Senior Hurling Championship 2014

Roquentin · 26-05-2014 03:49PM

Vanolder wrote: »

None of that makes sense---- Limerick and Cork didn't play in the league last year. It was a Munster final, Limerick had just physically blown Tipp off the pitch in the semi final- And you are telling me Cork underestimated them?? :rolleyes:

My bad. I read an earlier post.

Ah well tipp werent exactly firing on all cylinders last season.

I can guarantee cork underestimated limerick. Limerick are not as good hurlers as cork, period. So limerick come out fired up and blow them away. Then clare who cork had already beaten, are up for limerick and blow them away.

Its the same reason how galway could hammer kilkenny in leinster. Kilkenny werent up for it.

Roquentin · 26-05-2014 03:50PM

IrishAlice wrote: »

By all accounts Tommy was on fire in the challenge match against Clare a couple of weeks ago.

His form does always seem to be that he comes good by championship season. He's definitely not as good as he was a few years ago but I think he could potentially play a pivotal role this year.

I agree. If tommy walsh is starting, he means business as do kilkenny.

Vanolder · 26-05-2014 04:00PM

Roquentin wrote: »

My bad. I read an earlier post.

Ah well tipp werent exactly firing on all cylinders last season.

I can guarantee cork underestimated limerick. Limerick are not as good hurlers as cork, period. So limerick come out fired up and blow them away. Then clare who cork had already beaten, are up for limerick and blow them away.

Its the same reason how galway could hammer kilkenny in leinster. Kilkenny werent up for it.

If JBM let his players go into a Munster Final underestimating their opponents he should have been given the bullet there and then... but I don't think for a second he or the players underestimated Limerick, you're just talking tripe. Cork haven't won munster for 8 years, who are they to be underestimating anyone?

savannahkat · 26-05-2014 04:04PM

Vanolder wrote: »

If JBM let his players go into a Munster Final underestimating their opponents he should have been given the bullet there and then... but I don't think for a second he or the players underestimated Limerick, you're just talking tripe. Cork haven't won munster for 8 years, who are they to be underestimating anyone?

:eek:

JeffKenna · 26-05-2014 04:06PM

Vanolder wrote: »

If JBM let his players go into a Munster Final underestimating their opponents he should have been given the bullet there and then... but I don't think for a second he or the players underestimated Limerick, you're just talking tripe. Cork haven't won munster for 8 years, who are they to be underestimating anyone?

It was nothing to do with underestimating limerick...two important factors swung that match:
1. It was in limericks home ground
2. The sending off

MfMan · 26-05-2014 04:19PM

Roquentin wrote: »

not fired up more than likely. They will pull away towards the end id say, but wont win comfortably

No exactly sure what you're basing this on, last year's performances perhaps? Mebbe you're right, but as I posted much earlier, Galway are at least much better this year than '13. Then again, a good, solid test v Laois shuold be just the tonic...

Roquentin · 26-05-2014 04:22PM

Vanolder wrote: »

If JBM let his players go into a Munster Final underestimating their opponents he should have been given the bullet there and then... but I don't think for a second he or the players underestimated Limerick, you're just talking tripe. Cork haven't won munster for 8 years, who are they to be underestimating anyone?

its psychology. They have beaten limerick 43 times or whatever in championship. Given the confidence of cork, they are expecting to beat them. They have probably gone in over confident after hammering clare.

If cork played limerick five times in this years championship, given the two teams i would expect cork to win certainly three times and maybe four.

As well, if there was no back door in the championship it would be a different matter. The fact that you can lose and get a second chance takes the intensity out of the spectacle, a little not too much.

In the semi against limerick, clare upped their game. When something is on the line, the intensity went up.

The provincial titles mean nothing to cork and kilkenny because they can lose and still get through. They are after the all irelands. They are thinking of all irelands at the start of the season, not munster or leinster. Its like the triple crown in rugby, if you havent won one in a while, its nice, but to the teams with talent, its of little consolation.

JBM as well didnt go out and say to his players, lets lose this match. But you have to look at it from an individual point of view. The cork players are probably themselves expecting to win and this confidence causes them to take their foot off the gas. They were different against kilkenny and dublin.

Roquentin · 26-05-2014 04:25PM

MfMan wrote: »

No exactly sure what you're basing this on, last year's performances perhaps? Mebbe you're right, but as I posted much earlier, Galway are at least much better this year than '13. Then again, a good, solid test v Laois shuold be just the tonic...

Two years ago they struggled against the poorer teams and blew kilkenny away. I cant see cunningham psyching them up for this match when they have kilkenny afterwards.

I could be wrong, but id say they wont devour laois like we expect. still win by 10, 12 points.

