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'Call female teachers SIR'

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  • #92
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    The argument is flawed because it points out how language develops so the meaning of both Sir and Miss have changed, but if you hold on to the historical meanings of both words then one is seen as better than the other.

    I think schools need a certain amount of authority, Teacher (Primary), Miss and Sir provide that in a small way, becoming over familiar with teachers is not a good idea.

    Years ago I was working in a local nightclub and two of the lads had to fill out some application form.

    They had to tick Mr. Miss. Mrs. or Ms. as their title, they both choose Ms. because it stood for Master, which they believed to be for a young man. I know one of my aunts call me Master Elmo when she'd say hello. (I don't know how she got to my Boards account haha).


  • #93
    anncoates
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,925 ✭✭✭✭anncoates


    Candie wrote: »
    It's only kinky if you're brandishing a cane.

    For reason of discipline-hued kinkiness, I'm imagining teacher being said in a harsh, Teutonic accent.


  • #94
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    anncoates wrote: »
    For reason of discipline-hued kinkiness, I'm imagining teacher being said in a harsh, Teutonic accent.

    Did you not call your primary school teacher "teacher"?


  • #95
    ryan101
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭ryan101


    The best teacher we ever had refferd to all his students as "Mr. XX" and "Miss XX"
    He didn't care how were refereed to him as long as we respected him and our fellow students and didn't interrupt the class.
    He kept is his distance and we kept ours. I don't think the over familiar pally teacher thing works either, there needs to be a bit of professionalism.


  • #96
    Renegade Mechanic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,928 ✭✭✭Renegade Mechanic


    IK09 wrote: »
    Im so upper class I cant even spell peasants. snoot snoot

    You have no idea hard I looked for a pic of a pheasant with a graduation cap on its head for this thread..


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  • #97
    Czarcasm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,076 ✭✭✭✭Czarcasm


    py2006 wrote: »
    I wasn't even aware of a 'sexist culture in the classroom'.

    Is there actually one or is this individual looking for one where it doesn't exist?


    Heh, py you should probably change your username to 'transparent'. This is one woman's opinion who identifies herself as feminist. Her opinion is only hers alone and does not mean that she speaks for ALL women who identify as feminist.

    In the same way - not all women who are teachers will want to be called "Sir", as they will feel like I do that it's quite frankly bizarre, but it's no surprise any more the lengths some people will go to in the pursuit of validation.

    It reminds me of some campaign I saw recently on television where some women are 'taking back' the word 'bossy'. I just figured "Well, that's a bit cringe". I would pay no more attention to this particular nonsense.

    I called my teacher 'Miss' in class, 'Mam' at home. I accidentally flung my pen across the class once (I was sticking up my hand as I knew the answer to a question, and the pen went flying). She stormed down towards me and I knew what was coming, instinctively came out with "Ahh MAM, Jesus, no! I didn't...", too late, she was rapping the head off me while the whole class were in fits of laughter :o

    Bastards! :pac:


  • #98
    pajor
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    Katgurl wrote: »
    At the end of the day it is a teacher's job to motivate, inspire and help prepare students for the outside world, you're not paid to stand in the classroom having your monstrous ego massaged.

    A lot of teachers I had clearly didn't know this.


  • #99
    ryan101
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    Katgurl wrote: »
    At the end of the day it is a teacher's job to motivate, inspire and help prepare students for the outside world, you're not paid to stand in the classroom having your monstrous ego massaged.

    Unfortunately a lot of students think they are there to have their equally monstrous ego's massaged as well, so it becomes a recipe for disaster.


  • #100
    Katgurl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,145 ✭✭✭Katgurl


    dee_mc wrote: »
    Students calling their teacher 'Teacher' reminds me of a hoity-toity college lecturer who referred to each of us, to our faces, as 'student' (as in, passing in the corridor she might say, 'don't forget the change of venue for tomorrow morning's lecture, STUDENT'). Presumably because she couldn't be bothered to remember our names. She was the only lecturer who refused to be addressed by her first name, preferring to be called 'Mizzzzzzz Hoity-Toity'. Bleurgh!

    Exactly; it's very rude the other way too.


