Irishman faces jail and deportation from Dubai

rubberdiddies · 14-05-2014 09:58AM #1

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/i-used-my-right-hand-to-say-we-have-to-get-into-left-lane-irish-teacher-vows-to-fight-dubai-deportation-for-finger-flicking-30272371.html

An Irish teacher faces deportation from Dubai - after losing a three-year legal battle against a conviction for flicking his middle-finger at a driver.............

Hayes was convicted of sticking up his middle finger during the incident.

let's assume the authorities are correct and he broke the law. i completely understand that if you go to a country you must respect their laws and culture. what I don't understand is why people still go to these Gulf States where they impose these draconian and medieval rules.

would you be happy to visit such a state knowing that these laws exist?

EDIT: just to add, i always wanted to go to Dubai specifically, but stories like this and some others i've heard first hand have changed my mind for now

wandatowell · 14-05-2014 10:01AM

rubberdiddies wrote: »

what I don't understand is why people still go to these Gulf States where they impose these draconian and medieval rules.

would you be happy to visit such a state knowing that these laws exist?

Cash is king my friend.

And yes I would be happy to visit.

problemchimp · 14-05-2014 10:01AM

No interest in going there, they treat women like dirt.

Boombastic · 14-05-2014 10:02AM

he's living there 11 years. He obviously liked their ways before he got jailed.

no boo hoo from me

14-05-2014 10:04AM

rubberdiddies wrote: »

would you be happy to visit such a state knowing that these laws exist?

Whatever about those laws, being a woman I wouldn't go near the place.
Oh you were assaulted? Well in that case we'll arrest you and jail you for immoral behaviour. You hussy.

mathie · 14-05-2014 10:05AM

bluewolf wrote: »

Whatever about those laws, being a woman I wouldn't go near the place.
Oh you were assaulted? Well in that case we'll arrest you and jail you for immoral behaviour. You hussy.

Thats Sharia law for you.

A1 Sharia.

KTRIC · 14-05-2014 10:06AM

Giving someone the finger from a car is also illegal in Germany, not so backward in my opinion.

mathie · 14-05-2014 10:07AM

KTRIC wrote: »

Giving someone the finger from a car is also illegal in Germany, not so backward in my opinion.

Up ze poopschaften?

14-05-2014 10:08AM

I've been to the UAE a few times and remember one time in particular in Dubai, was walking across a road and literally coming to the end of crossing when the lights changed and (not uncommon at all in the UAE) a jumped up driver blew his horn, even though I wasn't in his way, even though I was just about to step onto the path.

I gave him the middle finger.

Makes me think what lucky son of a bítch I am not to be in jail now.

WoollyRedHat · 14-05-2014 10:09AM

KTRIC wrote: »

Giving someone the finger from a car is also illegal in Germany, not so backward in my opinion.

Somehow I don't think you would get deported or arrested for it. Also, he gave the finger to someone in a car, who was beeping at him

It's a law which is true to a fascist and repressive state.

Wazdakka · 14-05-2014 10:24AM

problemchimp wrote: »

No interest in going there, they treat women like dirt.

bluewolf wrote: »

Whatever about those laws, being a woman I wouldn't go near the place.

mathie wrote: »

Thats Sharia law for you.

Ok.. I have been to Dubai quite a few times..
And, yes... The laws and customs of the culture are in some cases significantly different than what we would be used to in western society..

However,
The city of Dubai is BY FAR the most progressive and "western" place in the UAE area as regards Women and their rights.
They are making a serious effort to balance both the traditional beliefs (of both sexes) with the expectations and realities of the western countries that they deal with.

I know it's a bit off topic here..

But I just don't like people jumping straight onto the "Down with those filthy women hating bastards!!" and "The women don't have a choice at all... They're forced to wear those male oppressed robes of subservience" bandwagons without having some personal perspective or experience within the area..

Valetta · 14-05-2014 10:32AM

Why do people "flick the bird" at all?

Is it to make themselves feel big and important or to compensate for other inadequacies?

Freddie Dodge · 14-05-2014 10:32AM

Wazdakka wrote: »

Ok.. I have been to Dubai quite a few times..
And, yes... The laws and customs of the culture are in some cases significantly different than what we would be used to in western society..

However,
The city of Dubai is BY FAR the most progressive and "western" place in the UAE area as regards Women and their rights.
They are making a serious effort to balance both the traditional beliefs (of both sexes) with the expectations and realities of the western countries that they deal with.

I know it's a bit off topic here..

But I just don't like people jumping straight onto the "Down with those filthy women hating bastards!!" and "The women don't have a choice at all... They're forced to wear those male oppressed robes of subservience" bandwagons without having some personal perspective or experience within the area..

Go away with your sensible post and allow us to enjoy our fun.

