Gluten intolerance in Non Coeliacs May not exist

vitani · 16-05-2014 09:48AM

Seaneh wrote: »

This. People buy into fads like Paleo or whatever other nonsense restrictive diet is flavour of the week and cut out everything like bread snd sugar completely. As a result they eat more whole fruits and veggies and unprocessed meats and fish. They start to feel better and exercise more. Great for them, but they could do all this and still have a sandwich or mars bar or can of coke now and then and have the same results.

Super restrictive to the point where you have to convince yourself your allergic to something to stop you eating it as often as you used to is just stupid.

I'm currently off sugar and I wouldn't consider it that restrictive, tbh. It actually reminds me a lot of the paleo diet, except that some grains are ok. But that said, I do think that all of these diets are actually approaching the same issue from different angles - if you eat real, unprocessed food and drink lots of water, your health and digestion will improve.

The one thing they all seem to have in common as well is that they reject the idea that low fat foods are healthier than full fat, and that all those vegetable oils and processed spreads are the better option.

Blowfish · 16-05-2014 10:07AM

kylith wrote: »

It does do that, but many of the foods in it simply wouldn't have existed, or would have only been available seasonally, or would have only grown too far away for your ancestors to access. If I remember an article I read a few months back correctly (I must see if I can find it) if you tried to live on a paleo diet that would actually consist of what had been available in your locality you'd probably wind up sufferinf from malnutrition.

Indeed and many foods we eat are vastly different now then they would have been then, due to farming. As a basic example, here's what a wild unfarmed banana (i.e. what would have been eaten in the Paleo period) actually looks like: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/eb/Inside_a_wild-type_banana.jpg

Piglet85 · 16-05-2014 10:10AM

Ugh. Firstly, I hate to state the obvious, but if it “may not exist”, then the implication is that it may exist also. So this is the furthest thing from any kind of proof that it’s in people’s heads/a fad.

I suffer from IBS. It’s debilitating and affects me every day of my life for the past three years. I’ve done the exclusion diets, and at one stage gave up gluten, sugar, dairy, meat and alcohol for four months. When I started reintroducing things, I had some issues with dairy, but nothing too dramatic. When I reintroduced gluten, my stomach swelled up immediately, so much so that I looked pregnant, and I was doubled over with cramps for three days. I WISH that was in my head, but it’s not. I would love nothing more than to eat gluten to my heart’s content. I love bread, cakes, pasta, etc., and I’d love not to have the inconvenience of reading the labels of everything that I eat, or quizzing the waiting staff when I go out. I still do eat it in small doses, and can tolerate very little amounts, but if I eat a portion of pasta, for example, I will have really negative effects. And yet I’m not coeliac.

I should point out that I have similar reactions to a lot of other foods, including apples, onions, kale, spinach, and lots of other very healthy foods, so it’s certainly not just a gluten problem, and it’s also not just a need to up my vegetable intake.

I do think some people see it as fashionable to be gluten intolerant, and use it as a way to lose weight/gain attention etc. This is really annoying, to the point where I’m embarrassed now letting people know I can’t eat gluten because I know they’re probably thinking I’m one of those types. Ultimately, though, as pointed out, at least the outcome is more widely available and cheaper gluten-free options (although I stay away from a lot of these as they’re often full of crap).

Really, though, what’s it to anyone else if someone says they’re gluten intolerant? So what?

vidor · 16-05-2014 10:12AM

kylith wrote: »

It does do that, but many of the foods in it simply wouldn't have existed, or would have only been available seasonally, or would have only grown too far away for your ancestors to access. If I remember an article I read a few months back correctly (I must see if I can find it) if you tried to live on a paleo diet that would actually consist of what had been available in your locality you'd probably wind up sufferinf from malnutrition.

Sod the paleo diet, just increasing your intake of fruit, veg, and unprocessed foods is the best diet, but people always seem reluctant to do that unless you dress it up with a fancy name and sell them books and stuff.

Tbh I don't think there's that much money in Paleo books/whatnot. The money is in the processed crap on the shelves. You say to someone that you're having butter every day and they'll scorn at you. Tell them that you're having Flora every day and they'll mention how good it is for your cholesterol. Same goes for having eggs for breakfast. Probably better off telling them that you're eating cereal/toast each morning just to save yourself a headache.

