Lethal Ecstasy

gouche · 23-05-2014 01:59PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

But in the absence of legalisation and regulation you would advise people not to take illegal drugs, right?

No I wouldn't because that would make me something of a hypocrite, see?

I'd advise people to be wary of what they are taking and only buy from people they know and trust.
However, I would agree that in the absence of regulation you are taking a gamble on what you consume. This is a risk I took and it's a risk people will continue to take for eternity - hence the need for regulation.

tashiusclay · 23-05-2014 01:59PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

But taking it (or something they were told was it) led to the sudden death of these 2 young men.

If you could have had a word in their ears last week, would you not have advised them not to take it?

A local person was knocked over and killed while out walking his dog last week...should someone have had a word in his ear the week before to advise him never to walk his dog? EVERY activity in life carries risks, the illegal status of most recreational drugs only succeeds in pushing from them from the 'risky' category to the 'very risky' one, is this what you're supporting and agreeing with?

Suryavarman · 23-05-2014 01:59PM

StinkyMunkey wrote: »

I hate that whinging argument "Waaaah, alcohol and cigarettes are legal, so should hard core drugs". Its like a child saying "he can do that, why cant i do this". If muppets wanna take hardcore drugs, let them. Its just a god awful shame that some people have to pay with their lives - for what, a high or buzz.

Smoking a joint is one thing (i think is should be allowed on medical grounds), but legalising the likes of that ****e is moronic. The world doesnt more sustances that can harm you made legal, if anything stricter control on cigarettes and alcohol.

What gives you the right to tell other adults what they can and can't put into their body?

Royale with Cheese · 23-05-2014 02:01PM

gouche wrote: »

A regulated industry, or even one that accepts that people will take these drugs and provides a safe source/testing facilities would cut down on this type of stuff happening.

Someone I knew from Holland told me pills are still illegal over there, but you can take them to government run clinics and have them tested to see what's actually in them. That would be a first step to stopping these kind of deaths in this country, surely.

I Heart Internet · 23-05-2014 02:02PM

gouche wrote: »

No I wouldn't because that would make me something of a hypocrite, see?

I'd advise people to be wary of what they are taking and only buy from people they know and trust.
However, I would agree that in the absence of regulation you are taking a gamble on what you consume. This is a risk I took and it's a risk people will continue to take for eternity - hence the need for regulation.

I trust my drug-dealer like he was my own brother. His desire to make money by selling me a poison is just a colourful character trait. He's got my back at all times.

I Heart Internet · 23-05-2014 02:02PM

tashiusclay wrote: »

A local person was knocked over and killed while out walking his dog last week...should someone have had a word in his ear the week before to advise him never to walk his dog? EVERY activity in life carries risks, the illegal status of most recreational drugs only succeeds in pushing from them from the 'risky' category to the 'very risky' one, is this what you're supporting and agreeing with?

Dog walking is not the same as ingesting a poisonous substance.

gouche · 23-05-2014 02:05PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

I trust my drug-dealer like he was my own brother. His desire to make money by selling me a poison is just a colourful character trait. He's got my back at all times.

Ok - and this is where I stop replying to this thread.

tashiusclay · 23-05-2014 02:08PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Dog walking is not the same as ingesting a poisonous substance.

But they're both activities that carry an element of risk, and all substances have the capacity to be poisonous, it just depends on dosage, Water can be classed as a poison, for example.

So as I was saying, do you support keeping ecstacy illegal? What do you think is achieved by this??

tashiusclay · 23-05-2014 02:11PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

I trust my drug-dealer like he was my own brother. His desire to make money by selling me a poison is just a colourful character trait. He's got my back at all times.

Your posts aren't making a lot of sense, you could say exactly the statement about your local off licence owner, both are selling a poison aren't they?

mfergus · 23-05-2014 02:11PM

So my parents weren't telling lies when they told me drugs were dangerous...

StinkyMunkey · 23-05-2014 02:12PM

Suryavarman wrote: »

What gives you the right to tell other adults what they can and can't put into their body?

Guess you missed "if muppets wanna take hardcore drugs let them".

