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Sale of Channel 5

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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 94,891 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Will Channel 5 become available in Ireland now it is owned by viacom?
    *Hugs satellite box*


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,461 ✭✭✭✭watty


    Will Channel 5 become available in Ireland now it is owned by viacom?

    Been available same way as BBC, ITV and C4, for a few years now.

    Buy a Freesat HD box (once off cost under €100). Connect to existing Sky dish or get a better dish installed.

    Why would you want to have to pay for it (Sky, UPC etc)?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭radiowaves


    watty wrote: »
    Been available same way as BBC, ITV and C4, for a few years now.

    Buy a Freesat HD box (once off cost under €100). Connect to existing Sky dish or get a better dish installed.

    Why would you want to have to pay for it (Sky, UPC etc)?

    The HD version of Channel 5 is a pay channel (people here would have to pay for that).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,461 ✭✭✭✭watty


    But you'd want a Freesat HD box
    A) for the other FTA HD channels
    C) non-HD boxes are obsolete
    D) Does anyone need Channel 5 in HD? :)
    E) Some Freesat HD boxes support non-Freesat Diseqc (i.e. for Saorsat which is DVB-S2 only)
    F) More non-Freesat channels in the future will be DVB-S2 even if not HD.
    H) HDMI may be handier.

    Sorry I didn't make clear why a Freesat HD box. Of course a non-HD box is very cheap, but none do DVB-S2.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 491 ✭✭EdmondShiels3


    I would like it on the sky epg so I would be able to record programs on it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭radiowaves


    watty wrote: »
    But you'd want a Freesat HD box
    A) for the other FTA HD channels
    C) non-HD boxes are obsolete
    D) Does anyone need Channel 5 in HD? :)
    E) Some Freesat HD boxes support non-Freesat Diseqc (i.e. for Saorsat which is DVB-S2 only)
    F) More non-Freesat channels in the future will be DVB-S2 even if not HD.
    H) HDMI may be handier.

    Sorry I didn't make clear why a Freesat HD box. Of course a non-HD box is very cheap, but none do DVB-S2.

    Your post (and the thread as it happens) was specific to Channel 5.

    But if you're branching it out it is/was a strange response to somebody who has Sky. You see the pay channels (sports, movies, others) are not possible on a Freesat box. Yet the version of Channel 5 you're alluding to is possible on a Sky box. So why would anyone be giving up their Skybox to buy the rather expensive box you recommend just to have it recordable via the EPG?

    A strange response.

    Your point D is patronising in the extreme too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,461 ✭✭✭✭watty


    92% viewing time of pay TV subscribers is FTA TV.
    The highest share any PayTV channel has is under 2%!

    People are being "ripped off" by Pay TV. Average annual spend on Pay TV is more than x3 price of a Freesat HD box. Expensive? I don't think so.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭radiowaves


    watty wrote: »
    92% viewing time of pay TV subscribers is FTA TV.
    The highest share any PayTV channel has is under 2%!

    People are being "ripped off" by Pay TV. Average annual spend on Pay TV is more than x3 price of a Freesat HD box. Expensive? I don't think so.

    Again, patronising in the extreme to think that you know better than the people who subscribe and that you know what's best for them.

    The fact is that people are subscribing to either Sky or UPC because they want the pay tv channels and, as you say, they actually view them 8% of the time (you do actually realise that's an average don't you?).

    And because they want pay tv it is also fantastic for them that the FTA channels that they view are also available to them via their subscription tv service giving them a one box solution.

    Your "solution" means more feeds and two boxes (where one would suffice).

    And, as has been pointed out to you anyway, your "solution" is irrelevant in a thread about Channel 5 and as a solution to people who would like it available on the Irish EPG of either a Sky or a UPC box.