I get what you're saying regarding the availability of certain foods but I think following something along the lines of the paleo diet isn't necessarily a bad thing.

kylith · 16-05-2014 10:30AM

vidor wrote: »

Tbh I don't think there's that much money in Paleo books/whatnot. The money is in the processed crap on the shelves. You say to someone that you're having butter every day and they'll scorn at you. Tell them that you're having Flora every day and they'll mention how good it is for your cholesterol. Same goes for having eggs for breakfast. Probably better off telling them that you're eating cereal/toast each morning just to save yourself a headache.

I get what you're saying regarding the availability of certain foods but I think following something along the lines of the paleo diet isn't necessarily a bad thing.

'Along the lines of paleo' basically just means increasing fresh fruit and veg and cutting down on carbs, which any dietician would tell you is a good idea but, like I said, a lot of people seem uninterested in following good dietary advice unless you put a fancy name on it.

I'm betting that there's at least some money into flogging paleo stuff. Just searching for 'buy paleo' brings up online grocery stores and cookbooks.

Akrasia · 16-05-2014 10:34AM

Timmyctc wrote: »

So apparently Professor Peter Gibson, who actually headed the initial research into Non-Celiac Gluten Intolerance in 2011, was unhappy with its results and has just recently finished a second study into the above and has found that it may in fact, not exist.

As someone who works with food products and often deal with Coeliacs and those non-Ceoliacs who 'reliably' inform me if they so much as sit next to someone eating a dish with gluten in it their 'intolerance' flares up tenfold I would love this to silence some of the more vocal about their apparent non-issue.

Linkz
Science yo'

What does AH think sure?

The good old Nocebo effect

Some people will genuinely experience adverse symptoms if someone tells them that they are suffering from an illness even if they are perfectly healthy.

ruth_wex · 16-05-2014 10:46AM

Piglet85 wrote: »

Ugh. Firstly, I hate to state the obvious, but if it “may not exist”, then the implication is that it may exist also. So this is the furthest thing from any kind of proof that it’s in people’s heads/a fad.

I suffer from IBS. It’s debilitating and affects me every day of my life for the past three years. I’ve done the exclusion diets, and at one stage gave up gluten, sugar, dairy, meat and alcohol for four months. When I started reintroducing things, I had some issues with dairy, but nothing too dramatic. When I reintroduced gluten, my stomach swelled up immediately, so much so that I looked pregnant, and I was doubled over with cramps for three days. I WISH that was in my head, but it’s not. I would love nothing more than to eat gluten to my heart’s content. I love bread, cakes, pasta, etc., and I’d love not to have the inconvenience of reading the labels of everything that I eat, or quizzing the waiting staff when I go out. I still do eat it in small doses, and can tolerate very little amounts, but if I eat a portion of pasta, for example, I will have really negative effects. And yet I’m not coeliac.

I should point out that I have similar reactions to a lot of other foods, including apples, onions, kale, spinach, and lots of other very healthy foods, so it’s certainly not just a gluten problem, and it’s also not just a need to up my vegetable intake.

I do think some people see it as fashionable to be gluten intolerant, and use it as a way to lose weight/gain attention etc. This is really annoying, to the point where I’m embarrassed now letting people know I can’t eat gluten because I know they’re probably thinking I’m one of those types. Ultimately, though, as pointed out, at least the outcome is more widely available and cheaper gluten-free options (although I stay away from a lot of these as they’re often full of crap).

Really, though, what’s it to anyone else if someone says they’re gluten intolerant? So what?

I agree with everything you've said! It is definitely embarrassing asking for gluten-free options in restaurants, especially as someone who hates "causing a fuss" or being the centre of attention! I sometimes suspect waiters and chefs are sneering behind closed doors which doesn't feel nice but the inevitable misery experienced by saying nothing and eating whatever's going is not worth it! I must say though most restaurant staff I've encountered are really understanding, especially if you ring ahead and (as us Irish do) apologise over and over unnecessarily for being awkward!!!

Duggy747 · 16-05-2014 11:32AM

kylith wrote: »

'Along the lines of paleo' basically just means increasing fresh fruit and veg and cutting down on carbs, which any dietician would tell you is a good idea but, like I said, a lot of people seem uninterested in following good dietary advice unless you put a fancy name on it.