  • #101
    tritium
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,793 ✭✭✭tritium


    KyussBishop wrote: »
    And here is where I invoke my earlier post, by asking you to prove your generalization about academic feminists, without relying purely on anecdote's (i.e. use actual empirical stats), or assertions "well it's obvious!".

    My guess is, you can't.

    not biting this time Kyuss!

    Point out where I generalised Kyuss?: which bit of 'bastions of' wasn't clear? Or are you going to do what you've done before in threads on this topic and just pedantically nit pick while yourself generalising in threads where it suits you?


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  • #102
    Katgurl
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    ryan101 wrote: »
    Unfortunately a lot of students think they are there to have their equally monstrous ego's massaged as well, so it becomes a recipe for disaster.

    It's not tit-for-tat, you are not on an equal footing. We are adults, they are not. We are paid, they are not. etc


  • #103
    ryan101
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭ryan101


    Katgurl wrote: »
    It's not tit-for-tat, you are not on an equal footing. We are adults, they are not. We are paid, they are not. etc

    I didn't say it was, do you misrepresent what your students say as well ?


  • #104
    dee_mc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,212 ✭✭✭dee_mc


    Katgurl wrote: »
    Exactly; it's very rude the other way too.

    Well, i don't know about rude, but it's certainly impersonal. I don't call my plumber 'Plumber', or the local priest 'Priest', so i don't see why it's considered acceptable to call a teacher 'Teacher'. In primary school we called our teacher 'Mrs Surname', and when she retired and was replaced by a bit of a revolutionary who insisted on being called 'Teacher' we debated it for days :) She won though!


  • #105
    vitani
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    anncoates wrote: »
    For reason of discipline-hued kinkiness, I'm imagining teacher being said in a harsh, Teutonic accent.

    Teacher doesn't bother me. Miss doesn't bother me. Even Sir doesn't bother me. But we had a Maths teacher in secondary school who used to call himself 'Sir' and looking back on it now, I can't stop cringing.

    'Stop that, vitani, or Sir will be angry.'
    'If you haven't done your homework, you'll make Sir mad.'

    *shudder*


  • #106
    jimgoose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,214 ✭✭✭✭jimgoose


    dee_mc wrote: »
    Well, i don't know about rude, but it's certainly impersonal. I don't call my plumber 'Plumber', or the local priest 'Priest', so i don't see why it's considered acceptable to call a teacher 'Teacher'. In primary school we called our teacher 'Mrs Surname', and when she retired and was replaced by a bit of a revolutionary who insisted on being called 'Teacher' we debated it for days :) She won though!
    In fairness I think it's supposed to be a term of respect and even mild affection, as opposed to a Teutonic sort of job title, some thing like "Sifu", "Sensei" or "Master". I have a habit of referring to (driving) students of "Grasshopper", 'cos I grew up watching David Carradine in Kung Fu. :cool:
    vitani wrote: »
    ...'Stop that, vitani, or Sir will be angry.'
    'If you haven't done your homework, you'll make Sir mad.'

    *shudder*

    Probably married to a dominatrix. Sometimes it spills over.


  • #107
    [Deleted User]
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    vitani wrote: »
    'Stop that, vitani, or Sir will be angry.'
    'If you haven't done your homework, you'll make Sir mad.'

    Sometimes this can work rather well in environments other than the classroom, achieving unexpected, non-academic results. :)

    Maybe it's just me.


  • #108
    dashcam5586
    Closed Accounts Posts: 32 ✭dashcam5586


    Muise... wrote: »
    Ways to troll feminists...

    I know, why not link to a Daily Mail article about a press release about a tiny little opinion by a feminist or two which would be rejected by most other feminists for ideological and logistical reasons, and put it up on AH!

    Flaw: the only people frothing at the mouth will be your own kind.

    Third wave feminism is a load of bollocks, and it wont be around for long.


  • #109
    Muise...
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭Muise...


    dashcam5586 wrote: »
    Third wave feminism is a load of bollocks, and it wont be around for long.

    Best prepare for the fourth wave then. :D


  • #110
    OneArt
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    WoollyRedHat wrote: »
    I think we should return to the use of titles associated with the medieival ages.

