Smoking near kids in beer garden

Dyr · 18-05-2014 02:15PM

Pwindedd wrote: »

You're a smoker, with no rights whatsoever, despite all that extra tax you pay. Go and stand in the gutter where you belong

Seriously though I think it depends on the garden, if it's designed to attract families (slides, swings etc)

Slides? have you ever been in a beer garden in this country that was double jobbing as a playground?

Actually have you ever been in a beer garden at all?

Pwindedd · 18-05-2014 02:30PM

ratmouse wrote: »

I personally would run with the scientific facts of what I know from medical/toxicology background rather than a reliance on info from a Yahooo-style site.

Then share it with us please. Like I said I just did a quick Google. If you have vastly greater knowledge then don't keep it to yourself.

Afroshack · 18-05-2014 02:41PM

lollsangel wrote: »

I didnt say in a smoking area, I said in A COMMUNAL OUTSIDE AREA, and in fairness anyone who would sit down beside a young child and smoke is a twat!

You do realise that this thread is about people smoking in beer gardens, not kids playgrounds and family park areas? Nobody is advocating deliberatley sitting down next to children and blowing smoke all over them.

endacl · 18-05-2014 02:43PM

TireeTerror wrote: »

Im going to remember this one, a classic!

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ECpmcdje0lo

Pwindedd · 18-05-2014 02:45PM

Bambi wrote: »

Slides? have you ever been in a beer garden in this country that was double jobbing as a playground?

Actually have you ever been in a beer garden at all?

In answer to your first question - yes many times, just not in this country, but I didn't think this was a country specific discussion.

In answer to your second question yes many times - grand places altogether if the weathers good.

endacl · 18-05-2014 02:51PM

Pwindedd wrote: »

In answer to your first question - yes many times, just not in this country, but I didn't think this was a country specific discussion.

Well, it kind of is. It's an Irish discussion board where topics will unavoidably be discussed in an Irish context and from an Irish perspective. Beer gardens/ smoking areas were few and far between here before the smoking ban arrived. That's the salient fact that provides context to the topic being discussed by Irish people on this thread.

Do I detect the subtle signs of goalposts shifting?

lollsangel · 18-05-2014 02:52PM

Afroshack wrote: »

You do realise that this thread is about people smoking in beer gardens, not kids playgrounds and family park areas? Nobody is advocating deliberatley sitting down next to children and blowing smoke all over them.

A beer garden is a communal outside area, not specificaly a smoking area
If you read what I said rather than twisting it, I said id have no right to sit diwn beside a smoker and demand that they dont smoke, but if im perhaps in a beer garden, outside and my kids are with me, we're in an area that no one is smoking, and someone comes over sits beside us and sparks up, yes I will rip them a new one.

Muise... · 18-05-2014 03:00PM

lollsangel wrote: »

A beer garden is a communal outside area, not specificaly a smoking area
If you read what I said rather than twisting it, I said id have no right to sit diwn beside a smoker and demand that they dont smoke, but if im perhaps in a beer garden, outside and my kids are with me, we're in an area that no one is smoking, and someone comes over sits beside us and sparks up, yes I will rip them a new one.

Smoking in beer gardens in Summer - repels insects, children, and hysterical parents. Good.

darkpagandeath · 18-05-2014 03:05PM

Pwindedd wrote: »

But is nicotine harmful on its own. Addictive certainly, but really harmful? I'm not actually sure. A quick google there and the consensus seems to be it's not much worse than caffeine in small doses. The entire coffee industry thrives on selling a drug that is mildly addictive. I'm not advocating nicotine for all but surely an e cig is a vastly better alternative. All the fun ingredients of a cigarette with none of the bad stuff that gives you cancer. It's a step in the right direction and I think banning them would be a mistake - if they didn't release vapour I'm sure most people wouldn't bat an eyelid at them.

