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Smoking near kids in beer garden

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  • #32
    gumbo1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 683 ✭✭✭gumbo1


    Not a hope would I have stopped smoking in the only designated area I can when out socialising at the request of anyone at any time. Would I be right in thinking that there was a licencing law at one time where minors had to be gone from a drinking emporium by 6.30? Or was that just at the discretion off the licence holder?


  • #33
    endacl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,443 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    Captain Chaos wrote: »
    Common sense in fairness. Everyone should have an idea of what 2 meters is. A 6ft man is 1.8m. There you go.

    Absolutely. I'm 2m. I just lie down with my feet against the wall. If you're standing on my face, you're too close. Also, stop standing on my face.


  • #34
    Muise...
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭Muise...


    Captain Chaos wrote: »
    Common sense in fairness. Everyone should have an idea of what 2 meters is anyway. A 6ft man is 1.8m. There you go.

    Lie down outside the door there Captain, fussyonion is gasping.

    TOO LATE! aboy endacl!


  • #35
    fussyonion
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,827 ✭✭✭fussyonion


    endacl wrote: »
    Absolutely. I'm 2m. I just lie down with my feet against the wall. If you're standing on my face, you're too close. Also, stop standing on my face.

    :D:D


  • #36
    johnnyskeleton
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,566 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    Have some consideration for the kids and let them drink their Bacardi breezers in a smoke free environment


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  • #37
    DEFTLEFTHAND
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,499 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    It's perfectly acceptable, people need places where they can smoke without interference.


  • #38
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    I would have politely told them that it is the outdoor section and i am fully entitled to smoke, If they didn't like this then it would have been their problem not mine, smug ex smoker #3 :D


  • #39
    Orion
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,807 ✭✭✭✭Orion


    Quazzie wrote: »
    Well then it's a smoking area, not a beer garden. Two different things

    Not in the slightest. If I call into somewhere for some food after a family day out, the last thing I want is someone smoking all over my kids.

    They sat down beside someone who was already there smoking then complained about it? I'd have ignored their request - some cheek tbh.


  • #40
    brummytom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,572 ✭✭✭✭brummytom


    It's stupid, kids shouldn't be in pubs at all, the beer garden's for smokers.

    The other day, I was having a smoke while waiting for a bus. I wasn't at the actual bus stop, despite it being empty, but maybe 6 feet away or so. A woman came and stood next to me, and asked me to move. Standing next to a very busy, very polluted road.

    F*cking pontificating non-smokers


  • #41
    poundapunnet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,119 ✭✭✭poundapunnet


    eviltwin wrote: »
    Kids shouldn't be in a beer garden but just because you only have the beer garden to smoke in doesn't make it your area, its communal, lots of people don't want to be stuck indoors on a nice evening but don't want to have to breathe in smoke either. A bit of compromise on all parts goes a long way.

    I don't think you really understand what a compromise is. It's not "I want to bring my kids to a pub on a Friday evening, AND I want to sit outside AND I don't want anybody smoking near them"


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  • #42
    Maphisto
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    Afroshack wrote: »
    Is this socially acceptable? Yesterday I was having after-work drinks and food in a really sunny beer garden with some work friends - around half 7 in the evening. A family with small children came out and sat next to us, then requested that we stop smoking whilst they were there with their kids. In an outdoor beer garden. We agreed to do it, but it was pretty clear we weren't happy about it. Do you think they were right to request that we not smoke and we were right to make our feelings clear? Id' never smoke near a child at a bus stop/ street area but surely a beer garden at 7pm is fair game?

    I think I'd have told them no - nicely to start with.

    Unless of course they all arrived in a couple of white vans, in which case I'd have probably gone elsewhere.

    Reformed smoker too, though my wife still smokes and feckin loves every last dirty drag. :o


  • #43
    Pumpkinseeds
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,635 ✭✭✭Pumpkinseeds


    It's ridiculous having kids in a pub environment in the evening, frankly I'd rather not have kids in pubs at any time but that's a whole other thread. They had a cheek asking you to put out your ciggy, I'd have told them to stick it up their arse and take their child home. I'm another ex-smoker.


