''Shocking'' racist message on n7

Reekwind · 21-05-2014 06:18PM

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

I mean i normally dont give a **** i just get on with my own life and my own issues but it does make me feel like a tourist in my own country when i hear so many people around me speaking different languages and so many of these people are from totally different cultures and walks of life. With the weather out there today i felt on holidays for more then one reason :P

Why does that make you uncomfortable?

How Soon Is Now · 21-05-2014 06:23PM

Reekwind wrote: »

Why does that make you uncomfortable?

Honestly at times i dont even know and thats no word of lie. I just listen and take it all in and think mmmmm this is what Ireland is now?

pO1Neil · 21-05-2014 06:35PM

Of course it's offensive.

This type of stuff is brought on by the type of society we live in & our political leaders not doing enough to combat it or even worse at times tolerating it.

Bloe Joggs · 21-05-2014 06:35PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

Quite a way to go...to what exactly? Ok some ethnic diversity is great but its not like its a goal ireland MUST reach? Who says immigration is even that beneficial to ireland, Im not saying it or it isnt but are there any stats or anything on benefits of it ?

Why do we need to catch up, is homogenity even that bad. Japan seems to be doin ok for itself.

You've got a point but for this country I think it would definitely be a good thing. Japan has a much larger population which lends itself to a lot more genetic diversity (always a good thing). If you go back thousands of years, there was a civilisation in Japan which was rich in trade and plenty of subsequent genetic and social swap & meet was always going on. After the war, under the guidance of the emperor they decided to embrace the idea of internationalism and became a very tolerant and socially diverse country.

In Ireland we've been relatively isolated as a group for a few hundred years. With a small population, if only for the sake of general health and longevity, it's important to stir up that gene pool. Personally I think that it adds a more interesting dimension to the social aspects of life too, with greater tolerance of individual thought and freedom.

FTA69 · 21-05-2014 06:38PM

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

I just listen and take it all in and think mmmmm this is what Ireland is now?

What? A country with a few foreigners in it? Big whoop like.

Piliger · 21-05-2014 06:39PM

Reekwind wrote: »

Why does that make you uncomfortable?

I think he made that pretty clear later in his post.

What amuses me about people like that is their ignorance of Irish history. Ignorance of the millions of Irish that were allowed in to dozens of other countries all around the globe ver the last couple of hundred years. Ignorant of the hundreds of thousands welcomed to the UK since the war, where they collected the dole and worked and raised families.
Now, as part of the EU deal where we have received literally tens of billions in cash fro the EU for the development of our country, a couple of hundred thousand fellow Europeans come to Ireland to work and live .... while at the same time Irish people are doing exactly the same thing in reverse ! ... and suddenly the world is coming to an end. It's pretty pathetic. And what is it with some people that have some kind of inner weakness and need to be surrounded by white celtic Irish people ? What a bore !! I love walking outside my door and passing people from every corner of the globe. Chatting to and learning about their cultures and countries and history. What TF is life about anyway ??

dj jarvis · 21-05-2014 06:41PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

All cultures are beautiful , none should be prioritised over any other. We should try as best we can to preserve all cultures!

bull****e - all cultures are beautiful my arse - happy clappy vomit :mad:

bb1234567 · 21-05-2014 06:45PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

bull****e - all cultures are beautiful my arse - happy clappy vomit :mad:

Cultures may not seem beautiful to you but try to see other cultures from another perspective. europeans thought that native american culture was a pile of pooh and proceeded to decimate it and 'civilise' the natives. So many amazing cultural traditions, native languages and customs were lost forever. If we dont preserve cultures we could end up seriously regretting our decisions in future.

Red Nissan · 21-05-2014 06:50PM

Bloe Joggs wrote: »

In Ireland we've been relatively isolated as a group for a few hundred years. With a small population, if only for the sake of general health and longevity, it's important to stir up that gene pool. Personally I think that it adds a more interesting dimension to the social aspects of life too, with greater tolerance of individual thought and freedom.

I don't agree with this, in this context. It is good to mix up the gene pool with similar but diverse genes.

Otherwise we replace one race with another or a different one, it does not prolong the health and longevity of the effected race.

Look at the Spanish and how they slaughtered all the men in regions of South America and we have today a new race called Latinos ~ technically genetically modified human beings.