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 12,314 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    Play the ball not the man please


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭ftakeith


    leave watty alone

    I totally agree with Watty

    most irish people have pay tv all around their house such as 3 rooms have pay tv

    I have sky tv in one room with saorview, but the other 2 rooms have freesat/saorview and all connected to the one dish and the one aerial

    channel5's channels is terrible
    I have only recorded films, 'under the dome' tv series on freesat+
    no great loss for sky ireland

    BAI's crazy idea of having pay tv for saorview was a waste of time due to the reliance on sky/upc


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭radiowaves


    ftakeith wrote: »
    I totally agree with Watty

    Which is your right - however as you say yourself....
    ftakeith wrote: »
    most irish people

    ....don't agree with him.
    ftakeith wrote: »
    leave watty alone

    That made me smile :D

    I'll repeat, I think
    ftakeith wrote: »
    most irish people
    have a better idea of what they themselves want from their TV sets than either yourself or Watty (with all due respect).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    I think most Irish people don't even know what Channel 5 is, I never really understood why Channel 6 took that name over Channel 5, it would have been different if it was Channel 4.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭radiowaves


    Elmo wrote: »
    I think most Irish people don't even know what Channel 5 is, I never really understood why Channel 6 took that name over Channel 5, it would have been different if it was Channel 4.

    They took the name Channel 6 because it was the 6th Irish channel (Setanta Sports was the 5th) :)

    It was actually nothing to do with UK TV.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    radiowaves wrote: »
    They took the name Channel 6 because it was the 6th Irish channel (Setanta Sports was the 5th) :)

    It was actually nothing to do with UK TV.

    Channel 5 came after many Sat UK channels, Sky One, Sky News, Sky Sports, Sky Two .... and don't forget TV5.

    And it was Ireland's 7th channel if you include City Channel, 8th if you include Bubble Hits.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭radiowaves


    Elmo wrote: »
    Channel 5 came after many Sat UK channels, Sky One, Sky News, Sky Sports, Sky Two .... and don't forget TV5.

    And it was Ireland's 7th channel if you include City Channel, 8th if you include Bubble Hits.

    I can only advise you why the channel chose the name but, as it happens, what goes down in the UK has no bearing on channel identification here. I'm also guessing that the digital only nature of the channel ruled out what happened in the UK re Channel 5.

    Channel 6 was Ireland's 6th national channel.

    City Channel was Dublin only.

    Bubble Hits Ireland came after Channel 6.

    Edit: and just to add: the idea that the people running the station couldn't come up with a name that didn't involve a number and instead decided on Channel 6 just because there was a Channel 5 in a different jurisdiction is a bit of a strange one tbh.


  • Moderators, Regional North West Moderators Posts: 19,179 Mod ✭✭✭✭byte
    byte


    In fairness, if Channel 6 had called itself Channel 5, there would have been confusion alright. Heck, before Sky Digital, many in Ireland got Channel 5 thru their old satellite receivers with a Videocrpyt decoder (that's all you needed).

    Also, with TV listings etc. there may have been more confusion with two C5's being listed in some publications.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭radiowaves


    byte wrote: »
    In fairness, if Channel 6 had called itself Channel 5, there would have been confusion alright. Heck, before Sky Digital, many in Ireland got Channel 5 thru their old satellite receivers with a Videocrpyt decoder (that's all you needed).

    Also, with TV listings etc. there may have been more confusion with two C5's being listed in some publications.

    Whilst that is a fair point it has absolutely no bearing on why they called themselves Channel 6 :)

    They called themselves Channel 6 because they were the sixth national Irish channel. No criteria made them the fifth. Any criteria that might do instead makes Setanta the fifth.

    The Channel 5 UK example given earlier was different - that was the 5th terrestrial channel in the UK. Other channels mentioned that arrived before them were digital only.

    As I said, why use a number in the name at all if a channel in the UK was a consideration. Any other name would've done.

    I really don't know where this idea came from that the UK Channel 5 was a consideration. Does anyone really believe that the execs at the channel were so moronic that they could only think in numbers and as Channel 5 was used already it then had to be Channel 6? That they couldn't come up with any other name that didn't involve using a number?


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 12,314 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    Their biggest reason may have been the 106 slot they were allocated on UPC, which was the only platform they were on when they launched. I suspect they would not have called themselves Channel 5 anyway due to the UK station - it would have caused some confusion at any rate as Irish newspapers do list the UK station in their TV listings despite its lack of availablity south of the Border. TV5 would also have been out. None of us here are (as far as we know) the original backers of Channel 6 so we can but speculate.

