Smoking near kids in beer garden

Olive8585 · 19-05-2014 10:43AM

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

Out of curiosity, if you were in a beer garden having food and someone was beside you and said "Sorry would you mind moving, the smell is making me sick" Would you?

Stupid comparison that always comes up in smoking debates. Food is just a smell. Cigarette smoke is at best an irritant and at worst dangerous. It can trigger asthma attacks and is horrible for anyone with sinus issues.

That said, if it's a beer garden where smokers are allowed to smoke freely, you shouldn't ask them to move.

Balmed Out · 19-05-2014 10:47AM

Im presuming this isnt a city centre bar in which case I cant see how they expect anything else but if its a rural bar or a hotel bar then I think their weird to demand it rather then moving elsewhere but that you shouldn't be lighting up upwind of the kids.

Maximus Alexander · 19-05-2014 10:54AM

I would have turned to them, ever so slowly, gradually revealing this facial expression:

ಠ_ಠ

blackbird98 · 19-05-2014 11:22AM

As a smoker, I wouldn't light up beside kids, but if I'm sitting in a smoking area first, it's unreasonable to ask me to put it out or move. I would politely (at first) tell them to move elswhere.....especially at 7pm!!!

Mickey H wrote: »

They have:
Petrol 437.9 Cent per litre
Diesel 435.9 Cent per litre.

over €4 per litre!!!! :eek: what country??

Ray Palmer · 19-05-2014 11:50AM

A few years ago I was on the train in the smoking car. A woman and her teenage daughter sat down at the table I was at. About 20 minutes later I started my cigarette. The woman suddenly starts squirming. then turns to me and asks me to put it out.

Pointed out it was the smoking car and that was why I was there. She went on that there were no seats in the other cars and that was why she came to this car. That she sat beside me as I wasn't smoking when she came in.

She just didn't get why I would smoke if it made her uncomfortable. She eventually left but when she was going her daughter apologised and the mother flipped at her.

Nice to people can be more sensible that their parents

smileyj1987 · 19-05-2014 12:02PM

Balmed Out wrote: »

Im presuming this isnt a city centre bar in which case I cant see how they expect anything else but if its a rural bar or a hotel bar then I think their weird to demand it rather then moving elsewhere but that you shouldn't be lighting up upwind of the kids.

It doesn't matter where the pub is . They had no right to ask the op to move . If he was smoking indoors then yes tell him to move but he wasn't indoors he \ she had no business complaining about the op smoking in a designated smoking area .

rubadub · 19-05-2014 04:02PM

smileyj1987 wrote: »

he wasn't indoors he \ she had no business complaining about the op smoking in a designated smoking area .

We don't know if he was in a legal smoking area. In most pubs I have been in the outdoor areas where people smoke are not legal smoking areas.

darkpagandeath · 19-05-2014 04:19PM

rubadub wrote: »

We don't know if he was in a legal smoking area. In most pubs I have been in the outdoor areas where people smoke are not legal smoking areas.

Ah Jesus were not getting on this debate as well... It's slightly to covered over or not far enough from an exit or window. Places are trying to comply the best way they can in most cases. Anti smokers got the smoking ban inside, yet now again it's not technically a legal smoking area ergo you cant smoke outside here either. Being overly pedantic to legislation that is effectively self policing.

dj jarvis · 19-05-2014 04:24PM

ratmouse wrote: »

Seriously man, you'd want to practice what you preach in terms of knowing little ot nothing about a subject. Do you have any grasp at all about how the tobacco world works?! The e cigs are not designed to wean people off regular cigarettes. They are a (for now anyway), a legal substitute for a regular cigarette that can be smoked legally in many specified places (legal term). They still release a good nicotine hit and enough to keep a user addicted. They are designed to be an attractive product, made even more so by the various flavours available. The young may be a target for these, never take up actually smoking but take up use of ecigs and be subject to enough of a nicotine release to get them and keep them hooked.

as i said , not having a clue what they are talking about - for the people that they are AIMED at , they work at stopping people smoking , if a few idiots take it up , then tough on them , but i would like to see the statistics on how many people have take up using a e cig from scratch , against the vast majority who quit while using them , and how do you prove that these young people would have not used real smokes anyway?. you cant , but please try.

your rhetoric sounds like its taken from the "killer wed "cira 1900 hand book
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cruizer101 · 19-05-2014 04:25PM

Havn't read through whole thread but I'm a bit surprised by some posters reactions of kids shouldn't be in a pub. Now don't get me wrong I completely agree with OP and think its ridiculous that they would ask them to stop smoking.

