Should religious induction of children be banned?

Red Nissan · 17-05-2014 11:20PM

D1stant wrote: »

I dont understand this "AH is the domain of the mad ones" attitude. Kind of infantile. Boards is a bullletin board, & AH is a forum that has the broadest and most viewed content.

Most viewed, ? I'd actually have to look at that.

Let's put it this way, in another forum, this post would be deleted and the user infracted or more probably banned.

RobertKK · 17-05-2014 11:21PM

Cazzoenorme wrote: »

It's simple, the parent can have their own beliefs and explain their beliefs, but they should also let thw child knoe that they can have whatever beliefs they want too and theu don't have to believe what their parents do.

Very wishy washy type of parenting.

Red Nissan · 17-05-2014 11:23PM

RobertKK wrote: »

So human rights groups .

I'm an Atheist, to be perfectly honest, is there oil there?

RobertKK · 17-05-2014 11:25PM

Red Nissan wrote: »

I'm an Atheist, to be perfectly honest, is there oil there?

I don't care what you are, that is what the human right of freedom of religion allows.
It also allows you the freedom to have no religion or belief.

Cazzoenorme · 17-05-2014 11:26PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Very wishy washy type of parenting.

It's better then telling them fairy tales as fact.

Dirty Dingus McGee · 17-05-2014 11:27PM

If your parents think religion is a good thing for the child and they want to have them baptized,confirmed etc then I would think they are in a far better position to make this choice than the government.If the government through legislation can dictate how parents raise their own children then surely this would open the doors for them to bring in other legislation controlling peoples lives.Parents make choices for children until the children are old enough to decide for themselves and that's the way it should be left.

catallus · 17-05-2014 11:29PM

Religion is the epitome of culture.

Thus, it is the reasoning of man, in the face of the mystery (yes, the mystery) of existence.

So religion is for adults.

Adults have children, sometimes.

And the adults instruct the children.

To think that freedom of religion should not be a right, which was hard fought for, is the thinking of the juvenile who says "there is nothing beyond the tip of my own nose."

Let's face it; these threads are repeated ad nauseum on boards and many of the posters reveal themselves to be unthinking blobs who seem to have not read a serious book in their lives or indeed to have any used capacity for independent thought.

RobertKK · 17-05-2014 11:31PM

Cazzoenorme wrote: »

It's better then telling them fairy tales as fact.

That is your opinion.

But then some, I stress some people who hate religion also believe fairy tales in regards to religion.
It even led to RTE falsely accusing a priest because of fairy tales...

It works both ways, if one wants to start accusing people of believing fairy tales.

Red Nissan · 17-05-2014 11:32PM

D1stant wrote: »

Wow :eek:

Came home today from one with 600 starbucks you can interpret that as e u r o like in m o n e y .

Ye, here am I talking myself out of business.

I'm not an Atheist when selling services or products, I'll wear the cross, shamrock, swan, or anything to make a sale, it's not too hard, but it was much easier a few years ago before the p stuff.

That killed stuff dead for the last three years as more stories were published.

IMO, for MY business, if they just effed off with the stories I'd not be on job seekers now.

sinead88 · 17-05-2014 11:35PM

I had a very similar childhood experience with religion to the op, probably similar to the majority of Irish people I suppose. Personally, I wish I hadn't been baptised as I now have no way of officially deregistering from the Catholic Church. I do think that it would be virtually impossible to ban the practice though. It'd be great if the age of baptism could get pushed back to about 12 or 13 so that the person is at least aware of what's happening and is able to give consent of some sort. I also strongly believe that schools should be secular, with religion only being taught in the context of historical significance, and the core tenets of all world religions being explained, rather than being indoctrinated into Catholicism. I'm an atheist and if I end up having children, I won't be introducing them to any sort of religion. If they choose to follow a religion when they're at an age to be capable of consenting fully and making informed decisions, then I'd be supportive of their choices.

PopePalpatine · 17-05-2014 11:36PM

catallus wrote: »

Religion is the epitome of culture.

[...]

To think that freedom of religion should not be a right, which was hard fought for, is the thinking of the juvenile who says "there is nothing beyond the tip of my own nose."

Let's face it; these threads are repeated ad nauseum on boards and many of the posters reveal themselves to be unthinking blobs who seem to have not read a serious book in their lives or indeed to have any used capacity for independent thought.

Until I heard of "the Dark Enlightenment", I used to think you were a troll.

Religion being the "epitome of culture" is not this wondrous thing you make it out to be - see Saudi Arabia, Taliban-ruled Afghanistan and the Magdalene Laundries for starters.

pajosjunkbox · 17-05-2014 11:42PM

I'm a primary school teacher. My class are making their first communion tomorrow. It was my job to prepare them for it. The church has schools in ireland by the balls. Religion has no place in schools. It's a joke ! Hard to speak out though - definitely would affect career !

_Redzer_ · 17-05-2014 11:43PM

Why aren't more people Buddhist?

Those guys are great, so peaceful and all about the wisdom. No conflict, wars or hatered there.

See, that's a religion you could really be happy alongside. It's still not my thing, but they're hurting nobody, unlike Catholicism/Christianity and other big, organised religions.

Red Nissan · 17-05-2014 11:44PM

pajosjunkbox wrote: »

I'm a primary school teacher. My class are making their first communion tomorrow. It was my job to prepare them for it. The church has schools in ireland by the balls. Religion has no place in schools. It's a joke ! Hard to speak out though - definitely would affect career !