EVERYONE knows they treat 100% of women like dirt 100% of the time.

jimgoose · 14-05-2014 10:33AM

I have never been over that direction and I have no interest in it. Dubai in particular is built on lies, illusion and abuse, and the sooner it vanishes back into the desert the better. I'd prefer a wet week in Buttevant with no money. :cool:

Deise Vu · 14-05-2014 10:33AM

I know someone just back from a few years in Qatar. He wanted to get a few scratches off his car to sell it. When he took it to the fender bender amender he was told they couldn't touch it until he got a police report confirming the car wasn't in an accident. This was for a few scratches off his garage wall. His wife was in a minor traffic incident. Their visa to leave (note: 'leave') the country was suspended until the police gave the all clear. He says if you are in Qatar and are involved in a traffic incident with any car with a reg below 2000 wave goodbye to your family. These regs are for the royal family and whatever happened you are at fault.

Add in the international incident involving the footballer who was basically held under house arrest for falling out with his team and you have a region I wouldn't visit if it was the only destination in the world. Anyway, when you've seen one sand dune you've seen them all. But if you're comfortable in a five star hotel whose luxury is provided by people on the breadline, knock yourself out.

Boombastic · 14-05-2014 10:35AM

Wazdakka wrote: »

...

However,
The city of Dubai is BY FAR the most progressive and "western" place in the UAE area as regards Women and their rights.
...

Liberal, lefty hippies the lot of them, compared to the rest of them

steddyeddy · 14-05-2014 10:36AM

Dubai is one of the most backwards places on earth. I've met far more progressive tribes tbh. Being a first world country does not make you civilised.

floggg · 14-05-2014 10:37AM

Wazdakka wrote: »

Ok.. I have been to Dubai quite a few times..
And, yes... The laws and customs of the culture are in some cases significantly different than what we would be used to in western society..

However,
The city of Dubai is BY FAR the most progressive and "western" place in the UAE area as regards Women and their rights.
They are making a serious effort to balance both the traditional beliefs (of both sexes) with the expectations and realities of the western countries that they deal with.

I know it's a bit off topic here..

But I just don't like people jumping straight onto the "Down with those filthy women hating bastards!!" and "The women don't have a choice at all... They're forced to wear those male oppressed robes of subservience" bandwagons without having some personal perspective or experience within the area..

Ah well, that's great then.

Women of the world, take comfort. They will still view and treat you as a second class citizen but their heart is in the right place.

How nice of them.

I'm sure their heart is in the right place when they are discriminating against LGBT people and abusing foreign labour from developing countries too.

So nice of them.

jca · 14-05-2014 10:40AM

All hotels are in this category: hotel whose luxury is provided by people on the breadline.

mathie · 14-05-2014 10:49AM

Wazdakka wrote: »

Ok.. I have been to Dubai quite a few times..
And, yes... The laws and customs of the culture are in some cases significantly different than what we would be used to in western society..

However,
The city of Dubai is BY FAR the most progressive and "western" place in the UAE area as regards Women and their rights.
They are making a serious effort to balance both the traditional beliefs (of both sexes) with the expectations and realities of the western countries that they deal with.

I know it's a bit off topic here..

But I just don't like people jumping straight onto the "Down with those filthy women hating bastards!!" and "The women don't have a choice at all... They're forced to wear those male oppressed robes of subservience" bandwagons without having some personal perspective or experience within the area..

If Dubai is the "most progressive and "western" place in the UAE area as regards Women and their rights" then I'd love to visit the other areas ...

A Norwegian woman who was imprisoned in Dubai after telling police she had been raped won her fight for freedom on Monday as the emirate's ruler pardoned her for the crime of extramarital sex.

Ms Dalelv had been convicted by a Dubai court last week of extramarital sex, perjury and consuming alcohol without a permit and sentenced to 16 months in prison. The verdict, she told press, was a shock - coming despite DNA, medical and witness evidence that she said proved her claims.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/dubai/10195552/Norwegian-rape-case-woman-allowed-to-leave-Dubai.html

14-05-2014 10:50AM

Wazdakka wrote: »

But I just don't like people jumping straight onto the "Down with those filthy women hating bastards!!" and "The women don't have a choice at all... They're forced to wear those male oppressed robes of subservience" bandwagons without having some personal perspective or experience within the area..

I didn't say either of those things
They do give a lot of trouble to rape victims and may or may not prosecute them, it's a law not a bandwagon.
I'm sure it is nicer for women in that you'll only get jail instead of jail AND lashes for being raped, but I'd rather neither if the worst happened

The other laws it has I don't mind about if I were to change my mind about going. It might be interesting to see as a curiosity, the giant malls and hotels and what have you. If you have a load of money anyway!

Didn't they arrest someone for having poppy seeds from an airport bun on his shoe or something??

problemchimp · 14-05-2014 12:21PM

Wazdakka wrote: »

Ok.. I have been to Dubai quite a few times..
And, yes... The laws and customs of the culture are in some cases significantly different than what we would be used to in western society..

However,
The city of Dubai is BY FAR the most progressive and "western" place in the UAE area as regards Women and their rights.
They are making a serious effort to balance both the traditional beliefs (of both sexes) with the expectations and realities of the western countries that they deal with.