    So when refering to either male or female, the student must refer to them as either "My*(M') lord *bows, and my(M') lady *curtsies*.

    Students will be referred to as squires, and the principal as the Wizard.. if ever you are in trouble, you will be sent to see the Wizard.

    ETA: As poster IK09 has rightly pointed out, the use of My may only be used by the intellectually superior or those imagined as such, so the likes of Clongoeians may use My, but the local ruffians such as St. Michaels of Dublin must use M'Lord. Use as applicable. If there is any confusion as to your breed, ask a neighbour or look in the mirror.

    That's what I like about German. The word "Herr" translates as lord or master depending on the context, but it also means Mr.

    Every man here is Lord So-and-So. Or if you have a PhD, Lord Doctor. Sounds even cooler. I think we should adopt such titles in English.


  • #111
    jimgoose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,214 ✭✭✭✭jimgoose


    OneArt wrote: »
    That's what I like about German. The word "Herr" translates as lord or master depending on the context, but it also means Mr.

    Every man here is Lord So-and-So. Or if you have a PhD, Lord Doctor. Sounds even cooler. I think we should adopt such titles in English.

    Agreed. I shall henceby and hereforth be known as Herr Professor-Doktor Rittmeister James Frieherr von Goosenberg. :cool:

    <Removes one leather glove and slaps random person in the room across the face, just as the light glances lividly off an old duelling-scar just below my right eye>


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  • #112
    dashcam5586
    Closed Accounts Posts: 32 ✭dashcam5586


    Muise... wrote: »
    Best prepare for the fourth wave then. :D

    Not sure what thats supposed to mean. But feminism in its basic sense is fine.
    But modern day "feminism" is nothing but a load of shíte and is essentially sexist dribble.
    The people who support it are usually complete nutjob lunatics.


  • #113
    ryan101
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    Why do some feminists think Sir is a superior form of address than Madam ?

    Should the word manhole be changed to personhole ?


  • #114
    Rubberchikken
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    it's sadder still that a woman has to insist on being called 'mrs' because she's married.
    they should all be grateful they are called anything polite by students today


  • #115
    ryan101
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭ryan101


    Rubberchikken wrote: »
    it's sadder still that a woman has to insist on being called 'mrs' because she's married.

    She doesn't, but she should be allowed to choose which she prefers.


  • #116
    KKkitty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,537 ✭✭✭KKkitty


    Seriously what dumbfcukery is this? Do people who think of these articles have nothing better to do? Sir has always been used to address a male teacher and it shouldn't be used to address a female teacher.


  • #117
    py2006
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    Czarcasm wrote: »
    Heh, py you should probably change your username to 'transparent'. This is one woman's opinion who identifies herself as feminist. Her opinion is only hers alone and does not mean that she speaks for ALL women who identify as feminist.

    I merely asked a question. :confused:


  • #118
    Muise...
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭Muise...


    dashcam5586 wrote: »
    Not sure what thats supposed to mean. But feminism in its basic sense is fine.
    But modern day "feminism" is nothing but a load of shíte and is essentially sexist dribble.
    The people who support it are usually complete nutjob lunatics.

    Thanks for that; very illuminating.


  • #119
    jimgoose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,214 ✭✭✭✭jimgoose


    KKkitty wrote: »
    Seriously what dumbfcukery is this? Do people who think of these articles have nothing better to do? Sir has always been used to address a male teacher and it shouldn't be used to address a female teacher.

    Don't you oppress me!! I can be called Princess Concita Araminta Iseult Beefyflaps if I want!!


  • #120
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    The Backwards Man wrote: »
    If that isn't a Daily Mail link I'll eat my hat.

    I lolled

    jimgoose wrote: »
    Don't you oppress me!! I can be called Princess Concita Araminta Iseult Beefyflaps if I want!!

    Beefyflaps kinda takes away from the rest of it though?


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  • #121
    KKkitty
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    jimgoose wrote: »
    Don't you oppress me!! I can be called Princess Concita Araminta Iseult Beefyflaps if I want!!

    That's quite the mouthful so I think I'll stick with jimgoose for now :D


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