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Fat as Fooooooooookkk

  • 14-05-2014 11:18PM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16


    Ok so i found a picture of me in secondary school yesterday and i was looking GOOOOOD!
    I Wanna get back there!


    Over the last 5 years i've gone to ****. I look like crap and no girls like me anymore in anymore than a friend way which is a sure sign because i used to be handy with the girls. Haven't had even a fling in over a year. I had an accident like two years ago and did some damage and have put on about two stone since.


    So i'm gonna get fit and your gonna help, hopefully!

    I'm Lazy and eat crap i just had a bar of chocolate and like 10 biscuits in the last hour and i've been eating all day. Oh and i had a dinner box with three lumps of southern fried Chicken and chips for dinner.

    My pattern is: EAT - - - > FAT - - - > SAD - - - > REPEAT Endlessly


    I'm roughly 16 Stone and up to last September the heaviest i ever was 15 Stone which i reduced to 14 stone fairly sharpish when i realised.

    My healthy weight for my height is around 11 - 11.5 Stone


    I will literally eat what you tell me when you tell me and train when you tell me until i'm at
    the desired weight again.


    Please Help me and give me advice.

    I have a Gym membership and the only thing i cant do is run for an extended period of time
    cause i giggle too much


    Thanks Minivan (which i'm nearly the size of at this stage)


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Comments

  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Post up your height, and what you would eat/drink in an average day.

    You need to workout your daily calorie requirement (read the stickies at the top) and base you diet around consuming less than that.

    Then you need to figure out exercise, but tbh, it's all about less calories than you need.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16 Minivan


    Height is 5ft 10

    And today i ate

    Breakfast:

    Rice Krispies with low fat milk

    Lunch:

    Scrambled Eggs with two rashers on french Baguette with tea.

    Dinner:

    Lunch Box from Chipper (3 pieces of chicken and chips)

    Tea:

    Bar of Choc, about 10 biscuits and a cup of tea.


    10 cups of tea during the day two and would always have a biscuit or two with them

    I'm eating more than i normally do at the moment cause i'm stressed about stuff but that stress will
    be finished in like two weeks.


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Minivan wrote: »
    Height is 5ft 10

    And today i ate

    Breakfast:

    Rice Krispies with low fat milk

    Lunch:

    Scrambled Eggs with two rashers on french Baguette with tea.

    Dinner:

    Lunch Box from Chipper (3 pieces of chicken and chips)

    Tea:

    Bar of Choc, about 10 biscuits and a cup of tea.


    10 cups of tea during the day two and would always have a biscuit or two with them

    I'm eating more than i normally do at the moment cause i'm stressed about stuff but that stress will
    be finished in like two weeks.

    Is that what you regularly eat at the moment?

    Do you eat any fruit or veg? Any foods you hate?

    What about sugar in your tea?

    The only good thing there is the bacon and eggs tbh

    Do you cook at all?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16 Minivan


    Not the regular i'd usually eat a bit more healthy than that. But i'm stressed at the minute and
    find that makes me eat more and uncontrollably.


    Don't take sugar in the tea or on the Rice Krispies. (Do in coffee but dont drink much coffee)


    I still live at home and family are all fat too so thats where the encouragement is. A lot of Chipper and
    take away knocking around some nights and its hard to refuse it when its put in front of you.

    I love fruit, usually cut up a pineapple and melon and keep it in the fridge and have some
    for breakfast but i haven't had time in the last few weeks.

    I will cook whatever you tell me to sort this problem. If it involves eating nothing but soup for the next
    six months to get things back in check i'll do it. But i need help


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Minivan wrote: »
    Not the regular i'd usually eat a bit more healthy than that. But i'm stressed at the minute and
    find that makes me eat more and uncontrollably.


    Don't take sugar in the tea or on the Rice Krispies. (Do in coffee but dont drink much coffee)


    I still live at home and family are all fat too so thats where the encouragement is. A lot of Chipper and
    take away knocking around some nights and its hard to refuse it when its put in front of you.

    I love fruit, usually cut up a pineapple and melon and keep it in the fridge and have some
    for breakfast but i haven't had time in the last few weeks.

    I will cook whatever you tell me to sort this problem. If it involves eating nothing but soup for the next
    six months to get things back in check i'll do it. But i need help

    Ok I'm not the best person on here to advise you, but I can help you make a start.

