Smoking near kids in beer garden

darkpagandeath · 18-05-2014 05:06PM

ratmouse wrote: »

Well I did use the words "Tobacco free Ireland" so I don't know how you didn't get that that first time. As for the tax, well there will be long term, down the line, savings for the health sector when tobacco related illness rates decrease, as per the one of the objectives of a tobacco free society.

Your believing the propaganda of anti smoking there, obese people are by far the highest drain on the healthcare system closely followed by alcohol related e.g fights and so on not liver damage. How can you save money in a budget that loose a very large chunk of it's contributors. If everyone just magically stopped smoking today we would have no way of running a healthcare system in its current form.

ratmouse · 18-05-2014 05:11PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Your believing the propaganda of anti smoking there, obese people are by far the highest drain on the healthcare system closely followed by alcohol related e.g fights and so on not liver damage. How can you save money in a budget that loose a very large chunk of it's contributors. If everyone just magically stopped smoking today we would have no way of running a healthcare system in its current form.[/quote

I wasn't ranking smoking related illness as the highest. I'd hardly call medical and scientific statistics propaganda (perhaps a definition of "propaganda" is required). Also, I wasn't talking about the surcease of smoking. The aim is 2025, hence giving a long period to achieve.

Afroshack · 18-05-2014 05:16PM

lollsangel wrote: »

But its reasonable in your mind to pollute a child's lungs bcos you cant smoke 20 foot away? I have no problem with ppl smoking but dont blow it into a childs face....[/QI

Is it reasonable to place your child in the smoking/beer garden of a pub, knowing full well that people go out there to smoke? Even if I was sitting indoors and went outside specifically to have a smoke, you would have no right to tell me to get lost. If I've paid for food/drinks in a pub, and am over the age of 18 I am allowed to go and have a smoke in their smoking area, even if it interferes with your wish to have your kids in the pub.

Bipolar Joe · 18-05-2014 05:27PM

lollsangel wrote: »

A beer garden is a communal outside area, not specificaly a smoking area
If you read what I said rather than twisting it, I said id have no right to sit diwn beside a smoker and demand that they dont smoke, but if im perhaps in a beer garden, outside and my kids are with me, we're in an area that no one is smoking, and someone comes over sits beside us and sparks up, yes I will rip them a new one.

Pay the fuck attention. OP was in the area first. A wild family appears. Family sits next to people smoking. Mother tells them to stop.

OP did not go sit in an area with kids around and light up. Parents brought children to a place where people were smoking.

lollsangel · 18-05-2014 05:45PM

Bipolar Joe wrote: »

Pay the fuck attention. OP was in the area first. A wild family appears. Family sits next to people smoking. Mother tells them to stop.

OP did not go sit in an area with kids around and light up. Parents brought children to a place where people were smoking.

Can you read? Seriously read what you just quoted...I said I WOULD HAVE NO RIGHT TO TELL HIM NOT TO SMOKE IF HE WAS THERE FIRST, anyway this was a reply to another post

Afroshack · 18-05-2014 05:48PM

lollsangel wrote: »

Can you read? Seriously read what you just quoted...I said I WOULD HAVE NO RIGHT TO TELL HIM NOT TO SMOKE IF HE WAS THERE FIRST, anyway this was a reply to another post

But you don't have the right to tell him not to smoke, even if you were there first. If you don't want to be around people smoking, sit indoors.

lollsangel · 18-05-2014 05:57PM

Afroshack wrote: »

But you don't have the right to tell him not to smoke, even if you were there first. If you don't want to be around people smoking, sit indoors.

Yea however most decent ppl if they are asked wont smoke beside esp kids. I have every right to ask someone not to smoke around them obviously I have no right to demand, I have no problem in someone smoking beside me. As I said in my first post a little bit of compromise goes a long long long way! Anyway im done now as repeating the same point to you over and over again is getting frankly stupid.

bumper234 · 18-05-2014 05:59PM

lollsangel wrote: »

Can you read? Seriously read what you just quoted...I said I WOULD HAVE NO RIGHT TO TELL HIM NOT TO SMOKE IF HE WAS THERE FIRST, anyway this was a reply to another post

Honestly to be fair you would have no right to comment at all, I used to smoke and if i went into a beer garden (regardless of who is there).i would light up.

