Manchester United Superthread 2014 mod warning #8081

TheMilkyPirate · 24-05-2014 10:57AM

The biggest tournament in world football begins in 3 weeks I think it's a bit premature to be getting worried about deals now. If we're still farting about with no announced deals 2 weeks after the world cup is over id be a bit more concerned.

Who cares what other clubs are doing? As someone already pointed out no other big clubs in the premier league have made a move on anyone yet.

adox · 24-05-2014 11:00AM

redbaron_99 wrote: »

Fabregas would probably by worth the same as Mata. 35M would be a fair price I would say. 60M and we're having our pants pulled down.

The issue most fans have is quite simple: There is probably a set budget for transfers. Let's say 120M. If we spend 60M on Fab, that's half the budget gone on one player. A player who isn't worth that much.
We're then left with 60M to fill the roles of left back, one or two centre backs and probably a young midfield prospect. It essentially means we have to go for lesser players in those positions than we would like.

That's my take on it.

Yeah agree with the above, although I wouldn't be disappointed if Utd signed Fabregas for £40 million.

No one is really concerned on what is spent on a player, only how it effects Utds overall transfer policy. Utd need a few players this summer. Money isn't infinite.

If I thought Utd needed one midfielder to really complete the squad then I'd say pay whatever it takes to get that player. (Within reason).

adox · 24-05-2014 11:03AM

TheMilkyPirate wrote: »

The biggest tournament in world football begins in 3 weeks I think it's a bit premature to be getting worried about deals now. If we're still farting about with no announced deals 2 weeks after the world cup is over id be a bit more concerned.

Who cares what other clubs are doing? As someone already pointed out no other big clubs in the premier league have made a move on anyone yet.

To be honest I'm on the fence at the moment but last summer is looming large in the back of my mind.

It's easy to see why people are concerned. All you said above was said last summer too(probably by myself as well) and look how that turned out.

It makes total sense to get players signed before the World Cup starts and none to wait until the tournament is over. If Utd haven't signed anyone before it kicks off I will be disgusted.

Rayne Wooney · 24-05-2014 11:07AM

If it meant Fabregas coming the other way, we would be a lot stronger because Kagawa is near enough the same level as a number 10 and we can buy natural wingers to replace him

But then I think of his little face and never want him to leave

Lord TSC · 24-05-2014 11:08AM

Al Capwned wrote: »

Saw this on boards....

Source-ception

WesternZulu · 24-05-2014 11:17AM

Just curious on United fans perception of the Fabregas rumors.

If Barca do sell him, do you think that he will end up at United above Arsenal?

Considering Arsenal have a buy back clause, champions league football, and the fact that he seems to still have a lot of time for the club, coupled with the fact that his child is in London.

It's just I hear these rumors of United and Fabregas when it's far from clear cut that if he was to leave that they would be the only English club in the running to sign him.

redbaron_99 · 24-05-2014 11:20AM

WesternZulu wrote: »

Just curious on United fans perception of the Fabregas rumors.

If Barca do sell him, do you think that he will end up at United above Arsenal?

If he's leaving Barca for England, I'd say Arsenal is the likeliest outcome.

The_Kew_Tour · 24-05-2014 11:25AM

Yes, Fabregas to Arsenal is best bet were he to leave. From Cesc point of view I totally understand but it be bad for United. Quality player.

irishfeen · 24-05-2014 11:28AM

Telegraph in England reporting "Arsenal will not make signing Barcelona's Cesc Fabregas a priority in the transfer window"

..I just have a feeling that we will sign Cesc - I'll definitely be wrong but there you go.

Zico · 24-05-2014 11:30AM

I have zero confidence in Ed Woodward and that's what worrying me most this summer. It's like when Garry Cook was at City, you can have all the money in the world but if your chief negotiator doesn't know what he's doing you're not going to get what you need or you'll pay a stupid price for it.

upstairs for coffee · 24-05-2014 11:31AM

Fabregas is past it and at 35 million that is a big rip off.

Crimson King · 24-05-2014 11:32AM

Isn't it a case arsenal have the buy back set at £25m, so it's not in barca's favour to sell to them when they could get a minimum £10m more for him elsewhere

Quandary · 24-05-2014 11:33AM

Its hard to see Fabregas ever playing for anyone else in England except for Arsenal while Wenger is still at the helm.

The only things we could offer him that Arsenal cannot or would not might be

- higher wages
- almost guaranteed football in his preferred cm position considering how inept his competition would be.

I can't really think of anything else we could use to entice him without resorting to our history of incredible success and trophy winning potential (excluding the embarrassment that was this season of course

)

Al Capwned · 24-05-2014 11:49AM

Fabregas is not past it by any stretch of the imagination. He's only 27 years old.

tallaghtmick · 24-05-2014 11:50AM

Can we have him please

Manutd_4life · 24-05-2014 11:58AM

tallaghtmick wrote: »

Can we have him please

Don't judge a player based on youtube montages. It can make the most sh*tiest of players look good,(not saying he's crap, he is bloody amazing) but using youtube to determine a player's quality is the wrong way to go

The_Kew_Tour · 24-05-2014 11:58AM

We could have Juan Gea Yanka starting next season.

Sign him up!!!

irishfeen · 24-05-2014 11:59AM

Al Capwned wrote: »

Fabregas is not past it by any stretch of the imagination. He's only 27 years old.

Ha I was going to post exactly that but I didn't have the heart to argue with such a silly statement...

tallaghtmick · 24-05-2014 11:59AM

Manutd_4life wrote: »

Don't judge a player based on youtube montages. It can make the most sh*tiest of players look good,(not saying he's crap, he is bloody amazing) but using youtube to determine a player's quality is the wrong way to go

I know he's good I just wanted to post a vid of him

Deiseboy01 · 24-05-2014 12:00PM

Larry Wildman wrote: »

Maybe we'd actually sign players if I was rather than lowballing and irritating clubs / players.