Roquentin · 26-05-2014 04:26PM

JeffKenna wrote: »

It was nothing to do with underestimating limerick...two important factors swung that match:
1. It was in limericks home ground
2. The sending off

I agree, but my point is, cork at their best and limerick at their best and only cork would win.

IrishAlice · 26-05-2014 04:29PM

Vanolder wrote: »

If JBM let his players go into a Munster Final underestimating their opponents he should have been given the bullet there and then... but I don't think for a second he or the players underestimated Limerick, you're just talking tripe. Cork haven't won munster for 8 years, who are they to be underestimating anyone?

I didn't realise it was such a long time since Cork won Munster.

They've had a lot of rebuilding to do over the last few years and have really come on in leaps and bounds since JBM came back on board.

Can't see them winning the AI this year but they'll be there or thereabouts.

If they win against Waterford on the 8th I'd be very surprised to see them getting past Clare but then again having a point to prove after last year might be the drive they need.

glued · 26-05-2014 04:52PM

Tommy Walsh won't be starting for Kilkenny this year never mind play a pivotal role.

Grats · 26-05-2014 05:26PM

Will Lar Corbett be back with Tipp this year?

KevIRL · 26-05-2014 05:47PM

Grats wrote: »

Will Lar Corbett be back with Tipp this year?

He played in a recent challenge behind closed doors v Waterford anyway

Vanolder · 26-05-2014 05:55PM

Roquentin wrote: »

its psychology. They have beaten limerick 43 times or whatever in championship. Given the confidence of cork, they are expecting to beat them. They have probably gone in over confident after hammering clare.

If cork played limerick five times in this years championship, given the two teams i would expect cork to win certainly three times and maybe four.

As well, if there was no back door in the championship it would be a different matter. The fact that you can lose and get a second chance takes the intensity out of the spectacle, a little not too much.

In the semi against limerick, clare upped their game. When something is on the line, the intensity went up.

The provincial titles mean nothing to cork and kilkenny because they can lose and still get through. They are after the all irelands. They are thinking of all irelands at the start of the season, not munster or leinster. Its like the triple crown in rugby, if you havent won one in a while, its nice, but to the teams with talent, its of little consolation.

JBM as well didnt go out and say to his players, lets lose this match. But you have to look at it from an individual point of view. The cork players are probably themselves expecting to win and this confidence causes them to take their foot off the gas. They were different against kilkenny and dublin.

Would you ever go way ffs. You're either on the wind up here or you are just clueless.... That bunch of Cork players haven't won anything- Why would they be expecting to beat anyone? Because they won x amount of Munster championships in the past this current bunch have no ambition to win one or/and are over confident so it doesn't really matter if they don't win one? What kind of nonesense is that? And, the gap between the top teams and the pack has well and truely closed in recent years, no one will 'want' the back door as you could face 2 big tests just to get to a semi final- Look at KK last year, beat Tipp and then get Cork for their reward-- No thanks. It's an especially dangerous route when you are over confident and expect to beat everyone....

Roquentin · 26-05-2014 06:09PM

Vanolder wrote: »

Would you ever go way ffs. You're either on the wind up here or you are just clueless.... That bunch of Cork players haven't won anything- Why would they be expecting to beat anyone? Because they won x amount of Munster championships in the past this current bunch have no ambition to win one or/and are over confident so it doesn't really matter if they don't win one? What kind of nonesense is that? And, the gap between the top teams and the pack has well and truely closed in recent years, no one will 'want' the back door as you could face 2 big tests just to get to a semi final- Look at KK last year, beat Tipp and then get Cork for their reward-- No thanks. It's an especially dangerous route when you are over confident and expect to beat everyone....

Calm down sir. Just because i disagree with you doesnt make me wrong.

My point is that because there isnt as much at stake in munster and leinster because you can still go through, the intensity isnt as great and psychologically that is a factor. If cork had to win every match you would see a different cork. Yes teams would be wanting to make their lives easier, but because there is not as much at stake as their used to be, that must be factored in when considering how teams approach the provincial ties. That you can lose and still progress does have an influence.

The gap hasnt closed. You cant take one season on merit. Galway closed the "gap" in 2012 and then fell apart last year. Kilkenny would be for me the team to beat. They have better hurlers and are the best trained.

IrishAlice · 26-05-2014 06:29PM

glued wrote: »

Tommy Walsh won't be starting for Kilkenny this year never mind play a pivotal role.

We'll see

Roquentin · 26-05-2014 06:34PM

IrishAlice wrote: »

We'll see

I hope tommy walsh is playing, not for the sake of playing, but on merit, in that he is still able to play at his best.

Grats · 26-05-2014 06:57PM

glued wrote: »

Tommy Walsh won't be starting for Kilkenny this year never mind play a pivotal role.