Milly33 · 18-05-2014 05:59PM

I would have politely told there no.. Sure tis their choice to sit out there and it is a beer garden..It was their choice to bring their kids there not u yours..think it was rude of them

TireeTerror · 18-05-2014 10:56PM

Free the fresh air!

xzanti · 18-05-2014 11:15PM

I'm a militant anti smoker, but a beer garden is one of the last few safe havens for smokers.. that's their turf!

The family were way out of order.

Ihatecuddles · 18-05-2014 11:38PM

lollsangel wrote: »

Yea however most decent ppl if they are asked wont smoke beside esp kids. I have every right to ask someone not to smoke around them obviously I have no right to demand, I have no problem in someone smoking beside me. As I said in my first post a little bit of compromise goes a long long long way! Anyway im done now as repeating the same point to you over and over again is getting frankly stupid.

You have no right to demand, but you said you'd rip into them?

You'd get laughed at.

Man In The Nip · 18-05-2014 11:48PM

Eugh. I can picture it now. The uppity snot nosed middle class family and the mother with auburn colored hair and Paco Rabanne sunglasses leading the verbal charge.

Suck a fat one love.

Dyr · 19-05-2014 12:37AM

Pwindedd wrote: »

In answer to your first question - yes many times, just not in this country,

Just not in this country? Grand so, your argument is invalid.

Stay out of my way from now on :mad:

Pwindedd · 19-05-2014 12:44AM

Bambi wrote: »

Just not in this country? Grand so, your argument is invalid.

Stay out of my way from now on :mad:

Seriously ? why so angry.

There are beer gardens in this country that cater for children. I've posted links. I've just not been in any of them. I just assumed they existed, which they do.

twowheelsonly · 19-05-2014 01:48AM

TireeTerror wrote: »

All of the people who smoke should be lined up and the kids can throw stones at them until they die a slow and painful death. Thats what smoking causes anyway, so there is no difference. BAN SMOKING EVERYWHERE.

Did you know that it's a proven statistic that 100% of non-smokers die ???

lollsangel wrote: »

A beer garden however is not just for smokers! ! Some establishments have larger beer gardens than others, some have outside areas that you can eat at. And I would feel perfectly within my rights to ask someone not to smoke around me or my kids if im in that area first...8bviously if its one of these pubs that has a tiny area that really was only converted in the ban fair enough, but I know of a few that have a nice sized beer garden, and if theres no need to smoke near a family, why would you?

Strangely enough very few of these places even had beer gardens priior to the indoor smoking ban. Most were built and designed to retain the smokers custom, not to attract families and children.

ratmouse wrote: »

Well I did use the words "Tobacco free Ireland" so I don't know how you didn't get that that first time. As for the tax, well there will be long term, down the line, savings for the health sector when tobacco related illness rates decrease, as per the one of the objectives of a tobacco free society.

The last figures I can find (2009) for Tobacco Tax income was €1.171 billion which is a fair contribution from smokers towards their own healthcare, in particular as they're all going to die early due to their smoking which in turn means they won't need healthcare in their old age!!!! That works out at €3.2 million per day BTW.
I doubt very much that the HSE spend on smokers is even close to that figure.

Shanotheslayer · 19-05-2014 02:33AM

lollsangel wrote: »

Yea however most decent ppl if they are asked wont smoke beside esp kids. I have every right to ask someone not to smoke around them obviously I have no right to demand, I have no problem in someone smoking beside me. As I said in my first post a little bit of compromise goes a long long long way! Anyway im done now as repeating the same point to you over and over again is getting frankly stupid.

Out of curiosity, if you were in a beer garden having food and someone was beside you and said "Sorry would you mind moving, the smell is making me sick" Would you?

Demosthenese · 19-05-2014 03:26AM

As a parent of 3 young kids - i'd not even venture into a beer garden as well all know its the collection point for smokers. I'd especially not go in there are ask for people to not smoke! Hilarious that they asked and that you accepted! That said, i rather like beer gardens and its sad that i can't go in there without smelling like an ashtray. I am not a fan of kids in pubs in general but it's nice to go there for some pub grub and a few pints ... its a national past time of course and i am delighted we can do it in this country with no smokers inside anymore.