One's race is carried by the male genes as dominant with the female accepting the pattern and producing a mix that eventually breeds true. The 'white' Spanish invaders, replaced a tribe [a whole population]of South American Indians and left the legacy that we have today.

dj jarvis · 21-05-2014 06:54PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

Cultures may not seem beautiful to you but try to see other cultures from another perspective. europeans thought that native american culture was a pile of pooh and proceeded to decimate it and 'civilise' the natives. So many amazing cultural traditions, native languages and customs were lost forever. If we dont preserve cultures we could end up seriously regretting our decisions in future.

dont blow smoke up my arse , not ALL cultures are beautiful and need saving , stop being an apologist for some nasty nasty people and places out on out little planet.

and not to pick on ANY culture but you would like to keep things like FGM , child brides at 7 , no schooling for girls , rape , torture , wanting to wipe out "non believers" , shame murders and the list goes ON AND ON

me for one dont for one second believe that everything should be kept in that tradition - parts of it are barbaric - as with other cultures i could mention

some cultures are more tolerant than others , i want f2ck all to do with the less tolerant ones , let alone "save them" what ever the funk that clap means

endacl · 21-05-2014 06:55PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

Cultures may not seem beautiful to you but try to see other cultures from another perspective. europeans thought that native american culture was a pile of pooh and proceeded to decimate it and 'civilise' the natives. So many amazing cultural traditions, native languages and customs were lost forever. If we dont preserve cultures we could end up seriously regretting our decisions in future.

There are more extinct and forgotten culture than there are 'surviving'. If a culture is valued by those that live it, it'll survive. If it's not it'll be subsumed, absorbed, or abandoned.

A good example here would be the Stephen's day wren. Largely forgotten all over the country, but alive and well in isolated pockets, one of these being sandymount in Dublin (?!?). There's nothing inherently to be valued in a culture, outside of the value placed in it by those to whom it belongs. Culture is really nothing more than a peoples way of 'being' in the world, and by and large, ours is barely Irish any more, bacause those who live it don't value it. Irish culture? Mostly Ant and Dec, premiership football, spending days off 'shopping'....

I've a good grasp of the language. I play traditional music. Etc. but it's not really my culture, as such. Just stuff I do.

Red Nissan · 21-05-2014 06:56PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

europeans thought that native american culture was a pile of pooh and proceeded to decimate it and 'civilise' .

Not at all, the average European was aghast at what happened. What happened was Religious Conversion for the Catholic Church of Rome.

Mix in political advantage and armies of criminals, convicts and press ganged men with evangelism and a divine right and indeed a divine necessity to convert the world.

It was Religiously motivated and even funded in the first instance.

bb1234567 · 21-05-2014 06:56PM

Red Nissan wrote: »

I don't agree with this, in this context. It is good to mix up the gene pool with similar but diverse genes.

Otherwise we replace one race with another or a different one, it does not prolong the health and longevity of the effected race.

Look at the Spanish and how they slaughtered all the men in regions of South America and we have today a new race called Latinos ~ technically genetically modified human beings.

One's race is carried by the male genes as dominant with the female accepting the pattern and producing a mix that eventually breeds true. The 'white' Spanish invaders, replaced a tribe [a whole population]of South American Indians and left the legacy that we have today.

Latino is not a race....latino just means you live in the american continent anywhere south of the USA border:) There are asian latinos, Black latinos, White latinos, native american latinos. The american government classifies latino/hispanics as one race, as if everyone south of USA is one race, when theyre not. South america is very diverse. The 'latino race' youre picturing in your mind is probably a mestizo person. A mestizo is a person who is a person of mixed european ,african and native ancestory. Most south americans claim to be Mestizo. Argentina for example is almost entirely white, nearly everyone is of european descent.

norrie rugger · 21-05-2014 06:57PM

Red Nissan wrote: »

I don't agree with this, in this context. It is good to mix up the gene pool with similar but diverse genes.

Otherwise we replace one race with another or a different one, it does not prolong the health and longevity of the effected race.

Look at the Spanish and how they slaughtered all the men in regions of South America and we have today a new race called Latinos ~ technically genetically modified human beings.

One's race is carried by the male genes as dominant with the female accepting the pattern and producing a mix that eventually breeds true. The 'white' Spanish invaders, replaced a tribe [a whole population]of South American Indians and left the legacy that we have today.

What a load of waffle

bb1234567 · 21-05-2014 06:58PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

dont blow smoke up my arse , not ALL cultures are beautiful and need saving , stop being an apologist for some nasty nasty people and places out on out little planet.

and not to pick on ANY culture but you would like to keep things like FGM , child brides at 7 , no schooling for girls , rape , torture , wanting to wipe out "non believers" , shame murders and the list goes ON AND ON

me for one dont for one second believe that everything should be kept in that tradition - parts of it are barbaric - as with other cultures i could mention

some cultures are more tolerant than others , i want f2ck all to do with the less tolerant ones , let alone "save them" what ever the funk that clap means

Rape and torture arent really culture... Those are all social problems in the country not really culture problems. Obviously things like 7 year old brides and awful womens rights should be preserved

Chinasea · 21-05-2014 06:58PM

Lux23 wrote: »

You are walking down the street and you witness a person of colour getting racist abuse from a couple of teenagers. Do you interfere or do you just walk on assuming that the person isn't really that offended?