To elaborate more, if there was a referendum to legalise these hardcore drugs, id vote no. Just like id vote no to people being able to buy hand grenades or assault rifles.

If your life is honestly that unfulfilling that you want hardcore drugs to fill in a missing gap, then your doing it wrong. There are plenty of things in life that can harm or kill you, only a fool goes out of his way to increase his chances of harm or death.

I Heart Internet · 23-05-2014 02:12PM

tashiusclay wrote: »

But they're both activities that carry an element of risk, and all substances have the capacity to be poisonous, it just depends on dosage, Water can be classed as a poison, for example.

So as I was saying, do you support keeping ecstacy illegal? What do you think is achieved by this??

I think there's an argumant for and against legalisation. I'd be open to having the debate nationally on it.

But in the meantime, I can't believe the number of people who, AT THE SAME TIME, call for legalisation and regulation to make drugs safer AND refuse to advise people not to take these, by definition, unsafe drugs.

Either we need legislation to make them safe, or they are safe now and we don't need legislation.

I Heart Internet · 23-05-2014 02:13PM

tashiusclay wrote: »

Your posts aren't making a lot of sense, you could say exactly the statement about your local off licence owner, both are selling a poison aren't they?

Yes, but one is at leaset quality controlled and almost never results in sudden death.

tashiusclay · 23-05-2014 02:15PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Yes, but one is at leaset quality controlled and almost never results in sudden death.

Oh dear...

harry Bailey esq · 23-05-2014 02:16PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

No, lots more obviously, but people have short memories.

memory loss due to all the drugs they've been imbibing

Miprocin · 23-05-2014 02:16PM

At the very least use reagent testing kits. A combination of Marquis, Robadope and Simons Reagent kits should at least give you some idea as to what to expect.

BTW, if anyone has one of these pills and would like to have it analysed. EcstasyData are testing one pill free per month. PM me and I may be able to make it happen.

tashiusclay · 23-05-2014 02:17PM

StinkyMunkey wrote: »

Guess you missed "if muppets wanna take hardcore drugs let them".

To elaborate more, if there was a referendum to legalise these hardcore drugs, id vote no. Just like id vote no to people being able to buy hand grenades or assault rifles.

If your life is honestly that unfulfilling that you want hardcore drugs to fill in a missing gap, then your doing it wrong. There are plenty of things in life that can harm or kill you, only a fool goes out of his way to increase his chances of harm or death.

Do you drink alcohol or smoke cigarettes?

I Heart Internet · 23-05-2014 02:17PM

harry Bailey esq wrote: »

memory loss due to all the drugs they've been imbibing

Almost certainly

I Heart Internet · 23-05-2014 02:19PM

Miprocin wrote: »

At the very least use reagent testing kits. A combination of Marquis, Robadope and Simons Reagent kits should at least give you some idea as to what to expect.

BTW, if anyone has one of these pills and would like to have it analysed. EcstasyData are testing one pill free per month. PM me and I may be able to make it happen.

Most people don't give a **** about testing anything. They've been sold the myth that buying a pill off a fella who was in your brother's year in school and is a sound fella is perfectly safe.

cletus van damme · 23-05-2014 02:20PM

there are so many other factors at play it's not as simple as blaming the drugs - even if it wasn't ecstasy

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/hse-alert-over-drugs-linked-to-three-teen-deaths-in-past-month-30297694.html

The 16-year-old boy who died in Waterford is alleged to have taken six tablets at the weekend and the tests in his case positively identified the PMMA.

like holy fcuk batman:eek: - I know seasoned pill merchants and I've taken a few myself but 6 pills is a heavy dose . At 16 years old that's asking for trouble

other reports i read last night said that other drugs were at play.
poly drug use isn't the smartest thing to be fair.

I think drugs should be legal - cos people would know what they were buying. Or at least allow testing or occur without fear of arrest

cletus van damme · 23-05-2014 02:21PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Most people don't give a **** about testing anything. They've been sold the myth that buying a pill off a fella who was in your brother's year in school and is a sound fella is perfectly safe.