Just to be clear i am not anti smokers ... just anti smoke. A pastime for the weak willed.

reddevilfan · 19-05-2014 04:31AM

When I was growing up in inner city Dublin, Many families brought their kids to the pub etc. I can still remember the bottles of orange we used to get and the sweets. It was a regular thing back in the 80s and 90s... Now since the Smoking ban pubs have been a dying trade and to comply with laws they built designated Smoking Areas ( For Smoking )

In the last few years the weekend Carvery & Pub food courses have boomed and kept these pubs afloat. I myself love to go to watch the match, have a drink etc and a smoke in the smoking area.

I have seen it too often where parents bring their kids for a meal etc but then because the kids get bored their sent out to the smoking area so the parents can continue enjoying themselves.

most pubs have a strict no kids policy or all kids gone by 2 to 5 which is spot on.... I dont think kids should be allowed in the Smoking area at all.....

So to some up the parents were at fault.... what where they doing in the Smoke area as its designated area... did they have a smoke and then hope that they could be at peace their alone....

Shame on them.... if it where me and I paid for my pint.... I.would of told them to go inside with their kids

EVERY SUMMER NON SMOKERS COME OUT TO THE SMOKING AREAS WITH THEIR KIDS.... AND MOAN

DO WE MOAN WHEN ITS WINTER....

Mickey H · 19-05-2014 05:48AM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

I never said that I knew it would happen. Making Ireland tobacco free is a completely different kettle of fish. Unless they have some way to increase tax take in other areas they will lose out massively. And i cant see a fat tax being very popular.

They have:

Petrol 437.9 Cent per litre
Diesel 435.9 Cent per litre.

Optimalprimerib · 19-05-2014 05:59AM

I absolutely hate seeing kids in a pub unless it is for food. There is no entertainment for them except running around causing havok. I see it as bad parenting if they are stuck in a pub for 4-5hours as the parents slowly get sozzled.

pwurple · 19-05-2014 07:42AM

What pub was it?

Are we talking the kind of place where its main business is selling food, and is family-friendly (high chairs available), or it is a drunken paradise?

bumper234 · 19-05-2014 08:00AM

pwurple wrote: »

What pub was it?

Are we talking the kind of place where its main business is selling food, and is family-friendly (high chairs available), or it is a drunken paradise?

What difference would this make? Are "family friendly" pubs not also smoker friendly? Does high chairs at the dinner table inside mean no smoking allowed in the outside areas?

Medusa22 · 19-05-2014 08:42AM

I'm quite anti-smoking but this couple had no right to ask someone to stop smoking in a beer garden. That is generally the only area that people can smoke in when they go to the pub and I wouldn't begrudge them that. I also agree that children should not be in a pub or a beer garden, if they are so worried about their children then perhaps they should take them to a more suitable environment, like a park!

Warper · 19-05-2014 10:20AM

You should have said no and kept on smoking in the smoking area where you were. Thats like going into a smoking area and asking people not to smoke - fcuk off

Muise... · 19-05-2014 10:26AM

Warper wrote: »

You should have said no and kept on smoking in the smoking area where you were. Thats like going into a smoking area and asking people not to smoke - fcuk off

Not 'like' - that's precisely what it was.

rubadub · 19-05-2014 10:29AM

fussyonion wrote: »

This irritates the hell out of me. You were well within your rights to smoke where you were.

The majority of pubs I go to with "smoking areas" are illegal to smoke in.

AdolfHipster · 19-05-2014 10:31AM

I dont even smoke, but this story would make me wanna go to my local beer garden and light up out of spite and do my best Gandalf smoking a pipe impression.

Olive8585 · 19-05-2014 10:40AM

I don't agree that beer gardens are for smokers. They're for everyone, regardless of the fact that smoking is banned indoors. A lot of pubs around here are separating beer gardens into smoking/non smoking areas, which I think is a good idea. Smokers can smoke and people who are bothered by smoke can enjoy the sun without breathing too much of it in.

jimgoose · 19-05-2014 10:43AM

Children have no earthly business in pubs. One beneficial effect of the recession has been the end of the "Family Day Out", where Mr. & Mrs. Trakka-Nakka spend the day and night in the pub getting increasingly sloshed (and loud) while the Trakklets run around ankle-deep in crisp-packets out of their minds on sugar. As a middle-aged man coming to a saloon-bar in a sleepy suburb for a half-gallon of porter of an evening, that pissed me off no end. With the end of the money-for-jam they all disappeared back to their swamps with tins of Dutch Gold and Sky Sports. I suggest the good burghers in the OP do the same.

Smoking near kids in beer garden

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