  • #44
    rotun
    Closed Accounts Posts: 303 ✭✭rotun


    I'd have ignored their request - some cheek tbh.
    Yeah the parents have a cheek. But you wouldn't smoke in the kids faces, not their fault their folks are tossers.


  • #45
    Muise...
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭Muise...


    rotun wrote: »
    Yeah the parents have a cheek. But you wouldn't smoke in the kids faces, not their fault their folks are tossers.

    If I still smoked, I wouldn't see any harm in smoking outdoors at a table beside a table that some children were sitting at. It wouldn't be "in their faces".


  • #46
    rotun
    Closed Accounts Posts: 303 ✭✭rotun


    "Ok"


  • #47
    AmberGold
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,235 ✭✭✭AmberGold


    Children shouldn't be in pubs.


  • #48
    Elisabeth Tender Dustpan
    Posts: 81,308 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Elisabeth Tender Dustpan


    I suppose they can ask if they want and you can say no if you want


  • #49
    Ghekko
    Closed Accounts Posts: 942 ✭✭✭Ghekko


    You were there first. They should have sat elsewhere. Neither Dh nor I smoke so We would never sit in a smoking area, let alone have our kids sit in one! If someone outside smoked near us we would probably move but would never ask them to.


  • #50
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    poundapunnet wrote: »
    I don't think you really understand what a compromise is. It's not "I want to bring my kids to a pub on a Friday evening, AND I want to sit outside AND I don't want anybody smoking near them"

    I completely agree with the OP in this case, I'm talking more in general. When I was smoking if I went into a beer garden that was fairly busy and had a lot of kids around I would usually go out the front to have a smoke, it wasn't that big a deal to do it. I would have friends who smoke who think they have more of a right to be there than non smokers though who would think the beer garden was their area and everyone else can piss off back inside but on sunny days who wants to do that. Of course if someone came in and made a point of telling me to stop after sitting beside me I'd say no.


  • #51
    Ihatecuddles
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,986 ✭✭✭Ihatecuddles


    We were in the pub today, just having lunch. There was a girl in a communion dress, having a party with maybe 30 guests.

    One lady asked a table of guys to be quiet, her toddler was trying to sleep in the corner.

    They laughed in her face basically, more in disbelief than rudeness. They weren't even being loud!!


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  • #52
    BearBanjer
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    How dare they.

    I'd have replied with how awful it must be for their kids that on a nice day all the parents can think to do is bring them to a pub. Muppets.


  • #53
    mad muffin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭mad muffin


    Afroshack wrote: »
    Is this socially acceptable? Yesterday I was having after-work drinks and food in a really sunny beer garden with some work friends - around half 7 in the evening. A family with small children came out and sat next to us, then requested that we stop smoking whilst they were there with their kids. In an outdoor beer garden. We agreed to do it, but it was pretty clear we weren't happy about it. Do you think they were right to request that we not smoke and we were right to make our feelings clear? Id' never smoke near a child at a bus stop/ street area but surely a beer garden at 7pm is fair game?


    Agreed. kids shouldn't have been there. You were good not to smoke in front of them though, it's not the kids fault their parents are idiots.


  • #54
    Tin Foil Hat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Tin Foil Hat


    diveout wrote: »
    Kids should not be in beer gardens.

    What's wrong with kids in a beer garden? Why should families be prevented from sitting outside in the nice weather, as long as the parents are drinking responsibly (getting drunk when out with your kids is fairly scummy)?
    As for the smoking, I wouldn't dream of smoking right next to a child. If I want to smoke and there are kids around I'll move away. I'd move out of sight if possible.


  • #55
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Tin Foil Hat wrote: »
    What's wrong with kids in a beer garden? Why should families be prevented from sitting outside in the nice weather, as long as the parents are drinking responsibility (getting drunk when out with your kids is fairly scummy)?
    As for the smoking, I wouldn't dream of smoking right next to a child. If I want to smoke and there are kids around I'll move away. I'd move out of sight if possible.