    In the nutrition subforum here, there is a sticky thread about nutrition 101, here's a link. Read through at least the first few pages, and work out how many calories you need on a daily basis, then work out a food plan so that you start eating less than you need and start on weight loss.

    Rice krispies or fruit on their own for breakfast are not great. Would you consider something like bacon and eggs at breakfast or porridge, or boiled eggs?

    You need to start eating lots more vegetables, especially green leafy veg, but include pretty much all veg, peppers, onions, tomatoes, cabbage, brocolli, rocket, spinach

    Could you have e.g. a premade salad at lunch that you make the night before? I used have a chicken and cheese salad with rocket, peppers, carrot, red onion, spinach and sweet potato at lunch. Or soup that you could make up at home during the weekend and keep in the fridge during the week?

    For dinner you need to have protein (meat/fish) and veg, LOTS of veg, should be half the plate :)

    If you must have the tea, find some alternative to the biscuits :) Or perhaps start drinking water.

    You could have some dried fruit or nuts as snacks during the day?

    That's very basic advice tbh, more on here will be able to give you more info :)

    And also don't assume low fat is good fat, sugar replacements are used a lot in low fat products. Fat is good for us, we need it as part of our diet, and it doesn't pack on the pounds, too much bad food does :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16 Minivan


    Ok thats a good start, thanks for that. I'll have a read and see if i can make some changes from tomorrow.


    Anybody else wants to weigh in with nutritional advice and an exercise plan dont be afraid!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 715 ✭✭✭Newport81


    Just download my fitness pal app


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,912 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    Minivan wrote: »
    Not the regular i'd usually eat a bit more healthy than that. But i'm stressed at the minute and
    find that makes me eat more and uncontrollably.

    I'm not having a go but that's giving yourself an excuse: I'm stressed, I usually eat more and eat rubbish when I am so...". You've given yourself a free pass to eat rubbish for the next two weeks.

    Adding sugar to the Rice Krispies or the type of milk isn't the problem with your breakfast. The problem is the rice krispies. Cereals, by and large, are rubbish.


    If you're looking to clean up the lunch a bit, there's no need for the baguette. It's not that bread is bad - it's just an easy way of dropping a nice few calories. Have a ****** portion of eggs and rashers (within reason) if your current quantity isn't going to fill you.

    I don't even need to comment on the dinner. Proper meat and veg.

    Reduce the cups of tea you have or the biscuits you have with them.

    Basically, get a handle on what you need here and use MyFitnessPal to track what you're actually eating. You have to be honest though or you'll only kid yourself. You'll need to weigh the food you're eating initially so you know how many grams of whatever food you've had for a meal and then MyFitnessPal will be able to give you an accurate measure of calories and macros. The weighing of food is only something you need to do at the start until you can tell by eye how many grams are in the servings you give yourself.

    Everything you need to know about nutrition is in the Nutrition 101 sticky.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,541 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    Minivan wrote: »
    i just had a bar of chocolate and like 10 biscuits in the last hour

    If you did nothing but cut out the biscuits that would be a start. Biscuits are murder. 10 of them and a bar of chocolate could easily be 700-800 calories which is about a 3rd of your daily calories to maintain your weight.

    Breakfast: scrambled eggs/bacon or porridge
    Lunch: lump of meat like chicken or tuna and leafy green veg or an omlette
    Dinner: chicken/beef/fish with plenty of veg and cut down seriously on the spuds. 2 medium potatoes would be loads, i know i would easily pile through 6 myself if let at it.
    Tea: Cuppa and a bar of chocolate is grand if the rest of your diet is fine.

    Tracking your intake using an app for a week will soon let you see where the damage comes from. Avoid the chipper, its grand everyone once in a while but it would be calorie dense and its hard to estimate how much calories is in it.

    Strength work drops fat better than cardio. Get into the gym 3 days a week and do a beginner program like Stronglifts or Starting Strength. Ask a trainer for advice on the lifts if you are unsure. There are loads of youtube videos you can look at also.

    Do some cardio on your off days, whatever you enjoy. Even going for a walk is better than nothing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65 ✭✭Squat Rack Curler


    Adding sugar to the Rice Krispies or the type of milk isn't the problem with your breakfast. The problem is the rice krispies. Cereals, by and large, are rubbish.
    In what way are cereals "rubbish"?

    Op eat less to lose weight, make sure you're getting 200g protein.

    And start lifting, do SS.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,903 ✭✭✭Blacktie.