However, to blanket say kids don't belong in beer gardens is a bit much. What about a nice Sunday afternoon out for dinner, no reason kids shouldn't be out in the beer garden then. Even for an evening meal depending on the type of pub it is I don't really see the harm. It is on a bit of a case by case issue but to blanket say they shouldn't be there is a bit much I think.

Also want to add I don't agree with them being there while the parents wile away the afternoon drinking, I do mean simply for a meal in terms of a pub restaurant.

rubadub · 19-05-2014 04:38PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Ah Jesus were not getting on this debate as well.

I rarely hear it commented on, loads are oblivious to the fact they are smoking illegally in "beer gardens". Most bars know full well their patron are though

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Places are trying to comply the best way they can in most cases.

Dunno if that's meant to be joke, its astonishing what some of them get away with.

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Being overly pedantic to legislation that is effectively self policing.

There's no pedantry about it, its just illegal, its by no means some grey area, its extremely clear.

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Anti smokers got the smoking ban inside

why single out anti-smokers? most smokers I know were in full support of the ban, including myself.

Johnny Be Goode · 19-05-2014 04:39PM

In other countries families are encouraged to go out together, if families could go out without being berated/criticized for wanting a smoke free environment, the pubs and restaurants would fill up, pubs and restaurants would stop closing, employment would increase etc etc etc.

Pub food is cheaper and often tastier with more choice, perfect for families to enjoy a day/evening out.

Though I agree that the family should not have asked for everyone to stop smoking but rather maybe should have moved elsewhere … inside if possible etc

darkpagandeath · 19-05-2014 04:42PM

cruizer101 wrote: »

Havn't read through whole thread but I'm a bit surprised by some posters reactions of kids shouldn't be in a pub. Now don't get me wrong I completely agree with OP and think its ridiculous that they would ask them to stop smoking.

However, to blanket say kids don't belong in beer gardens is a bit much. What about a nice Sunday afternoon out for dinner, no reason kids shouldn't be out in the beer garden then. Even for an evening meal depending on the type of pub it is I don't really see the harm. It is on a bit of a case by case issue but to blanket say they shouldn't be there is a bit much I think.

Also want to add I don't agree with them being there while the parents wile away the afternoon drinking, I do mean simply for a meal in terms of a pub restaurant.

Could always try a Family friendly Restaurant ? Or a picnic, A Pubs primary function is the licenced sale of alcohol. Therefor not family friendly as persons under 18 cannot purchase said alcohol.

Neyite · 19-05-2014 04:43PM

For me its simple. I want to keep my child away from smoke and smokers. So, if I'm out with my child and want to sit for lunch, if its a smoking area, we dont sit there. If its not, we do.

Pubs, aside from being an entertainment venue aimed at adults, are boring for kids after the 5 seconds it took to inhale their bag of tayto and bottle of fanta. The kids are either pestering you, or annoying other patrons. Far better to bring them somewhere that is family friendly.

cruizer101 · 19-05-2014 04:52PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Could always try a Family friendly Restaurant ? Or a picnic, A Pubs primary function is the licenced sale of alcohol. Therefor not family friendly as persons under 18 cannot purchase said alcohol.

Yeah but my point is more regarding family friendly pub/restaurants. I wouldn't necessarily say a pubs primary function is alcohol, food can be a big part of a pubs business, especially during the day, sometimes the choice of places to eat can be limited and there is no reason not to go to a pub/restaurant.

I really think it depends on the pub and I would say a lot aren't really suitable for kids, however there are many which I think are when considering them as somewhere to eat not go for a few drinks.

dutopia · 19-05-2014 04:56PM

On a kind of related note, I can't stand smoking at bus stops and rail platforms. Non smokers have to wait there too it can be difficult to avoid all the smokers puffing around you.

endacl · 19-05-2014 04:57PM

dutopia wrote: »

On a kind of related note, I can't stand smoking at bus stops and rail platforms. Non smokers have to wait there too it can be difficult to avoid all the smokers puffing around you.