We're now in a world where Cardiff got more tv money last season than United got for the 2012/2013 title winning season.

We have money and no Champions League football.

I disagree and believe that Cesc is worth £60m TO US.

When a player like that who we absolutely need and want becomes available, we need to make decisively rather than adopt the Woodward Summer 2013 approach of offering less than the player's perceived value.

He is not worth 60m pounds sterling to anyone. Get a fcukin grip.

Roma got Strootman for mid teens, Vidal less again. Pogba for sweet FA. Matic went for mid twenties.

At the upper level Modric, Yaya, Martinez etc didn't cost that type of money. You are on to make him they most expensive centre mid player of all time. Cesc Fabregas? Really?!

sigmundv · 24-05-2014 12:15PM

Delboy5 wrote: »

Great Andy Mitten article on transfer silly season, English half way down

http://www.united.no/andy-mitten/ryktehysteriet/

A very good article. I was about to post a link to it. I would like to quote a couple of paragraphs:

The manner in which United conduct transfers has changed. Under Gill and Ferguson, the club tried to conduct transfers in secret – they even rewarded clubs they worked with if they didn’t leak stories. Javier Hernandez’s former club were awarded a friendly on account of saying nothing about his transfer. Had they done so, they could have driven up the price of their player.

This much is evident from the two transfer windows since Woodward took over. Why the strategy has changed I don't know.

Some fans want to believe anything too. When I joked in an Ed Woodward interview that United were going to sign Arturo Vidal from Juventus last January – and made clear it was a joke – some people still believed it and passed it on. Maybe it’s because they wanted to believe it. Can I state quite clearly that I have no evidence whatsoever linking Vidal with United.

This is why transfer speculation takes place in the first place: people want to believe anything, however unlikely it is.

redbaron_99 · 24-05-2014 12:15PM

Deiseboy01 wrote: »

He is not worth 60m pounds sterling to anyone. Get a fcukin grip.

Roma got Strootman for mid teens, Vidal less again. Pogba for sweet FA. Matic went for mid twenties.

At the upper level Modric, Yaya, Martinez etc didn't cost that type of money. You are on to make him they most expensive centre mid player of all time. Cesc Fabregas? Really?!

Is he that young?? :pac:

Thank you, I'm here all week.

Al Capwned · 24-05-2014 12:16PM

Kew - Is Marchisio on your list? Would love him.

Actually, i wonder if we go to Conte with a blank cheque and ask him for one of him, Vidal or Pogba would we be laughed back to the airport?? Sure he doesn't need three of them.....

redbaron_99 · 24-05-2014 12:23PM

Al Capwned wrote: »

Kew - Is Marchisio on your list? Would love him.

Actually, i wonder if we go to Conte with a blank cheque and ask him for one of him, Vidal or Pogba would we be laughed back to the airport?? Sure he doesn't need three of them.....

Someone get on the blower to him. "Listen, you conte, you don't need three of them! Give us one! You know it makes sense. We'll even throw in a winger. We've loads of them!"

KH25 · 24-05-2014 12:28PM

This thread sometimes....Robben a more effective version of Valencia?! Seriously? I hate Robben and his very punchable face but the man is an excellent footballer and nowhere as limited as Valencia.

tupac_healy · 24-05-2014 12:29PM

redbaron_99 wrote: »

Someone get on the blower to him. "Listen, you conte, you don't need three of them! Give us one! You know it makes sense. We'll even throw in a winger. We've loads of them!"

Pity none of those wingers are any good! Used to be!!!!!

redbaron_99 · 24-05-2014 12:45PM

tupac_healy wrote: »

Pity none of those wingers are any good! Used to be!!!!!

I suppose this also raises a point about the wingers at the club. VG employs a 4-3-3 system, which is obviously different to the 4-4-2 we've been used to. Our numerous wingers were brought in to fit into the old system, because it required effective wide players.

A 4-3-3 requires players of a different type. Does it makes players like Valencia, Zaha and Young redundant?

When you think about it, the set up at the back will need to be slightly altered, with the full backs required to play a more significant role in attacks.

For the front three we are very well stocked, and don't require further signings. (RVP, Rooney, Welbeck, Chico, Januzaj, Nani, Wilson, Lingard.)

The set up of the middle three is not so clear. Is it going to be two holding players, with one attacking? Three all-rounders?

Or could it be one holding player with two forward minded players? If it is, then could we be seeing something like this next season:

DDG

Rafeal

Smalling

Evans

LB/Shaw

Fellaini

Mata

Kagawa

----Januzaj

Rooney----

RVP

(you know what, for all the doom and gloom, that looks like a fcuking great team to me)

Alternative line-up

Amos

Varela

Jones

Keane

Evra

Carrick

Pearson

Cleverly

----Nani

Welbeck

Wislon

Food for thought.

bucketybuck · 24-05-2014 12:47PM

redbaron_99 wrote: »

A 4-3-3 requires players of a different type. Does it makes players like Valencia, Zaha and Young redundant?

All a moot point. Those players are redundant anyway, based solely on their performance levels.

redbaron_99 · 24-05-2014 12:59PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

All a moot point. Those players are redundant anyway, based solely on their performance levels.

But they still remain at the club, and have been getting a fair amount of game time. Which is part of my point.

MD1990 · 24-05-2014 01:04PM

tallaghtmick wrote: »

Can we have him please

Doesn't want to move to Man Utd.

Konoplyanka: "I don't want to rush things but if Man United made an offer to me, I'd rather stay at Dnipro and play in Europe."

He wants to join Liverpool or stay at Dnipro.

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