    In what way are cereals "rubbish"?

    Nutritionally crappy especially for your average Joe who's carb intake is already massively out of proportion with a healthy diet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65 ✭✭Squat Rack Curler


    Blacktie. wrote: »
    Nutritionally crappy especially for your average Joe who's carb intake is already massively out of proportion with a healthy diet.
    How is it nutritionally crappy?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,912 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    In what way are cereals "rubbish"?

    Apart from having a lot of sugar, salt and saturated fat, nothing.

    But there are far better options.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,903 ✭✭✭Blacktie.


    How is it nutritionally crappy?

    Nutritionally crappy because there's much better options even when factoring in the convenience of it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,541 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    How is it nutritionally crappy?

    Rice Krispies are sh1te compared to eggs and bacon.

    200 grams of protein is overkill btw.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65 ✭✭Squat Rack Curler


    Apart from having a lot of sugar, salt and saturated fat, nothing.

    But there are far better options.
    Implying sugar, salt and saturated fat are inherently bad, lol


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,541 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    Implying sugar, salt and saturated fat are inherently bad, lol

    That's not what's implied at all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65 ✭✭Squat Rack Curler


    Blacktie. wrote: »
    Nutritionally crappy because there's much better options even when factoring in the convenience of it.

    Like what? And give proof of how these other options are "better".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65 ✭✭Squat Rack Curler


    That's not what's implied at all.

    So why mention them? I'm still waiting to hear about how cereal is "rubbish"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,912 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    Implying sugar, salt and saturated fat are inherently bad, lol

    Maybe it implied it if you disregard the "a lot".


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65 ✭✭Squat Rack Curler


    Rice Krispies are sh1te compared to eggs and bacon.

    200 grams of protein is overkill btw.
    What is the basis for this comparison?

    The OP weighs 220 pounds and a caloric defecit requires increase in protein:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,912 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    Implying sugar, salt and saturated fat are inherently bad, lol

    Maybe it implies it if you disregard the "a lot".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,903 ✭✭✭Blacktie.


    Like what? And give proof of how these other options are "better".

    Na I'll leave you to your rant.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,541 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    What is the basis for this comparison?

    The OP weighs 220 pounds and a caloric defecit requires increase in protein:

    200 grams of protein is high. It would be closer to 180 if he wanted to maintain his weight, which he does not.

    Rice krispies are a fairly sh1te breakfast. If you'd like to go against established forum opinions then please provide proof.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65 ✭✭Squat Rack Curler


    Maybe it implies it if you disregard the "a lot".

    Implying cereal contains "a lot" of sugar, salt and saturated fat(not sure how you quantify a lot)

    What exactly are the negative effects of a diet high in these three substances?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,912 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    Explain the positives.

    But yeah, it makes sense to have cereal for breakfast if he needs 200g of protein a day.

    Logic overload.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65 ✭✭Squat Rack Curler


    200 grams of protein is high. It would be closer to 180 if he wanted to maintain his weight, which he does not.
    He wants to lose weight, as i said before protein needs rise as caloric intake drops.
    Rice krispies are a fairly sh1te breakfast. If you'd like to go against established forum opinions then please provide proof.
    I would be able to provide a study if someone was to tell me WHY they are bad, not just "because they are bad cause i said so"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65 ✭✭Squat Rack Curler


    Explain the positives.

    But yeah, it makes sense to have cereal for breakfast if he needs 200g of protein a day.

    Logic overload.

    Please prove your previous statements.

    The positives are the same as any carbohydrate meal.

    What exactly is your last point?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 213 ✭✭Callanutd


    Blacktie. wrote: »
    Na I'll leave you to your rant.

    Reading between the lines, the issue could be the tarring all cereals with the one brush. Obviously Rice Krispies and the like (Frosties etc.) are not the best. But Shredded Wheat, whole grain cheerios etc. are ok. Ive dropped 27lbs since the end of January and I eat either Porridge or Cheerios every day for breakfast with some fruit. I try to minimise carbs to a degree but still allow myself pasta and potatoes in moderation. All I have done really is consume less calories than I burn. OP has a gym membership which is great and will help. I just bought two Kettle bells and got my hands on a DVD that I follow 3 times a week and a combination of 7 a side soccer and running has seen the weight fall off steadily.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,912 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    So cereal is up there with the good options for the OP?

    Right so, Mr Kellogg.


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