Bummer.

minidazzler · 19-05-2014 05:22PM

While I don't necessarily agree that beer gardens are for smokers... because that insinuates they have more claim over it and the seats than anyone, I am completely cool with people smoking in them, as I am the one choosing to go to a place where they are allowed to and congregate to smoke.

Kids should NOT be in bars that don't serve full courses of food. And even if they do, they shouldn't be in bars where the parents are out to either get pissed or to stay for hours. I work in a fairly large bar, and nothing makes me quite as uncomfortable as seeing a group of people come in at 7 on a friday night for a meal with a group of kids in toe. I never serve someone if I judge them too drunk, but I know people will be drunk at a point. Kids shouldn't be exposed to that.

Vandango · 19-05-2014 05:29PM

diveout wrote: »

Kids should not be in beer gardens.

Amen.

WilyCoyote · 19-05-2014 05:29PM

I still don't get all the hysteria about second hand/third hand smoke. As usual, people go over the top and the PC mob cough up some phlegm in defence of banning (everything).
Up until the early 70s smoking was fashionable. Am not quite sure what the figures for lung cancer were then compared to now. I know just a handful of people who've died from it.
People get all sorts of diseases for all sorts of different reasons. Admittedly the breathing of an elderly smoker is laboured. But how come all smokers/secondary smokers don't succumb to lung cancer?
As a non-smoker, that gave up a 50+ a day habit about 15 years ago, I understand the nicotine buzz. Whenever smokers visit we put a few ashtrays around inside the house - not outside. I don't have any problem with inhaling what swirls through the air.
And I hate the anti-nicotine nazis that love to raise the objections. If they don't like cigarette smoke ........ stay away from places that accommodate it and STFU!

19-05-2014 05:37PM

It's painful reading the crazy over-protective nonsense of some people. "My kids aren't even allowed to look in the direction of a pub.....". Nothing wrong with kids going in with their parents for dinner or a young lad going with his dad to watch a game, or maybe the parents just want a few drinks they shouldn't have to give up their lives when they have kids (as appears to be expect by some).

This is obviously a new thing as it was common place for kids to be in pubs a few years ago and right up until closing too before they brought in the no kids after 9pm rule and it never did a thing on any of us.

Vandango · 19-05-2014 05:38PM

Apart from the small wee bit of hash in College, I have never been a smoker. But I don't get the hysteria with second hand smoke and the PC brigade. I find it ironic that some of those who finger pointing and tongue wag, are the very ones who probably drink themselves unconscious during the weekend.

darkpagandeath · 19-05-2014 05:43PM

Amaris Victorious Sunburn wrote: »

It's painful reading the crazy over-protective nonsense of some people. "My kids aren't even allowed to look in the direction of a pub.....". Nothing wrong with kids going in with their parents for dinner or a young lad going with his dad to watch a game, or maybe the parents just want a few drinks they shouldn't have to give up their lives when they have kids (as appears to be expect by some).

This is obviously a new thing as it was common place for kids to be in pubs a few years ago and right up until closing too before they brought in the no kids after 9pm rule and it never did a thing on any of us.

I don't know anywhere where kids would be in till closing how did they getup to go to school ? If this was even the case the parents must have been hammered are you saying this was healthy for children to watch ? Alot of thing years ago were fine does not make it fine now. I used to smoke, Smoking used to be fine indoors now it’s not I accept that.

dj jarvis · 19-05-2014 05:56PM

Neyite wrote: »

For me its simple. I want to keep my child away from smoke and smokers. So, if I'm out with my child and want to sit for lunch, if its a smoking area, we dont sit there. If its not, we do.