    For their first few years they were a pay-TV channel - they only became available free to air when they joined Saorview.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭gordongekko


    They may also have had long term plans to launch in the UK so channel 6 seemed a logical choice.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭radiowaves


    icdg wrote: »
    I suspect they would not have called themselves Channel 5 anyway due to the UK station - it would have caused some confusion at any rate as Irish newspapers do list the UK station in their TV listings despite its lack of availablity south of the Border. TV5 would also have been out. None of us here are (as far as we know) the original backers of Channel 6 so we can but speculate.

    For their first few years they were a pay-TV channel - they only became available free to air when they joined Saorview.

    Again, I will ask the question, do you all seriously believe that they HAD to have a number in their name? Really??

    So when they themselves realised that if they used the number 5 they might be confused with Channel 5 in the UK that the only alternative they could come up with was the next number down the line? Come on guys!! :D

    So why not use a different word then? How about dropping the word channel and using a totally different word altogether in conjunction with the number 5? The channel's bigwigs couldn't consider this? They were that dumb?
    icdg wrote: »
    Their biggest reason may have been the 106 slot they were allocated on UPC, which was the only platform they were on when they launched.

    There's a reason why they went onto 106 on cable; the name didn't come after placement (their working name was Six at the licence application stage).

    Setanta Sports is Ireland's fifth channel - I'm not sure what part of that people aren't getting :). At their launch they made quite a big noise calling themselves Ireland's fifth channel. Any reasons that could be argued against them not being considered Ireland's fifth channel apply equally to Channel 6 ;)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭radiowaves


    BTW The situation regarding the name was clarified in a press release by the station at the time. I've been searching for it online but cannot find it.

    Edit - found these though:

    Setanta launch Ireland’s first dedicated Sports Channel – Setanta Sports

    · Fifth Irish Television Channel to be launched in history of the state

    Today’s announcement establishes Setanta Sports, as Ireland’s fifth national channel, the first indigenous Irish channel to enter the marketplace since the launch of TV3 in September 1998.
    NTL MEDIA RELEASE
    16th June 2004

    Setanta launch Ireland’s first dedicated Sports Channel – Setanta Sports
    All ntl customers to receive channel

    Fifth Irish Television Channel to be launched in history of the state
     Live matches from the English & Scottish Premier Leagues
     Exclusive live rights for Rugby’s Celtic League
     Over 340,000 ntl customers to receive Setanta Sports from August 2004

    Setanta today announced the launch of Ireland’s first dedicated sports channel, which will be available from August 2004 and will broadcast to over 340,000 ntl customers as part of its basic television package.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    You can't call any of these channel the 5th service. The BAI don't issue PSB licence like Channel 5, there is only a Channel 3 and that ended up being the Forth Channel.

    Setanta is a Pay TV Network
    Channel Six wanted to be more than just an Entertainment Channel

    If there is a 5th PSB channel its going to be UTV Ireland.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭radiowaves


    Elmo wrote: »
    You can't call any of these channel the 5th service. The BAI don't issue PSB licence like Channel 5, there is only a Channel 3 and that ended up being the Forth Channel.

    Setanta is a Pay TV Network
    Channel Six wanted to be more than just an Entertainment Channel

    If there is a 5th PSB channel its going to be UTV Ireland.

    You're using a pretty specific set of parameters there :D

    Setanta (and certainly not Channel 6) didn't call themselves the fifth PSB channel. ;)

    But Setanta, as they claimed, were the fifth Irish television channel. And judging by the name Channel 6 called themselves the 6th. That is indisputable fact. :confused:


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 94,891 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    I would like it on the sky epg so I would be able to record programs on it.
    You can do that with Freesat too, series link etc.

    http://www.freesat.co.uk/2014/end-the-spend

    It's possible to do with a linux satelllite box / PVR PC too but not as easy since you need a program to do it as both SKY and Freesat each have a proprietry EPG


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