Man Killed, Garda stabbed in Dungarvan Incident

thomasm · 16-05-2014 09:50AM #1

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/man-dies-following-home-raid-in-which-senior-garda-stabbed-30279196.html

obezyana · 16-05-2014 10:30AM

You should change your title to, Boy killed...... He was only 16.

_Brian · 16-05-2014 10:34AM

obezyana wrote: »

You should change your title to, Boy killed...... He was only 16.

OR
Person who was part of a mob harassing an off duty Garda dies running away because all these mob members are cowards and wouldn't face up to their actions !!

Digital Society · 16-05-2014 10:40AM

"It was also being reported locally that he received injuries injuries on agricultural equipment and then fell into the water."

Nasty enough way for a child to die.

One thing is for certain. These boys will now be caught and brought to justice.

mike65 · 16-05-2014 11:09AM

Died rather than killed is a better description, it certainly sounds accidental, kill tends to suggest foul play.

Digital Society · 16-05-2014 11:22AM

"Three other men have been arrested"

RTE is saying he was 18.

10 years each and be done with it.

20 for whoever stabbed him with a bottle.

deisedevil · 16-05-2014 11:25AM

Digital Society wrote: »

"Three other men have been arrested"

RTE is saying he was 18.

10 years each and be done with it.

20 for whoever stabbed him with a bottle.

Shouldn't this be in the county forum?

I'm hearing that one of those arrested was involved in this incident the night before: http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/gardai-arrest-man-armed-with-hatchet-after-burglary-in-waterford-30269888.html

Digital Society · 16-05-2014 11:27AM

deisedevil wrote: »

Shouldn't this be in the county forum?

I'm hearing that one of those arrested was involved in this incident the night before: http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/gardai-arrest-man-armed-with-hatchet-after-burglary-in-waterford-30269888.html

Who gets arrested with a hatchet after a burglary and is free to walk the streets the day after?

mike65 · 16-05-2014 11:46AM

Sounds fairly standard these days! :pac:

lassykk · 16-05-2014 11:46AM

Digital Society wrote: »

Who gets arrested with a hatchet after a burglary and is free to walk the streets the day after?

It's Ireland... He was probably given a few quid for his troubles and told to be on his way.

Justice doesn't exist in this country

Digital Society · 16-05-2014 11:59AM

Is there actually any truth to the fact he was caught with a hatchet? How come RTE or anything hasnt picked up on that fact?

Ive heard some stupid situations but if thats the truth surely it would attract more attention.

eamonn3974 · 16-05-2014 12:02PM

Would not suprise me in the slightest if both were connected. Place is really gone downhill lately..if any good comes from this it may spur the Garda into being more proactive in curtailing the activities of a certain bunch of lowlifes who are dragging what was once a nice town into the gutter.Less focus on traffic offences and fines at the local courthouse and a few heafty sentences are needed.

Digital Society · 16-05-2014 12:05PM

Right so heres what i gather happened.

Bunch of lads drinking on street. Man comes out of house and tells them to get lost.

They throw bottles at him and he gets hit in head.

Boys run and one gets seriously injured while climbing over fence then falls beside stream and dies.

thomasm · 16-05-2014 12:21PM

Digital Society wrote: »

Is there actually any truth to the fact he was caught with a hatchet? How come RTE or anything hasnt picked up on that fact?

Ive heard some stupid situations but if thats the truth surely it would attract more attention.

Why, it's the norm

Cabaal · 16-05-2014 12:32PM

Digital Society wrote: »

Right so heres what i gather happened.

Bunch of lads drinking on street. Man comes out of house and tells them to get lost.

They throw bottles at him and he gets hit in head.

Boys run and one gets seriously injured while climbing over fence then falls beside stream and dies.

Except thats not what happened based on reports so far,
Guys drinking outside in the street is one thing, idiots throwing stuff at a house is another. Both would be illegal of course.

http://www.thejournal.ie/waterford-raid-garda-1467784-May2014/

The Superintendent was at his family home in Dungarvan and a bottle was thrown at a window of the house.

It is understood that the man went outside where he was confronted by a group of at least three youths.

Irish Times reports:

He went outside after his wife had heard what she thought was a bottle being thrown at the front of the property.

Once outside, the off-duty officer became involved in a confrontation with the group and sources said he was assaulted when a bottle was thrown at the back of his head.

How the man died is another matter, some news sources say he drowned, other say fence and another says he was injured by farm machines

Digital Society · 16-05-2014 01:12PM

Still not a "raid" as was first reported.

mozattack · 16-05-2014 01:29PM

I suppose they will actually go to work now and try and punish these guys, sure they would be so motivated if Joe Public was the victim.

