Smoking near kids in beer garden

poundapunnet · 19-05-2014 07:45PM

WilyCoyote wrote: »

over the years:

Have seen a lot of medical truisms stood on their head:

Ah jaysis. I doubt the medical truism of 'inhaling poisonous smoke deep into your lungs several times a day, every day, is one of the most damaging things you can do to your health' is going to be overturned.

Hitchens · 19-05-2014 08:29PM

diveout wrote: »

Kids should not be in beer gardens.

........or adult goats either!

WilyCoyote · 19-05-2014 09:14PM

Hitchens wrote: »

........or adult goats either!

Christopher, don't derail this thread. Please.

Hitchens · 19-05-2014 09:58PM

WilyCoyote wrote: »

Christopher, don't derail this thread. Please.

♫ I beg your pardon, I never promised you a beer garden ♫

WilyCoyote · 20-05-2014 01:44AM

Hitchens wrote: »

♫ I beg your pardon, I never promised you a beer garden ♫

Was thinking more along these lines, you cheeky munky :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQOc_hgpyPE

ratmouse · 20-05-2014 02:33AM

dj jarvis wrote: »

as i said , not having a clue what they are talking about - for the people that they are AIMED at , they work at stopping people smoking , if a few idiots take it up , then tough on them , but i would like to see the statistics on how many people have take up using a e cig from scratch , against the vast majority who quit while using them , and how do you prove that these young people would have not used real smokes anyway?. you cant , but please try.

your rhetoric sounds like its taken from the "killer wed "cira 1900 hand book
.

Bit early in the day for ecigarette statistics. Assuming you do understand how a viable statistical analysis works. Time is a factor.

ratmouse · 20-05-2014 02:38AM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

1 in 3 people alive now will die of a cancer related illness not related to smoking I love statistics.

Smoking related illnesses refer to more than just cancer.

Bipolar Joe · 20-05-2014 02:56AM

I thought it was one in two? Looks like my chances of continuing to look awesome just got higher. [Lights cigarette, sits on chopper and rides into the distance while things explode].

ardle1 · 20-05-2014 03:03AM

Anyway OP.

I'm finding your story a little bit hard to stomach to be honest.
Fair enough show her a 'little' bit off respect by answering her..... Yeah with a snigger and a grunt!! then continue 'enjoying' your smoke, and see where it goes from there.

I really can't believe that she would approach you like that, and ask such a stupid ignorant self centred question!

McDermotX · 20-05-2014 03:18AM

Never discount the neck of some people though, especially when it comes to their kids, as if they're some kind of special genius for further adding to the planet's overpopulation problem.
Probably someone so used their getting their own way, they're completely devoid of any awareness of others.

FWIW I'd like to see smoking banned full stop from everywhere, but unless there was an exclusion from smoking in the beer garden (as in, it's a beer garden, not a designated smoking area), I wouldn't be siding with someone who chose to sit there with their self-produce, while some lads are happily killing themselves with their deathsticks.

ardle1 · 20-05-2014 03:22AM

McDermotX wrote: »

Never discount the neck of some people though, especially when it comes to their kids, as if they're some kind of special genius for further adding to the planet's overpopulation problem.
Probably someone so used their getting their own way, they're completely devoid of any awareness of others.

FWIW I'd like to see smoking banned full stop from everywhere, but unless there was an exclusion from smoking in the beer garden (as in, it's a beer garden, not a designated smoking area), I wouldn't be siding with someone who chose to sit there with their self-produce, while some lads are happily killing themselves with their deathsticks.

Exactly, I'm also a non-smoker.... In this case I'm backing the lads out having a smoke in the beer garden. 100%

Big Bag of Chips · 20-05-2014 03:40AM

lollsangel wrote: »

I didnt say in a smoking area, I said in A COMMUNAL OUTSIDE AREA, and in fairness anyone who would sit down beside a young child and smoke is a twat!

A small point, the smokers were already there. The family came and sat beside them...

So any parent with young children who would sit down beside a group of smokers is a twat.

Bambi wrote: »

Slides? have you ever been in a beer garden in this country that was double jobbing as a playground?

There's one in our local.
In Ireland.

dj jarvis · 20-05-2014 07:19PM

ratmouse wrote: »

Bit early in the day for ecigarette statistics. Assuming you do understand how a viable statistical analysis works. Time is a factor.

yea , what ever , they help people quit , and there is NO solid proof they have long term affects on the user or those around them , it worked for me and LOADS of my mates

http://www.bbc.com/news/health-27485954

i understand fully when someone is being passive aggressive smart arse :eek:

darkpagandeath · 20-05-2014 07:28PM

ratmouse wrote: »

Smoking related illnesses refer to more than just cancer.

Like ? Heart attacks ? strokes ? all things normal people can get without ever smoking

ratmouse · 21-05-2014 12:25AM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Like ? Heart attacks ? strokes ? all things normal people can get without ever smoking

"normal people"??
Smoking increases the risk and rate.

ratmouse · 21-05-2014 12:30AM

dj jarvis wrote: »

yea , what ever , they help people quit , and there is NO solid proof they have long term affects on the user or those around them , it worked for me and LOADS of my mates

http://www.bbc.com/news/health-27485954

i understand fully when someone is being passive aggressive smart arse :eek:

Really?

dj jarvis · 21-05-2014 08:36AM

ratmouse wrote: »

Really?

:rolleyes:

darkpagandeath · 23-05-2014 09:51PM

ratmouse wrote: »

"normal people"??
Smoking increases the risk and rate.

So does eating sugar/fat and any number of things what's your point ?

ratmouse · 23-05-2014 10:14PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

So does eating sugar/fat and any number of things what's your point ?