I think your viewpoint is a mistake, people aren't necessarily offended by these racist signs, maybe they are upset by them? They represent something a lot uglier in our society than something lefties can get offended over their hummus and crackers.

100%. Lease we forget we have had several racially motivated murders in the last few years and numerous serious racial attacks etc. The sneering, nonchalance and dismissive tones in this thread are deeply disturbing.

My name is URL · 21-05-2014 07:01PM

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

Its great to experience different cultures try new things but thats why u go on holidays and travel.

But heavens forbid that anyone decides to choose Ireland as their destination? =/

GLaDOS · 21-05-2014 07:02PM

Red Nissan wrote: »

I don't agree with this, in this context. It is good to mix up the gene pool with similar but diverse genes.

Otherwise we replace one race with another or a different one, it does not prolong the health and longevity of the effected race.

Genetically, there's incredibly little difference between races. Genetic diversity is always good

Look at the Spanish and how they slaughtered all the men in regions of South America and we have today a new race called Latinos ~ technically genetically modified human beings.

Eh... no they're not

One's race is carried by the male genes as dominant with the female accepting the pattern and producing a mix that eventually breeds true. The 'white' Spanish invaders, replaced a tribe [a whole population]of South American Indians and left the legacy that we have today.

Not quite sure what you're trying to say here, but both males and females carry dominant/recessive genes. And the majority of human features aren't determined by simple 2 dominant/recessive alleles, usually determined by several genes, which have several forms.

Red Nissan · 21-05-2014 07:04PM

norrie rugger wrote: »

What a load of waffle

What part?

Red Nissan · 21-05-2014 07:11PM

ScienceNerd wrote: »

Genetically, there's incredibly little difference between races. Genetic diversity is always good.

From this perspective, there is no difference as we are ALL from the same two genes.

In this exact case we can't produce genetic diversity, except that the process of evolution is still continuing.

In 4014 we might be talking about our ancestors as the ScienceNerd genome and we have taken on a marked increase in intellect and problem solving.

dj jarvis · 21-05-2014 07:16PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

Rape and torture arent really culture... Those are all social problems in the country not really culture problems. Obviously things like 7 year old brides and awful womens rights should be preserved

are they not ?? well they are more prevalent in certain cultures , square that circle for me Einstein,
you know what i am getting at , your dream land Utopia of cultures will never happen, becasue some "cultures" want to wipe the other off the face of the earth

aspects of some cultures are repugnant to any civilized person and rather than be saved they should be eradicated , any any visitor who pushes these "values" in Ireland can funk right off back to where they came from,

FFS , look at north eastern England , some areas are de facto sharia areas , they have even ran off licences from the area becasue their "culture" demands it , woman not covered up getting abuse on the streets , then the Trojan horse schools scandal , but a white person cant say anything against this becasue apologists like you have labeled them all racist.

so would the Irish populace openly accept letting a city turn into a another cultures ghetto , with their own "culture" , somewhere the size of Limerick or waterford ?

they would in their arse

i am ALL for multiculturalism - it does a country good to have a difference of people, but asking the locals to bend to the guests culture to the determent of our people is a no no

Red Nissan · 21-05-2014 07:17PM

ScienceNerd wrote: »

Eh... no they're not

As I'm sure you know, it was a deliberate act, it was not just a coincidence of war and rape of defeated defenders from invaders.

It was deliberately executed, the men killed and the women made pregnant.

That make it genetic manipulation and the result was a new race which bred thru and mixed thereafter.

Nodin · 21-05-2014 07:19PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

are they not ?? well they are more prevalent in certain cultures , square that circle for me Einstein,
you know what i am getting at , your dream land Utopia of cultures will never happen, becasue some "cultures" want to wipe the other off the face of the earth

aspects of some cultures are repugnant to any civilized person and rather than be saved they should be eradicated , any any visitor who pushes these "values" in Ireland can funk right off back to where they came from,

FFS , look at north eastern England , some areas are de facto sharia areas , they have even ran off licences from the area becasue their "culture" demands it , woman not covered up getting abuse on the streets , then the Trojan horse schools scandal , but a white person cant say anything against this becasue apologists like you have labeled them all racist.

so would the Irish populace openly accept letting a city turn into a another cultures ghetto , with their own "culture" , somewhere the size of Limerick or waterford ?

they would in their arse

i am ALL for multiculturalism - it does a country good to have a difference of people, but asking the locals to bend to the guests culture to the determent of our people is a no no

Nope
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-birmingham-27355014

How Soon Is Now · 21-05-2014 07:20PM

Seen a lot of people mentioning living in a world of tolerance..... And would do us no harm mixing our gene pool so to say......