Dietician might say it but a Nutritionist saying the exact same thing would be listened to quicker :pac:

sadie06 · 16-05-2014 11:34AM

OP, why the rage? It's a little bizarre, and it sounds like telling people they are not ill, (or not as ill as you) has become somewhat of a hobby for you.

I have chased my tail for a diagnosis for extremely worrying neurological symptoms for over two years, and gluten has revealed itself to have played a huge part. Gluten Ataxia can be extremely debilitating, causing lesions on the brain (which I have) and when I eliminated it from my diet, my severe memory loss improved, as did my slurred speech and ability to concentrate, and my over all mood, which was very low.

The tsunami of new gluten ataxia/intolerance and coeliac disease diagnoses is a direct result of the hybrid grains used today, which have a much higher gluten content than traditional grains. Thus, those with an intolerance are tipped over their level of tolerance and end up on the gluten free conveyor belt with their coeliac diseased counterparts, some of whom have absolutely no sympathy for them. As you are so well read in all things gluten, I'm sure you knew this.

The thing is, in many cases, they have suffered for years without a diagnosis, all the while symptoms worsening, as there is no simple test to reveal what's going on.

Show a little solidarity! Do you really think there are millions of people who would miss out on pizza and pasta voluntarily? :-)

kylith · 16-05-2014 11:45AM

Duggy747 wrote: »

Dietician might say it but a Nutritionist saying the exact same thing would be listened to quicker :pac:

“A Dietitian is to a Nutritionist, what a Dentist is to a Toothiologist!” - Dara O'Briain.

... but I take your point!

Gotham · 16-05-2014 11:46AM

sadie06 wrote: »

OP, why the rage? It's a little bizarre, and it sounds like telling people they are not ill, (or not as ill as you) has become somewhat of a hobby for you.

I can sort of understand him being upset. I'd be upset if other people were unfoundedly claiming they had illnesses I had too, because it belittles the very real conditions of people like OP and yourself. Serious things like depression are very commonly and unfoundedly claimed for sympathy's sake.

Here is one big problem I have, people are buying gluten free produce because they believe gluten is bad. Perhaps its good for serious sufferers like you or OP in the long run because your food becomes cheaper, but I think perpetuating lies is much worse. My evidence for this is that many shops have a gluten free section, even small Centras and Londis shops I've seen have these sections.

Now I'm not saying such a section is a bad thing, but there cant be that many coeliacs in the area for them to keep stocking fresh gluten free bread - so from this I suspect the population at large are consuming it because they believe there's a benefit to it.

sadie06 · 16-05-2014 11:57AM

Gotham wrote: »

I can sort of understand him being upset. I'd be upset if other people were unfoundedly claiming they had illnesses I had too, because it belittles the very real conditions of people like OP and yourself. Serious things like depression are very commonly and unfoundedly claimed for sympathy's sake.
.

But can it not be accepted that there is a spectrum of issues caused by gluten, coeliac disease being one of them? Many conditions in life range in severity. Take asthma for instance. You may have a person who expects to have many severe attacks a year, but rarely mentions it, yet another for whom it is rarely bothersome bangs on about it constantly and uses it as an excuse to duck any from of activity.

That's life, and down to personality. You will always have difficult and/or manipulative people who use a condition to their advantage, but that's no excuse to lable all who have it.

hatrickpatrick · 16-05-2014 12:05PM

werewookiee wrote: »

Part of it I'd say.

Another part of it is that their obviously taking in better food - plenty of vegetables etc. Now, if they were to continue that and have some wheat or gluten - just less than before - I'm sure their 'intolerance' would magically disappear.

I did/am. I still eat grains and gluten, just less and tons of veg. All it means is I was eating too much of one thing.

Of course there are some actual cases, but nowhere near the amount some would have you believe. It's like some people want to be gluten intolerant so they can shout it from the rooftops.

So in essence, the truth about gluten intolerance could be very simply that we as a society in general consume disproportionately more bread etc than is good for us, regardless of individual intolerances etc? That seems plausible enough

Gotham · 16-05-2014 12:26PM

sadie06 wrote: »

But can it not be accepted that there is a spectrum of issues caused by gluten, coeliac disease being one of them?

That's the whole point of the article, it cant be accepted if the study is correct.

You are claiming the study is incorrect and I would implore you to contact the author and give him your side of the story. Follow it up, he might be very interested to meet you. I know if I were in your shoes it would be a top priority, I would feel honored to contribute to health research breakthroughs.

