conducted its final rebranding by taking over Labour and destroying it.


  • #54
    thehouses
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 446 ✭✭thehouses


    Joan Burton - can't answer a simple question. Ruairi Quinn - concerned purely with secularism and atheism above everything else.


  • #55
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,564 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Wicklowrider wrote: »
    See, that is the kind of condescending self important comment that got FG and Lab kicked in the balls. As long as they keep treating people as being simple the longer it will be before they get thsoe votes..

    No, this is reality. We are/stone broke borrowing billions. If the people think voting in the anti-brigade they are clearly deluding themelves. Many just don't want to hear the horrible truth or face up the state of public finances. This is the reason they got a drubbing, the public want easy answers.


  • #56
    The Th!ng
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 464 ✭✭The Th!ng


    The men are nearly allways to be seen wearing red ties - as if that somewhow makes them more Labour than if they wore pink bow ties.


  • #57
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 57,077 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    road_high wrote: »
    No, this is reality. We are/stone broke borrowing billions. If the people think voting in the anti-brigade they are clearly deluding themelves. Many just don't want to hear the horrible truth or face up the state of public finances. This is the reason they got a drubbing, the public want easy answers.

    The public wanted truth and they got lies.
    They wanted the guilty punished and they didn't get justice.
    The got lumped with all the pain EVEN after their leader went on T.V. and told them it was not their fault.
    Many of them also felt that their leaders sneered at them and promised to set the Revenue on them if they didn't pay.
    The people couldn't really get revenge BUT they could vote revenge.


  • #58
    SaveOurLyric
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,138 ✭✭✭SaveOurLyric


    Nothing.

    The simple minded voters are just lashing out irrationally. They wanted someone to kick, saw red, and kicked.


  • #59
    j banks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21 ✭j banks


    Anti austerity in a bankrupt country get real


  • #60
    tomwaterford
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    SaveOurLyric wrote: »
    Nothing.

    The simple minded voters are just lashing out irrationally. They wanted someone to kick, saw red, and kicked.

    yes...it has nothing to do with a litany of broken promises and sneering and laughing at people when they complain about said promises??

    how is it complety irrational to hold politians to account when they don't keep there promises??:confused::confused:


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  • #61
    AlwaysAnyTime
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 179 ✭✭AlwaysAnyTime


    AdamD wrote: »
    According to the website there are 6928 on internships with a further 2543 available. Don't get me wrong its a joke but 10,000, out of a total of 1,870,000 employed in the country (CSO) is barely a drop in the ocean, far from what its made out to be on boards.

    Agreed, it's the start of a worrying trend though. Already we have the internship period extended so people can do 2 (18 months) instead of 1 (9 months) up from the original 6 month placement. I believe the actual number of internships has increased dramatically also. When this started as "work placement programme" in 2009, there were a total of 2,000 places (1,000 for graduates 1,000 for non-graduates) (Source: http://www.jobsguideireland.com/fas-work-placement-programme-for-unemployed-graduates/ Now we are at 10,000. An increase of 500% in 5 years.

    Labour were hailing this programme for it's success, and would never face up to the widespread abuse of it that's currently going on. Do you think they would have dropped the internship period back to 1 placement of 6 months? No. Do you think they would reduce the number from 10,000 down to say 5,000? No. They have proved they are only interested in increasing the number of interns, increasing the length of internship, etc.

    Good riddance, hopefully they go the way of progressive democrats and disappear off the face of earth.


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