Nicotine is technically a poison. But like many its dosage that kills, For example they use the active ingredient in rat poison as medication to thin peoples blood. Same with paracetamol large doses can be fatal. But inhaling it in an E cig vapour form has little to no issues for the user or anyone around.

Pwindedd · 18-05-2014 03:06PM

endacl wrote: »

Well, it kind of is. It's an Irish discussion board where topics will unavoidably be discussed in an Irish context and from an Irish perspective. Beer gardens/ smoking areas were few and far between here before the smoking ban arrived. That's the salient fact that provides context to the topic being discussed by Irish people on this thread.

Do I detect the subtle signs of goalposts shifting?

Not at all. I'm not irish. Therefore my own experiences are slightly different to yours.

By the way outdoor play areas do exist in Ireland so it's not an entirely moot point

http://www.theorchardhouse.ie

http://www.jackmeades.com/index.php?contentid=playground

Jees people are awful picky today.

endacl · 18-05-2014 03:09PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Nicotine is technically a poison.

So is alcohol. And aspirin. What's your point?

Afroshack · 18-05-2014 03:22PM

lollsangel wrote: »

A beer garden is a communal outside area, not specificaly a smoking area
If you read what I said rather than twisting it, I said id have no right to sit diwn beside a smoker and demand that they dont smoke, but if im perhaps in a beer garden, outside and my kids are with me, we're in an area that no one is smoking, and someone comes over sits beside us and sparks up, yes I will rip them a new one.

Why? A beer garden is someone for smokers to go since they are not allowed smoke inside. Why do you get to dictate if they smoke there or not? Surely you see the lack of logic in bringing your kids to an area where people most likely will be sitting, smoking? (and are perfectly within their rights to do so)

mikeym · 18-05-2014 03:24PM

Afroshack wrote: »

Is this socially acceptable? Yesterday I was having after-work drinks and food in a really sunny beer garden with some work friends - around half 7 in the evening. A family with small children came out and sat next to us, then requested that we stop smoking whilst they were there with their kids. In an outdoor beer garden. We agreed to do it, but it was pretty clear we weren't happy about it. Do you think they were right to request that we not smoke and we were right to make our feelings clear? Id' never smoke near a child at a bus stop/ street area but surely a beer garden at 7pm is fair game?

I remember when I was a kid and I had to sit in a pub full of smoke and I had no choice about it.

Those people are awful snobby.

darkpagandeath · 18-05-2014 03:31PM

endacl wrote: »

So is alcohol. And aspirin. What's your point?

I was answering that posters question, I'm an ex smoker that has moved onto E Cigarettes. Is it factually correct to say nicotine is a poison ... Yes yes it is, I'm trying to allay any fears as it's dosage based just like lots of things people come into contact with.

Muise... · 18-05-2014 03:33PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

I was answering that posters question, I'm an ex smoker that has moved onto E Cigarettes. Is it factually correct to say nicotine is a poison ... Yes yes it is, I'm trying to allay any fears as it's dosage based just like lots of things people come into contact with.

Just like fluoride in the water. :pac:

darkpagandeath · 18-05-2014 03:34PM

Muise... wrote: »

Just like fluoride in the water. :pac:

Any pylons that cause cancer :pac:

lollsangel · 18-05-2014 03:39PM

Afroshack wrote: »

Why? A beer garden is someone for smokers to go since they are not allowed smoke inside. Why do you get to dictate if they smoke there or not? Surely you see the lack of logic in bringing your kids to an area where people most likely will be sitting, smoking? (and are perfectly within their rights to do so)

A beer garden however is not just for smokers! ! Some establishments have larger beer gardens than others, some have outside areas that you can eat at. And I would feel perfectly within my rights to ask someone not to smoke around me or my kids if im in that area first...8bviously if its one of these pubs that has a tiny area that really was only converted in the ban fair enough, but I know of a few that have a nice sized beer garden, and if theres no need to smoke near a family, why would you?