Nah.

I'm not stupid I'm aware most of us probably somewhere down the family tree came from other regions but doesn't mean I'd like to continue that myself personally speaking.

The human race is ****ed up enough as it is. I mean to some of u amazing people in here I'm probably a perfect example :-).

bb1234567 · 21-05-2014 07:21PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

are they not ?? well they are more prevalent in certain cultures , square that circle for me Einstein,
you know what i am getting at , your dream land Utopia of cultures will never happen, becasue some "cultures" want to wipe the other off the face of the earth

aspects of some cultures are repugnant to any civilized person and rather than be saved they should be eradicated , any any visitor who pushes these "values" in Ireland can funk right off back to where they came from,

FFS , look at north eastern England , some areas are de facto sharia areas , they have even ran off licences from the area becasue their "culture" demands it , woman not covered up getting abuse on the streets , then the Trojan horse schools scandal , but a white person cant say anything against this becasue apologists like you have labeled them all racist.

so would the Irish populace openly accept letting a city turn into a another cultures ghetto , with their own "culture" , somewhere the size of Limerick or waterford ?

they would in their arse

i am ALL for multiculturalism - it does a country good to have a difference of people, but asking the locals to bend to the guests culture to the determent of our people is a no no

No no thats not what I was saying. Im fully against foreigners pushing their values and customs upon us in ireland. Its just I dont think we should be so quick to judge other cultures, from our point of view we see our culture as more progressive but in the islamic world they see our society as backward.Just because we think our views are right doesnt mean they are.

* and no that doesnt mean I'm condoning rape, torture, child marriage etc

Like for example obviously we find the women not being allowed to drive law in certain countries ridiculous, although my friend in saudi arabia who is female fully believes she shouldnt be allowed to drive. I dont understand why she doesnt think that that isnt unfair or completely insane, but I think it just shows how different peoples views in other cultures can be.

dj jarvis · 21-05-2014 07:29PM

Nodin wrote: »

Nope
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-birmingham-27355014

But they have found "significant grievances" about governance and leadership, some on a large scale.

no smoke and all that

Hotale.com · 21-05-2014 07:31PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

Like for example obviously we find the women not being allowed to drive law in certain countries ridiculous, although my friend in saudi arabia who is female fully believes she shouldnt be allowed to drive. I dont understand why she thinks that that isnt unfair or completely insane, but I think it just shows how different peoples views in other cultures can be.

Brainwashed maybe? There's no reason why a woman shouldn't be allowed drive just because she's a woman.

Although they're all so so shít at it.

:P

dj jarvis · 21-05-2014 07:33PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

No no thats not what I was saying. Im fully against foreigners pushing their values and customs upon us in ireland. Its just I dont think we should be so quick to judge other cultures, from our point of view we see our culture as more progressive but in the islamic world they see our society as backward.Just because we think our views are right doesnt mean they are.

* and no that doesnt mean I'm condoning rape, torture, child marriage etc

Like for example obviously we find the women not being allowed to drive law in certain countries ridiculous, although my friend in saudi arabia who is female fully believes she shouldnt be allowed to drive. I dont understand why she thinks that that isnt unfair or completely insane, but I think it just shows how different peoples views in other cultures can be.

to save all "beautiful" cultures would involve saving the horrors i pointed out , cant have one with out the other , and along with certain cultures finding it fine to attack , kidnap and brutally murder albino people to grind them up for BLACK MAGIC :eek: , or hunting down gay becasue gays are not part of their culture ..............

some cultures have amazing art music and folklore , but some are just backward , insular and barbaric , and IMO , not worth saving let alone finding beautiful

Red Nissan · 21-05-2014 07:33PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

Like for example obviously we find the women not being allowed to drive law in certain countries ridiculous, .

Hmmmm, what were we saying about embracing and adopting other cultures, sure what could go wrong like.

Actually, I fully thought that women would liberate the world by now, sadly we see more women adopting the old ways, even though they are free in Ireland, than pushing for equality, which they are entitled to in Ireland.

Red Nissan · 21-05-2014 07:36PM

Hotale.com wrote: »

Although they're all so so shít at it. :P

They think differently, that's all, their solutions are unfathomable to the average male, like if I was not in her way she would not have hit me. ?!!!

:pac::)

''Shocking'' racist message on n7

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