I know what you are saying - but if you know the guy and he has taken some himself it's better than buying off soem junkie on o'connell bridge.

johnnykilo · 23-05-2014 02:22PM

The increasing presence of PMA/PMMA in ecstasy may be due to this massive seizure in Belgium last year:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/belgium/10263175/Ecstasy-pills-worth-1.3bn-found-in-Europes-biggest-drugs-raid.html

This is also a great article which explains more about PMA/PMMA, and how although similar to MDMA, it takes much longer to work which is why people keep taking more and more of them and then they get hit by massive effects all of a sudden:
http://www.mixmag.net/words/features/killer-pills-myth-or-murder

Miprocin · 23-05-2014 02:23PM

cletus van damme wrote: »

there are so many other factors at play it's not as simple as playing the drugs - even if it wasn#'t ecstasy

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/hse-alert-over-drugs-linked-to-three-teen-deaths-in-past-month-30297694.html

like holy fcuk batman:eek: - I know seasoned pill merchants and I've taken a few myself but 6 pills is a heavy dose . At 16 years old that's asking for trouble

other reports i read last night said that other drugs were at play.
poly drug use isn't the smartest thing to be fair.

I think drugs should be legal - cos people would know what they were buying. Or at least allow testing or occur without fear of arrest

PMA/PMMA is really nasty stuff. It's contraindicated to itself.

ScumLord · 23-05-2014 02:23PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

So you're happy young people are buying ecstasy? As long as they can see it's good ecstasy, with their pharmacological x-ray vision?

I'm not happy or sad about it. It's just a fact of life that people enjoy doing drugs and we're never going to reach a point in time when people are not going to want to do drugs.

Young adults in particular are going to want to do drugs, the government have spent the last 50 years trying to scare young people with misinformation, heavy custodial sentences and none of it has worked.

Regulate drugs and deaths will be reduced, drug related crime will be reduced and addicts can finally come out from under the monster label and get treatment.

I Heart Internet · 23-05-2014 02:26PM

ScumLord wrote: »

I'm not happy or sad about it. It's just a fact of life that people enjoy doing drugs and we're never going to reach a point in time when people are not going to want to do drugs.

Young adults in particular are going to want to do drugs, the government have spent the last 50 years trying to scare young people with misinformation, heavy custodial sentences and none of it has worked.

Regulate drugs and deaths will be reduced, drug related crime will be reduced and addicts can finally come out from under the monster label and get treatment.

Well I'm sad that young people take, and in a few cases die from taking, illegal drugs.

SEPT 23 1989 · 23-05-2014 02:29PM

I presume that is a stock photo with the Mitsubishi in it

TimeToShine · 23-05-2014 02:29PM

16 year old takes SIX pills! I don't know anyone who would need that many to come up, that is crazy.

Variety is the spice of life, try everything once while you still can but try not to overdo it like these poor lads.

Suryavarman · 23-05-2014 02:34PM

StinkyMunkey wrote: »

Guess you missed "if muppets wanna take hardcore drugs let them".

To elaborate more, if there was a referendum to legalise these hardcore drugs, id vote no. Just like id vote no to people being able to buy hand grenades or assault rifles.

If your life is honestly that unfulfilling that you want hardcore drugs to fill in a missing gap, then your doing it wrong. There are plenty of things in life that can harm or kill you, only a fool goes out of his way to increase his chances of harm or death.

So you think people should be allowed to take drugs but you just want to do your utmost to destroy their lives if they do. I don't know how I got your position wrong earlier :rolleyes:

suicide_circus · 23-05-2014 02:34PM

I ingested a green rolex last year, felt unwell, uneasy, palpitations etc. No high whatsoever. Afrer an hour I forced myself to vomit and drank loads of water. Now the young lad mentioned in the article took SIX of these. Asking for trouble to say the least.

I Heart Internet · 23-05-2014 02:45PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

I ingested a green rolex last year, felt unwell, uneasy, palpitations etc. No high whatsoever. Afrer an hour I forced myself to vomit and drank loads of water. Now the young lad mentioned in the article took SIX of these. Asking for trouble to say the least.

Why did you ingest something that you had no clue what it was but suspected it was some kind of pharmacological compound. Would it not concern you that it would make you feel unwell (which it did)?

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