    What is in the beer garden for them to do ? Except watch people drink and smoke. The parents may not be drinking to excess but others around them will be is that a good thing for them to watch ?


  • #56
    Holsten
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,971 ✭✭✭Holsten


    Tin Foil Hat wrote: »
    What's wrong with kids in a beer garden? Why should families be prevented from sitting outside in the nice weather, as long as the parents are drinking responsibility (getting drunk when out with your kids is fairly scummy)?
    As for the smoking, I wouldn't dream of smoking right next to a child. If I want to smoke and there are kids around I'll move away. I'd move out of sight if possible.
    A pub is no place for a child.

    It's really that simple.

    Why anyone would move is mind boggling... THEY should move, not the smokers.


  • #57
    poundapunnet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,119 ✭✭✭poundapunnet


    Tin Foil Hat wrote: »
    What's wrong with kids in a beer garden? Why should families be prevented from sitting outside in the nice weather, as long as the parents are drinking responsibly (getting drunk when out with your kids is fairly scummy)?
    As for the smoking, I wouldn't dream of smoking right next to a child. If I want to smoke and there are kids around I'll move away. I'd move out of sight if possible.

    It's an environment especially on a Friday evening where people are likely to be drinking to excess. It's also an adult environment where they're likely to be exposed to swearing, smoking and other non-child friendly things. People want to bring their kids there, fine, but it's not reasonable to expect everyone else to rearrange their behaviour because of that.

    People are acting like the only possible place you can sit outside in the sun is the beer-garden.

    I wouldn't dream of smoking next to a child either, but that's a substantially different thing from smoking in the designated area (which is what many beer gardens are) and having some tosser plonk a kid down beside me and asking me to stop.


  • #58
    Afroshack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 429 ✭✭Afroshack


    There's no way we would have moved. We actually would have been happy to ease off the smoking for a bit - at least until they were done eating. It was their expectation that we would stop smoking for them that we found to be really rude. Some people eh? :rolleyes:


  • #59
    Dublinstiofán
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,189 ✭✭✭Dublinstiofán


    I agree in this case they were bang out of order asking you to stop smoking if you
    were in the designated smoking area. Kids or no kids.

    However my issue with this is that since the ban every beer garden in the country
    has defaulted to a smoking area by design. What if your giving up and want a few beers
    in the fresh air without being reminded every two seconds that you crave that sweet sweet
    nicotine? You've really nowhere to go in that case. I don't know one pub in Dublin that has
    non smoking tables outside which would be only fair for all.

    A breadth of fresh air no longer exists in Dublin either. No matter where you go outside
    theres somebody smoking.


  • #60
    endacl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,443 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    Dublinstiofán wrote: »
    I agree in this case they were bang out of order asking you to stop smoking if you
    were in the designated smoking area. Kids or no kids.

    However my issue with this is that since the ban every beer garden in the country
    has defaulted to a smoking area by design. What if your giving up and want a few beers
    in the fresh air without being reminded every two seconds that you crave that sweet sweet
    nicotine? You've really nowhere to go in that case. I don't know one pub in Dublin that has
    non smoking tables outside which would be only fair for all.

    A breadth of fresh air no longer exists in Dublin either. No matter where you go outside
    theres somebody smoking.

    The Old Orchard in Rathfarnham does. A whole separate section in the beer garden, in fact. Also, if you want to quit and don't like the temptation of the smell, don't go outside.

    It was your choice to start smoking. It's also your choice to stop. It's nobody else's responsibility to accommodate your quitting.


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  • #61
    Tin Foil Hat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Tin Foil Hat


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    What is in the beer garden for them to do ? Except watch people drink and smoke. The parents may not be drinking to excess but others around them will be is that a good thing for them to watch ?

    No, it isn't. Which is why most sensible parents would be unlikely to stay in a place with messy drunks.
    People really need to learn analyse their surroundings and act accordingly. Nobody should say, "I'm entitled to have my kids here, so I will, no matter what", or, "I'm entitled to smoke here, so I will, no matter what".
    You don't light a ciggie two feet from a child.


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