No they are not.

amorphous · 17-05-2014 11:44PM

It's nothing more than a control system by the elite

catallus · 17-05-2014 11:45PM

PopePalpatine wrote: »

Until I heard of "the Dark Enlightenment", I used to think you were a troll.

Religion being the "epitome of culture" is not this wondrous thing you make it out to be - see Saudi Arabia, Taliban-ruled Afghanistan and the Magdalene Laundries for starters.

Dark enlightenment my arse, just another braindead meme to titillate the unthinking.

Anti-cultural sentiment is just that; culture eating itself.

Blaming religious belief for the awful things that happen in this world is simplistic.

_Redzer_ · 17-05-2014 11:46PM

catallus wrote: »

Dark enlightenment my arse, just another braindead meme to titillate the unthinking.

Anti-cultural sentiment is just that; culture eating itself.

Blaming religious belief for the awful things that happen in this world is simplistic.

Calls others unthinking, follows a religion that tells you what to think.

There's a meme in there somewhere

PopePalpatine · 17-05-2014 11:47PM

catallus wrote: »

Blaming religious belief for the awful things that happen in this world is simplistic.

What else would you blame the repressive nature of the Saudi regime on? What would you blame the Inquisitions on?

Red Nissan · 17-05-2014 11:48PM

_Redzer_ wrote: »

Why aren't more people Buddhist?

Interesting, over time I've discovered that my philosophy is Buddhist, I actually have a Buddha in my garden.

Yes, the duality of man, I'm an Atheist and I have a Buddha in my garden.

pajosjunkbox · 17-05-2014 11:49PM

Red Nissan wrote: »

No they are not.

Huh ?

_Redzer_ · 17-05-2014 11:54PM

Red Nissan wrote: »

Interesting, over time I've discovered that my philosophy is Buddhist, I actually have a Buddha in my garden.

Yes, the duality of man, I'm an Atheist and I have a Buddha in my garden.

Tbh I've read up about it before and I honestly agree with a lot of the philosophy behind it. It's a very humble, peaceful and harmonious way of life.

I've also read up about religions in India and one in particular where they worship and protect nature and the animals, and I'm just thinking why the fúck do we as a western civilisation believe in a 2 thousand year old Jewish zombie superhero, when we could adopt ways of life that are hugely beneficial to others and the environment, instead of all the hate and intolerance our religions seem to teach over here.

It's baffling.

Red Nissan · 17-05-2014 11:54PM

pajosjunkbox wrote: »

Huh ?

I've the schedule here in front of me, I'll travel approx 75 miles to intercept a Communion, if your class is in fact 'tomorrow' it's Sunday, and you have only five or six.

catallus · 17-05-2014 11:55PM

_Redzer_ wrote: »

Tbh I've read up about it before and I honestly agree with a lot of the philosophy behind it. It's a very humble, peaceful and harmonious way of life.

I've also read up about religions in India and one in particular where they worship and protect nature and the animals, and I'm just thinking why the fúck do we as a western civilisation believe in a 2 thousand year old Jewish zombie superhero, when we could adopt ways of life that are hugely beneficial to others and the environment, instead of all the hate and intolerance our religions seem to teach over here.

It's baffling.

This is the type of idiotic nonsense I'm talking about on here.

_Redzer_ · 17-05-2014 11:58PM

catallus wrote: »

This is the type of idiotic nonsense I'm talking about on here.

Wow, you're just lovely.

No doubt your religion teaches you to be so pleasant.

I still think you're doing a great job at representing your institution, though.

Red Nissan · 17-05-2014 11:59PM

catallus wrote: »

This is the type of idiotic nonsense I'm talking about on here.

Perhaps going off topic, ?

pajosjunkbox · 17-05-2014 11:59PM

Red Nissan wrote: »

I've the schedule here in front of me, I'll travel approx 75 miles to intercept a Communion, if your class is in fact 'tomorrow' it's Sunday, and you have only five or six.

That's lovely that you have a schedule and your 75 mile radius sounds interesting but ........... It is on tomorrow !

Red Nissan · 18-05-2014 12:07AM

pajosjunkbox wrote: »

That's lovely that you have a schedule and your 75 mile radius sounds interesting but ........... It is on tomorrow !

Now, today is Sunday as I type.

There are no First Holy Communion services on the calendar. I do not have the Arran Islands schedule.

Pwindedd · 18-05-2014 12:08AM

Red Nissan wrote: »

Interesting, over time I've discovered that my philosophy is Buddhist, I actually have a Buddha in my garden.

Yes, the duality of man, I'm an Atheist and I have a Buddha in my garden.

Atheist here and I too have a small collection of Buddhas. I find them comforting in a kind of "let it all hang out and follow your own path" kind of way.

I don't think we should prohibit baptism, communion etc for minors. Just get it out of the classroom and make it reversible if desired. Small steps. Tolerance for all.

pajosjunkbox · 18-05-2014 12:11AM

Red Nissan wrote: »

Now, today is Sunday as I type.

There are no First Holy Communion services on the calendar. I do not have the Arran Islands schedule.

I never knew a calendar existed but it's Sunday now so my class are making their communion today !

Red Nissan · 18-05-2014 12:16AM

pajosjunkbox wrote: »

I never knew a calendar existed but it's Sunday now so my class are making their communion today !

In Ireland?

Should religious induction of children be banned?

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