Awful story but the I could use awful in another context, awful that a local pub is being broken into regularly by the same two guys (caught on camera) and what will the Gardai do? Nothing.. don't even answer the phone. Shame

waterford · 17-05-2014 11:09AM

The 3 lads released without charge ???
better pay my TV licence or I will end up in jail

Finnbar01 · 17-05-2014 01:12PM

waterford wrote: »

The 3 lads released without charge ???
better pay my TV licence or I will end up in jail

A file is probably being prepared for the DPP.

This will take time.

And remember, they are innocent until proven guilty.

Dublinstiofán · 17-05-2014 01:22PM

Digital Society wrote: »

"Three other men have been arrested"

RTE is saying he was 18.

10 years each and be done with it.

20 for whoever stabbed him with a bottle.

I agree with this lock em up for 10 years and that will sort em out. Other
Chap paid the ultimate price but if your out looking for trouble more often
than not you'll get it.

If his parents had any regard for him he wouldn't have been out getting locked
On a school night at 2am causing trouble with a load of rapscallions.

obezyana · 17-05-2014 01:32PM

Dublinstiofán wrote: »

I agree with this lock em up for 10 years and that will sort em out. Other
Chap paid the ultimate price but if your out looking for trouble more often
than not you'll get it.

If his parents had any regard for him he wouldn't have been out getting locked
On a school night at 2am causing trouble with a load of rapscallions.

How are you turning this into a thing about his parents having any regard for him? How do you know what his parents are like they might be nice people maybe the son was just a troublesome kid that doesn't mean his parents had any disregard for him there is plenty of good parents with troublesome kids.

Dublinstiofán · 17-05-2014 02:39PM

obezyana wrote: »

How are you turning this into a thing about his parents having any regard for him? How do you know what his parents are like they might be nice people maybe the son was just a troublesome kid that doesn't mean his parents any any disregard for him there is plenty of good parents with troublesome kids.

Your right they might be lovely people. But I wasn't allowed out drinking on a school night at all hours and had rules and boundaries, and hey look I'm still alive! I wasn't a particularly agreeable child either but there are ways and means of dealing with that.

Not turning it into parent bashing session but don't have sympathy for the boys any of them they got themselves into a difficult situation and when it came to dealing with the consequences fled and one didn't make it.

I do feel sorry for the parents for their loss but a lack of controls on their behalf allowed this to happen. I know my mother at the time wouldn't have slept until I was home safe.

obezyana · 17-05-2014 03:00PM

Dublinstiofán wrote: »

Your right they might be lovely people. But I wasn't allowed out drinking on a school night at all hours and had rules and boundaries, and hey look I'm still alive! I wasn't a particularly agreeable child either but there are ways and means of dealing with that.

Not turning it into parent bashing session but don't have sympathy for the boys any of them they got themselves into a difficult situation and when it came to dealing with the consequences fled and one didn't make it.

I do feel sorry for the parents for their loss but a lack of controls on their behalf allowed this to happen. I know my mother at the time wouldn't have slept until I was home safe.

I like you had rules and boundaries set by my parents and yes sometimes I broke them and in doing that I suffered the consequences again I like you turned out perfectly ok but not everybody goes that way.

Some kids/teenagers for whatever reasons choose a different path regardless of how hard their parents try and correct them so it's not really fair for you to come along and blame the parents. They are now suffering the loss of a son whether he was good bad or indifferent is now irrelevant.

Dublinstiofán · 17-05-2014 04:07PM

obezyana wrote: »

I like you had rules and boundaries set by my parents and yes sometimes I broke them and in doing that I suffered the consequences again I like you turned out perfectly ok but not everybody goes that way.

Some kids/teenagers for whatever reasons choose a different path regardless of how hard their parents try and correct them so it's not really fair for you to come along and blame the parents. They are now suffering the loss of a son whether he was good bad or indifferent is now irrelevant.

Fair Point

However whether he was good or bad is very relevant in my opinion whether it was a one off misbehavioural occurrence or not.
If he was in bed where he should have been he'd likely still be alive.

obezyana · 17-05-2014 04:20PM

Dublinstiofán wrote: »

Fair Point

However whether he was good or bad is very relevant in my opinion whether it was a one off misbehavioural occurrence or not.
If he was in bed where he should have been he'd likely still be alive.

Hindsight is a great thing.

robtri · 17-05-2014 09:36PM

obezyana wrote: »

Hindsight is a great thing.

No, behaving like a reasonable human being and not like a toerag is a great thing....

Man Killed, Garda stabbed in Dungarvan Incident

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