Hmmm....bit of a delayed response.

Carcinogens anyone?

Kev_2012 · 23-05-2014 11:14PM

As a non smoker, it irritates the life out of me when I'm walking down a busy street and I get hit with a cloud of smoke from some dope walking in front of me.

If I had kids I wouldn't want them near smoke, but I wouldn't tell people in a f*cking pub to stop, I'd sit away from them, even though I hate smoking near me in general, it's not a place for kids anyway.

ted1 · 24-05-2014 08:46AM

Afroshack wrote: »

Is this socially acceptable? Yesterday I was having after-work drinks and food in a really sunny beer garden with some work friends - around half 7 in the evening. A family with small children came out and sat next to us, then requested that we stop smoking whilst they were there with their kids. In an outdoor beer garden. We agreed to do it, but it was pretty clear we weren't happy about it. Do you think they were right to request that we not smoke and we were right to make our feelings clear? Id' never smoke near a child at a bus stop/ street area but surely a beer garden at 7pm is fair game?

Speaking as a non smoker and a parent if a 4 and 2 year old the parents are in the wrong. It's an adult domain, they should expect people to smoke there and either live with it it not out them in that position

renegademaster · 24-05-2014 08:59AM

Afroshack wrote: »

Is this socially acceptable? Yesterday I was having after-work drinks and food in a really sunny beer garden with some work friends - around half 7 in the evening. A family with small children came out and sat next to us, then requested that we stop smoking whilst they were there with their kids. In an outdoor beer garden. We agreed to do it, but it was pretty clear we weren't happy about it. Do you think they were right to request that we not smoke and we were right to make our feelings clear? Id' never smoke near a child at a bus stop/ street area but surely a beer garden at 7pm is fair game?

so, because you a some others feel the kids shouldn't be there you've won justification to poison them with your addictive second hand smoke?? what if the family were on holidays? why is it you'd only consider not smoking around kids at a bus stop?? you seem like an ignoramous tbh!!

Sam Kade · 24-05-2014 09:07AM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Like ? Heart attacks ? strokes ? all things normal people can get without ever smoking

Are smokers are abnormal?

Big Bag of Chips · 24-05-2014 09:20AM

rubadub wrote: »

I rarely hear it commented on, loads are oblivious to the fact they are smoking illegally in "beer gardens".

Can you quote the legislation where this is law? As far as I can find
- It is illegal to smoke in enclosed work spaces.
- Smoking outdoors isn't illegal.
- But it is illegal to smoke in an area that is a designated "no-smoking" area (I think this only refers to indoor areas where smoking is allowed.. psychiatric hospitals, care homes etc)

So unless the pub makes the outdoor beer garden a designated no-smoking area, then it is not illegal to smoke there.

Smoking outdoors does not have to be confined to designated smoking areas, unless otherwise specified by management. And even then it would come down to the policy of that particular establishment rather than being illegal.

Afroshack · 24-05-2014 09:41AM

renegademaster wrote: »

so, because you a some others feel the kids shouldn't be there you've won justification to poison them with your addictive second hand smoke?? what if the family were on holidays? why is it you'd only consider not smoking around kids at a bus stop?? you seem like an ignoramous tbh!!

It was the smoking area of a pub on a Friday night. Of course they shouldn't have been there! I wouldn't smoke around people at a bus stop because it's pretty unmannerly to smoke around anyone who has to sit or stand next to you for a certain amount of time and can't really walk away. I'm pretty sure the smoking area of a pub is fair game. But by all means, continue to bring your children into unsuitable places - it's you who has to look after them when they feel bored/cranky/ill from someone having a rightful smoke near them.

Yogosan · 24-05-2014 09:59AM

Anyone ever notice how it's called a beer garden, but there's never any grass?

24-05-2014 10:08AM

Are people really stupid enough to believe that the bit of passive smoke a child will get the odd time they are in a pub is going to do a thing on them.

All the people posting here would have been in pubs as a kid when people smoked in the pubs (I know I was) and nobody cared nor did it do anything on us.

Living in a house with a smoker or always being in a car with a smoker (which we all see eveeryday) probably isn't going to do a kid any good but being around someone smoking in an outdoor location maybe once a week or every two weeks for no more than a few hours?? People really cannot believe that's any harm.

Big Bag of Chips · 24-05-2014 10:27AM

Amaris Victorious Sunburn wrote: »

All the people posting here would have been in pubs as a kid when people smoked in the pubs (I know I was) and nobody cared nor did it do anything on us.

Many's the asthma attack (occassionally resulting in a trip to A&E) I had from being in a smokey environment...

Just sayin'!

24-05-2014 12:35PM

Amaris Victorious Sunburn wrote: »

It's painful reading the crazy over-protective nonsense of some people. "My kids aren't even allowed to look in the direction of a pub.....". Nothing wrong with kids going in with their parents for dinner or a young lad going with his dad to watch a game, or maybe the parents just want a few drinks they shouldn't have to give up their lives when they have kids (as appears to be expect by some).

This is obviously a new thing as it was common place for kids to be in pubs a few years ago and right up until closing too before they brought in the no kids after 9pm rule and it never did a thing on any of us.

I would be of the opinion that a place where people are taking drugs of any kind is not a place for a kid. I was never brought into a bar as a child and I would also not bring my children to a bar.

blaze1 · 24-05-2014 01:10PM

The amount of double standards in this thread is ridiculous. Do you bring your kids away in the Summer and like to sit in a beer garden whilst the kids are having a run around? Lucky to even find a pub with a garden I take it your not around Dublin anyway.

Maybe asking you to stop smoking was OTT, but ffs people, just because you have kids it doesn't mean your life stops.

Smoking near kids in beer garden

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