Cazzoenorme · 16-05-2014 12:31PM

Gotham wrote: »

That's the whole point of the article, it cant be accepted if the study is correct.

You are claiming the study is incorrect and I would implore you to contact the author and give him your side of the story. Follow it up, he might be very interested to meet you. I know if I were in your shoes it would be a top priority, I would feel honored to contribute to health research breakthroughs.

There are countless studies that show that gluten is harmful.

Gotham · 16-05-2014 12:39PM

Cazzoenorme wrote: »

There are countless studies that show that gluten is harmful.

There are countless studies that show that nuts are harmful too... to people who are allergic to them.

Show me the studies.

Cazzoenorme · 16-05-2014 01:00PM

Gotham wrote: »

There are countless studies that show that nuts are harmful too... to people who are allergic to them.

Show me the studies.

robbwolf.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=3868

Chris Kesser has some good info on it.

chriskresser.com/50-shades-of-gluten-intolerance

WilyCoyote · 16-05-2014 01:36PM

kneemos wrote: »

Sorry I'm having trouble with the title.

OK Sir

Gotham · 16-05-2014 01:56PM

Cazzoenorme wrote: »

robbwolf.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=3868

Chris Kesser has some good info on it.

chriskresser.com/50-shades-of-gluten-intolerance

What you linked to me is not about gluten, just to be sure I checked the links.

This link is the only on i'm having trouble with because I cant seem to find where it's peer reviewed, and it does claim a lot of things about gluten being bad.
http://www.direct-ms.org/pdf/EvolutionPaleolithic/Cereal%20Sword.pdf

Phytic acid not gluten
http://www.ajcn.org/content/79/3/418.abstract

gliaden not gluten
http://gut.bmj.com/content/56/6/889.extract
http://informahealthcare.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00365520500235334?journalCode=gas

This is about gluten in children with type 1 diabetes
http://journals.lww.com/jpgn/Fulltext/2005/10000/Effect_of_Gluten_Containing_Diet_on_Serum_Zonulin.232.aspx

This study is about glucose, not gluten and is generally talking about a different topic
http://www.springerlink.com/content/h7628r66r0552222/

This study is about lectins not gluten.
http://journals.cambridge.org/abstract_S0007114500000271

This one is actually about gluten.
"This study investigates the validity of the suggestion that food allergy is relevant to the manifestation of schizophrenic illness."
It says "Antibodies were detected in only a minority of patients."
The antibodies they are referring to are the cause of the schizoprenia they are studying, and concluding that a minority of the subjects were affected.
http://journals.cambridge.org/abstract_S0033291700043312

Nothing to do with gluten, study on bleach in flour.
http://journals.cambridge.org/abstract_S0022172400016624

Link seems broken
http://content.karger.com/produktedb/produkte.asp?typ=fulltext&file=000220416

This one is about coeliacs, who would have guessed they would be adverse to gluten
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=immune%20cross%20reactivity%20in%20celiac%20disease%20anti-gliadin%20antibodies%20bind%20to%20neuronal%20synapsin%20i.&cmd=correctspelling

This is about "Triticum aestivum", not gluten
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12409286?ordinalpos=&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.SmartSearch&linkpos=1&log$=citationsensor

This one is not about gluten either, it's about insulin sensitivity, C-reactive protein and blood pressure
http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/3/1/39

This one is about gluten again, but sadly it's actually about coeliacs.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16423158

This is about Vegetable Protein, Not a single mention of gluten.
http://jn.nutrition.org/content/133/9/2973S.long

Gliadin not gluten.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1774976/?tool=pubmed
http://www.jimmunol.org/content/176/4/2512.long

This one is about coeliac disease.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2886850/?tool=pubmed

Gliadin not gluten.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2653457/?tool=pubmed

This is a copy of a previous link
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21852815

This is about coeliacs
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2323203/?tool=pubmed

Gliadin not gluten.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2923621/?tool=pubmed

Lectins not gluten
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1326203/?tool=pubmed

This is about agglutinin, not gluten. (this ones cool, it talks about how agglutinin can be used for tumour treatment).
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19332085

Broken link
http://disweb.dis.unimelb.edu.au/staff/gwadley/msc/WadleyMartinAgriculture.html