Tommy is being judged by the consistent standards he has set over the years. Some counties are banking on the return of players who wouldn't compare to Tommy although he's in the twilight of his career. It just shows what has come to be expected from a rare breed of player.

Roquentin · 26-05-2014 08:19PM

Grats wrote: »

Tommy is being judged by the consistent standards he has set over the years. Some counties are banking on the return of players who wouldn't compare to Tommy although he's in the twilight of his career. It just shows what has come to be expected from a rare breed of player.

Yea id say hed walk onto any other county team. It shows the class of players kilkenny have.

savannahkat · 26-05-2014 08:31PM

Center Back, Full forward and perhaps a midfielder are the only positions up for grabs. If Tommy does make it then Padraigh will be midfield. It is a toss up between Brian and Jackie for center back. It is a toss up between Jackie and Kennedy for corner back. With no Henry or Ritchie Power Mark Kelly should start at full forward. It is up to him to keep the jersey.
At this stage we can be fairly sure it will be along these lines
Eoin Murphy
Paul Murphy, JJ, Jackie/Kennedy,
Tommy/Padraigh Walsh Jackie/Brian Cillian B,
Mick Fennelly Padraigh Walsh if Tommy is on and if not Lester Ryan.
TJ, Colin Walter
R Hogan Kelly Larkin

Grats · 26-05-2014 11:01PM

What do posters think of Nash's performance yesterday?

Orizio · 27-05-2014 08:07AM

Roquentin wrote: »

Yea id say hed walk onto any other county team. It shows the class of players kilkenny have.

He wouldn't walk on to the Clare team for a start, or Dublin and Waterford at this stage. All three have superior half-backs. Best years are far behind him.

Grats · 27-05-2014 09:04AM

Orizio wrote: »

He wouldn't walk on to the Clare team for a start, or Dublin and Waterford at this stage. All three have superior half-backs. Best years are far behind him.

Very true although he could have made a difference on Sun had Waterford been able to bring him on when Horgan went out to half forward. Waterford had already dealt admirably with the Cork half forwards with Lehane getting a point, MCCarthy and Captain Cronin been taken off after dismal displays - But they ran out of legs in the last twenty minutes and didn't have anybody to quieten Horgan.

robbiezero · 27-05-2014 09:14AM

Grats wrote: »

Very true although he could have made a difference on Sun had Waterford been able to bring him on when Horgan went out to half forward. Waterford had already dealt admirably with the Cork half forwards with Lehane getting a point, MCCarthy and Captain Cronin been taken off after dismal displays - But they ran out of legs in the last twenty minutes and didn't have anybody to quieten Horgan.

Doubt it. Tommy was never really a man marker, but in his prime he cleaned up so much ball across the back line, that his man had to mark him.

IrishAlice · 27-05-2014 09:21AM

robbiezero wrote: »

Doubt it. Tommy was never really a man marker, but in his prime he cleaned up so much ball across the back line, that his man had to mark him.

That's why I think Tommy could play a pivotal role if he gets the hunger and the fitness back.

He's a great player for mopping up loose ball and I think Kilkenny need that in the back line.

robbiezero · 27-05-2014 09:22AM

IrishAlice wrote: »

That's why I think Tommy could play a pivotal role if he gets the hunger and the fitness back.

He's a great player for mopping up loose ball and I think Kilkenny need that in the back line.

Not sure he has the legs to do that anymore and also to mark a man. Sutcliffe of Dublin has handed him some serious roastings over the last few years

IrishAlice · 27-05-2014 09:25AM

Grats wrote: »

What do posters think of Nash's performance yesterday?

Only got to see the highlights on the Sunday Game but definitely didn't think he could have done anything to stop that goal. It was a cracker.

IrishAlice · 27-05-2014 09:31AM

robbiezero wrote: »

Not sure he has the legs to do that anymore and also to mark a man. Sutcliffe of Dublin has handed him some serious roastings over the last few years

Yea Sutcliffe has given him a few lessons alright. He might not have the legs that he did a few years ago but he's an intelligent player which I think could be useful.

From everything I'm hearing from Kilkenny it sounds like Tommy is on form this year. I read an interview with him recently too and I think seeing Padraig doing so well is putting the fire in his belly to get back on the team.

Roquentin · 27-05-2014 10:45AM

Orizio wrote: »

He wouldn't walk on to the Clare team for a start, or Dublin and Waterford at this stage. All three have superior half-backs. Best years are far behind him.

He would get on those three back lines.

nice_guy80 · 27-05-2014 11:53AM

This round robin format is a joke. And it is ridiculous to treat counties differently.

What other counties would allow it?
Would Tipperary, Clare, Cork and Waterford play a round robin over 4 weeks? Not a hope in hell.

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