Pubs, aside from being an entertainment venue aimed at adults, are boring for kids after the 5 seconds it took to inhale their bag of tayto and bottle of fanta. The kids are either pestering you, or annoying other patrons. Far better to bring them somewhere that is family friendly.

but family friendly places dont allow them get steaming drunk while the kids run riot , and that's what they want to do , drink to get drunk , with the kids in tow,
i have seen kids SLEEPING in a local pub at midnight with their toothless , ignorant waste of space parents out of their faces , on a Sunday night , kids up for school in 7hrs - i shudder when i see things like that.

Lofty123 · 19-05-2014 06:12PM

WilyCoyote wrote: »

I still don't get all the hysteria about second hand/third hand smoke. As usual, people go over the top and the PC mob cough up some phlegm in defence of banning (everything).
Up until the early 70s smoking was fashionable. Am not quite sure what the figures for lung cancer were then compared to now. I know just a handful of people who've died from it.
People get all sorts of diseases for all sorts of different reasons. Admittedly the breathing of an elderly smoker is laboured. But how come all smokers/secondary smokers don't succumb to lung cancer?
As a non-smoker, that gave up a 50+ a day habit about 15 years ago, I understand the nicotine buzz. Whenever smokers visit we put a few ashtrays around inside the house - not outside. I don't have any problem with inhaling what swirls through the air.
And I hate the anti-nicotine nazis that love to raise the objections. If they don't like cigarette smoke ........ stay away from places that accommodate it and STFU!

I take it you don't believe the statistic currently being used in anti smoking ads that 1 in 3 smokers will die from a smoking related disease?

darkpagandeath · 19-05-2014 06:21PM

Lofty123 wrote: »

I take it you don't believe the statistic currently being used in anti smoking ads that 1 in 3 smokers will die from a smoking related disease?

1 in 3 people alive now will die of a cancer related illness not related to smoking I love statistics.

Afroshack · 19-05-2014 06:41PM

pwurple wrote: »

What pub was it?

Are we talking the kind of place where its main business is selling food, and is family-friendly (high chairs available), or it is a drunken paradise?

It's a really nice, middle-class type pub, but not really a place for lots of kids. For starters, there's a good few steps leading into the pub area and steps upstairs towards the restaurant (so you couldn't really bring a buggy) there's no baby-changing area, no things for kids to do, no TV, no play area and nowhere they can run around safely out the back or front. It's nearly always adults, rarely any other children. Plus, it was 7pm on a Friday night.

Maximus Alexander · 19-05-2014 06:55PM

Lofty123 wrote: »

I take it you don't believe the statistic currently being used in anti smoking ads that 1 in 3 smokers will die from a smoking related disease?

I'm not for a second suggesting that smoking is not harmful, but you know what they say about damn lies and statistics. If you'd never so much as smelled a cigarette in your life, but you died from lung cancer, you would contribute to the statistic of having died "from a smoking related illness".

endacl · 19-05-2014 07:05PM

Lofty123 wrote: »

I take it you don't believe the statistic currently being used in anti smoking ads that 1 in 3 smokers will die from a smoking related disease?

2/3 won't? They're not bad odds. Might take up smoking again...

WilyCoyote · 19-05-2014 07:39PM

Lofty123 wrote: »

I take it you don't believe the statistic currently being used in anti smoking ads that 1 in 3 smokers will die from a smoking related disease?

darkpagandeath wrote: »

1 in 3 people alive now will die of a cancer related illness not related to smoking I love statistics.

over the years:

Have seen a lot of medical truisms stood on their head:

Eggs are good for you. A couple for breakfast is a good start to the day (1970)
Eggs are bad for you - too much cholesterol (1990)
The cholesterol in eggs is not bad for you (2014)
...................................................................................................

High fat diets are bad for the arteries (up to 2010)
High fat diets are fine providing they are not sugared up (2014)
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Cholesterol levels need to be lowered in people with heart problems (2012)
A raised Cholesterol level is not the defining factor in heart problems (2014)
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Fruit juice is a healthy way of getting your 5 a day thing? And sodas are bad:

1/2 pint glass of Orange Juice V Coke, Pepsi, Sprite etc

98 calories ..............V ............ 110 calories
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As for Butter V Margarine?

Absolutely no association between saturated fat and cardiovascular disease

I'd trust a cow more than I'd trust a chemist!

Smoking near kids in beer garden

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