There is no mention of gluten in these articles.
http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0015213
http://www.fao.org/docrep/x2184e/x2184e05.htm#ant
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2036.2005.02506.x/abstract;jsessionid=BCB040A11084442B8198907569C101DE.d03t01
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20136989
http://jn.nutrition.org/content/116/11/2270.full.pdf
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21508840

Lectins not gluten
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1933252/?tool=pmcentrez

So I took the time to check it out, so let me post some stuff to the contrary.

http://www.webmd.com/diet/healthy-kitchen-11/truth-about-gluten
http://www.bmj.com/content/345/bmj.e7907
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn23851-what-if-your-gluten-intolerance-is-all-in-your-head.html?full=true.

"CONCLUSIONS:In a placebo-controlled, cross-over rechallenge study, we found no evidence of specific or dose-dependent effects of gluten in patients with NCGS placed diets low in FODMAPs."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23648697

"Fourteen children who were put on the diet for at least four weeks were then given snacks containing gluten, casein, both or neither. The researchers evaluated the children for changes in attention, sleep, stool patterns and characteristic autistic behavior. The study did not show significant changes in any of these symptoms for any of the groups. "
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Autism/gluten-free-casein-free-diet-remedy-autism-study/story?id=10690766#.Twi7129SQsI

"Available research data do not support the use of a casein-free diet, a gluten-free diet, or combined gluten-free, casein-free (GFCF) diet as a primary treatment for individuals with ASDs."
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/125/Supplement_1/S1.full

"a review of recent and past studies concluded there is a lack of scientific evidence to say whether this diet can be helpful or not."
http://www.webmd.com/brain/autism/gluten-free-casein-free-diets-for-autism

BearBanjer · 16-05-2014 04:17PM

Cazzoenorme wrote: »

robbwolf.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=3868

Chris Kesser has some good info on it.

chriskresser.com/50-shades-of-gluten-intolerance

It's hilarious. People post that link all the time, but obviously have never bothered to look at the studies.

Cazzoenorme · 16-05-2014 04:23PM

werewookiee wrote: »

It's hilarious. People post that link all the time, but obviously have never bothered to look at the studies.

The evidence is there that gluten is harmful, gliaden, agglutinin, phytic acid and lectins are in gluten and they are all harmful as shown in many studies. Wheat is one of the worst foods you can put in your body. There is string evidence that it can cause cancer, Alzheimers and parkinson's amongst numerous other illneses.

Little CuChulainn · 16-05-2014 04:23PM

Timmyctc wrote: »

I really want to see the people who quoted the earlier research when pressed for their "condition"

Props to mah Coeliac homies keeping it real with an actual illness

The worst was when I was informed that I couldn't give someone with "Gluten Intolerance" any confectionery with a Gluten content of 20ppm (parts per million) Despite the international regulation stating anything 20ppm or less is "LEGALLY GLUTEN FREE" and that 20ppm was far too high or them and their condition would flare up if they were t a restaurant and someone at the next table ordered a meal with Wheat in it.

I have since printed the legislation RE: such and I brandish it openly to anyone with this "condition"

What does it matter? You are serving them, I presume. If they don't want gluten, who are you to tell them they are wrong, even if it is just a fad?

Gotham · 16-05-2014 04:31PM

Cazzoenorme wrote: »

The evidence is there that gluten is harmful.

There is scant evidence that gluten is harmful to healthy humans in that list you posted.

It does pertain to wheat and grains but those are not studies about gluten.
It does not give a valid reason for gluten free produce to be sold to the general public in the frequency it's currently being sold at, which is far higher than the rate of legitimate coeliac customers.

You didn't even read the links I posted by the sound of things.

Do you need me to extract every little quote from all the articles before you're convinced?
"
Yet paradoxically, most of the people who reach for gluten-free products don’t have celiac disease and or even a sensitivity to wheat, Peter H.R. Green, MD, director of the Celiac Disease Center at Columbia University, told WebMD. "The market for gluten-free products is exploding. Why exactly we don’t know. Many people may just perceive that a gluten-free diet is healthier."
In fact, it isn’t. For people with celiac disease, a gluten-free diet is essential. But for others, "unless people are very careful, a gluten-free diet can lack vitamins, minerals, and fiber," says Green.
"
http://www.webmd.com/diet/healthy-kitchen-11/truth-about-gluten

Olive8585 · 16-05-2014 04:33PM

Gotham wrote: »

I can sort of understand him being upset. I'd be upset if other people were unfoundedly claiming they had illnesses I had too, because it belittles the very real conditions of people like OP and yourself. Serious things like depression are very commonly and unfoundedly claimed for sympathy's sake.