Afroshack · 18-05-2014 04:07PM

lollsangel wrote: »

A beer garden however is not just for smokers! ! Some establishments have larger beer gardens than others, some have outside areas that you can eat at. And I would feel perfectly within my rights to ask someone not to smoke around me or my kids if im in that area first...8bviously if its one of these pubs that has a tiny area that really was only converted in the ban fair enough, but I know of a few that have a nice sized beer garden, and if theres no need to smoke near a family, why would you?

And they are perfectly within their rights to refuse your request, as insisting that people refrain from smoking in the beer garden of a pub is unreasonable.

If you don't want to be around any smoke, sit indoors.

ratmouse · 18-05-2014 04:08PM

Ireland plans to be tobacco free by 2025.

darkpagandeath · 18-05-2014 04:25PM

ratmouse wrote: »

Ireland plans to be tobacco free by 2025.

Wont happen, They cant tax E cigarettes like smokes. The tax take on smokes is huge. Well unless they get that sugar/salt/fat tax.

ratmouse · 18-05-2014 04:30PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Wont happen, They cant tax E cigarettes like smokes. The tax take on smokes is huge. Well unless they get that sugar/salt/fat tax.

Perhaps throw an eye over my post again. Ireland plans to be TOBACCO free by 2025. And to say it wont happen,may I remind you of the multiple doubting Thomas individuals that would have said "Banning smoking in pubs? In Ireland?! Sure that'll never happen!"

lollsangel · 18-05-2014 04:30PM

But its reasonable in your mind to pollute a child's lungs bcos you cant smoke 20 foot away? I have no problem with ppl smoking but dont blow it into a childs face....

Fr_Dougal · 18-05-2014 04:51PM

lollsangel wrote: »

But its reasonable in your mind to pollute a child's lungs bcos you cant smoke 20 foot away? I have no problem with ppl smoking but dont blow it into a childs face....

Lol. Tnx bb. De peeps shd kno dat we can bring our bbz newhr witout hvn to worri bout smoke n gd parentin.

bumper234 · 18-05-2014 04:54PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Any pylons that cause cancer :pac:

And don't forget the water meters that add crazy radio waves into the air that could cause deformed puppies and extra large testicles in cats or something!!!!!!!

darkpagandeath · 18-05-2014 04:55PM

ratmouse wrote: »

Perhaps throw an eye over my post again. Ireland plans to be TOBACCO free by 2025. And to say it wont happen,may I remind you of the multiple doubting Thomas individuals that would have said "Banning smoking in pubs? In Ireland?! Sure that'll never happen!"

I never said that I knew it would happen. Making Ireland tobacco free is a completely different kettle of fish. Unless they have some way to increase tax take in other areas they will lose out massively. And i cant see a fat tax being very popular.

Mint Sauce · 18-05-2014 04:56PM

Has anyone asked why the parents just didn't sit somewhere else?

bumper234 · 18-05-2014 04:58PM

Mint Sauce wrote: »

Has anyone asked why the parents just didn't sit somewhere else?

It was their garden

Op and friends jumped over the wall from the pub next door

Bongalongherb · 18-05-2014 04:58PM

TheZohan wrote: »

Lol. Tnx bb. De peeps shd kno dat we can bring our bbz newhr witout hvn to worri bout smoke n gd parentin.

What in the name of Zohan has happened to your text-speak.

ratmouse · 18-05-2014 04:59PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

I never said that I knew it would happen. Making Ireland tobacco free is a completely different kettle of fish. Unless they have some way to increase tax take in other areas they will lose out massively. And i cant see a fat tax being very popular.

Well I did use the words "Tobacco free Ireland" so I don't know how you didn't get that that first time. As for the tax, well there will be long term, down the line, savings for the health sector when tobacco related illness rates decrease, as per the one of the objectives of a tobacco free society.

endacl · 18-05-2014 04:59PM

TheZohan wrote: »

Lol. Tnx bb. De peeps shd kno dat we can bring our bbz newhr witout hvn to worri bout smoke n gd parentin.

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