Here is one big problem I have, people are buying gluten free produce because they believe gluten is bad. Perhaps its good for serious sufferers like you or OP in the long run because your food becomes cheaper, but I think perpetuating lies is much worse. My evidence for this is that many shops have a gluten free section, even small Centras and Londis shops I've seen have these sections.

Now I'm not saying such a section is a bad thing, but there cant be that many coeliacs in the area for them to keep stocking fresh gluten free bread - so from this I suspect the population at large are consuming it because they believe there's a benefit to it.

Yeah but on the other hand, a lot of people can't tolerate others claiming to have illnesses they have because they want to be special.

I have severe IBS and am intolerant to gluten. My coeliac test came back negative, but my systems are severe enough that I've been referred for all manner of scans and scopes and have really been very unwell. I resent coeliacs telling me I'm just looking for attention when I buy gluten free bread. Why would anyone do that? It's a bloody rip off and it makes your life harder. I wish I could eat cheapo bread, pizza and pasta like everyone else.

It's not a competition.

Cazzoenorme · 16-05-2014 04:39PM

@Gotham

Who is arguing that "gluten free" products should ve sold? Those products contain other grains that are also harmful.

Just eat Meat, fish, shellfish, organs, fruit, nuts and veg and you will feel much better.

Gotham · 16-05-2014 04:52PM

Cazzoenorme wrote: »

@Gotham

Who is arguing that "gluten free" products should ve sold? Those products contain other grains that are also harmful.

Just eat Meat, fish, shellfish, organs, fruit, nuts and veg and you will feel much better.

I'm arguing that there is a lot of bull**** quackery out there and it's the reason that we actually have shops selling gluten free food to people who believe they need it when they don't. People are being tricked and persuaded by psuedoscience and your lack of actual research perpetuates it.

Whatever about blanketly vilifying grains, this is not the really the subject of the thread.

Cazzoenorme wrote: »

The evidence is there that gluten is harmful, gliaden, agglutinin, phytic acid and lectins are in gluten and they are all harmful as shown in many studies. Wheat is one of the worst foods you can put in your body. There is string evidence that it can cause cancer, Alzheimers and parkinson's amongst numerous other illneses.

And youre going to find all those things in gluten free bread too.

Gliaden is not gluten and it's not IN gluten.
Phytic acid is not gluten and is not IN gluten.
Agglutinin acid is not gluten and is not IN gluten.
Having a similar name does not make two compounds react the same say.
I see one study that found a lectin in gluten and found it a rare surprising case.

El_Dangeroso · 16-05-2014 04:59PM

Most people who do better by giving up wheat do feel better for a number of reasons:

1. Supermarket bread is additive-filled processed crap for the most part.
2. Most people actually have carbohydrate mal-absorption, and the fructans in wheat are quite difficult to digest. Google FODMAPs, these are present in wheat and other foods and lots of other foods. 90% of people with IBS improve on a FODMAP free diet, this is clinically proven.
3. They replace the wheat with healthier foods

pajor · 16-05-2014 05:00PM

shruikan2553 wrote: »

I saw a great video before, they asked people if they have a gluten free diet and then asked them what gluten was. As you can imagine wheat and stuff was as much as they answered.

Cool Mo D · 16-05-2014 05:16PM

Gotham wrote: »

...
Gliaden is not gluten and it's not IN gluten.

I'm sorry, but this is dead wrong. Gliadin is a component of gluten, and it is the part of gluten that is responsible for the immune inflammatory response in coeliac disease.

beks101 · 16-05-2014 05:35PM

Any people I know who are "allergic to gluten" are the ones that are notoriously weird about food and hopping on and off various ridiculous diets in a desperate attempt to lose weight all the time.

I've no doubt gluten intolerance exists but its authenticity as a condition has been greatly demeaned by an increasing amount of chronic dieters who would give up oxygen for a week if they thought they could come out of it alive and twenty pounds lighter.

Gluten intolerance in Non Coeliacs May not exist

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