I know it's a bit off topic here..

But I just don't like people jumping straight onto the "Down with those filthy women hating bastards!!" and "The women don't have a choice at all... They're forced to wear those male oppressed robes of subservience" bandwagons without having some personal perspective or experience within the area..

Women’s Rights

The UAE adjudicates family law and personal status matters for Muslims pursuant to interpretations of Islamic law, with no option to seek adjudication pursuant to a civil code. The law in particular discriminates against women by granting men privileged status in matters of divorce, inheritance, and child custody.Emirati women can obtain a divorce through khul’a (a no-fault divorce) thereby losing their financial rights. They may only ask for a divorce in exceptional circumstances. Females can only inherit one-third of assets while men are entitled to inherit two-thirds.
The law further discriminates against women by permitting Emirati men, but not women, to have as many as four polygamous marriages and forbidding Muslim women, but not men, from marrying non-Muslims. Emirati women married to non-citizens do not automatically pass citizenship to their children, a right enjoyed by Emirati men married to foreign spouses.
Despite the existence of shelters and hotlines to help protect women, domestic violence remains a pervasive problem.The penal code gives men the legal right to discipline their wives and children, including through the use of physical violence.The Federal Supreme Court has upheld a husband’s right to “chastise” his wife and children with physical abuse.
In the September elections 85 women out of 450 ran for 20 FNC seats. Only one woman was voted into office.

Human rights watch report, have a read.
Giving your wife and kids a few digs is very progressive.

problemchimp · 14-05-2014 12:24PM

floggg wrote: »

Ah well, that's great then.

Women of the world, take comfort. They will still view and treat you as a second class citizen but their heart is in the right place.

How nice of them.

I'm sure their heart is in the right place when they are discriminating against LGBT people and abusing foreign labour from developing countries too.

So nice of them.

Good user name!

AlanG · 14-05-2014 12:28PM

Haven spoken with a friend who lives there it is pretty much a three level apartheid system.
Emiratis on top, Europeans in the middle and Sri-Lankins/Indians below.
If an Emirati accuses you of anything you have no hope of any justice.

Wazdakka · 14-05-2014 12:51PM

floggg wrote: »

Ah well, that's great then.

Women of the world, take comfort. They will still view and treat you as a second class citizen but their heart is in the right place.

How nice of them.

I'm sure their heart is in the right place when they are discriminating against LGBT people and abusing foreign labour from developing countries too.

So nice of them.

problemchimp wrote: »

Women’s Rights.....

Human rights watch report, have a read.
Giving your wife and kids a few digs is very progressive.

I'm not saying that I think what is being done over there is correct,
or that I agree with it in any way..

But.. We have absolutely Zero right to judge it.

It is not our society... It's theirs.

We might disagree with it.. We might find it abhorrent and deplorable when compared to the moral values that we grew up with..
But...
Judging other people by your personal "moral compass" is neither fair nor objective.

It's the exact same as, a person in a middle eastern area being disgusted and fundamentally offended at the liberal practices and (in his view) morally bankrupt activity of the western world.

From his point of view, he wants the world changed so that it operates on his level.
With the morality and values that he knows.
And I guarantee that he feels as strongly as us, and from his view, his point is as (if not more) valid..

Any judging has to reflect the contextual analysis of the specific situation..

I just feel that a lot of people who claim to be progressive and anti discriminatory thinkers, jump onto the "Those people are wrong because I'm right!!" Bandwagon very quickly.

suicide_circus · 14-05-2014 12:53PM

The sooner the oil runs out on these cünts, the better. Then they can return to their desert ways without westerners interfering. Backward medevial citadels built on the corpses of poor foreign workers dressed up as modern playgrounds for their crass and classless citizens.

Zebra3 · 14-05-2014 12:58PM

problemchimp wrote: »

No interest in going there, they treat women like dirt.

Whereas here we don't prosecute those who facilitated and protected child rapists.

Some still in the RC Church given airtime by our taxpayer funded tv news.

suicide_circus · 14-05-2014 01:00PM

Zebra3 wrote: »

Whereas here we don't prosecute those who facilitated and protected child rapists.

Some still in the RC Church given airtime by our taxpayer funded tv news.

Ah change the ****ing tune

problemchimp · 14-05-2014 01:01PM

Zebra3 wrote: »

Whereas here we don't prosecute those who facilitated and protected child rapists.

Some still in the RC Church given airtime by our taxpayer funded tv news.

I agree with you there but that doesn't change my view on my original post. What's your point and why am I quoted in it?

Zebra3 · 14-05-2014 01:06PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Ah change the ****ing tune

Why should I?

problemchimp wrote: »

I agree with you there but that doesn't change my view on my original post. What's your point and why am I quoted in it?

You made the point about the lack of women's rights in Dubai.

And you're right too.

But some people (and I'm not saying you're one of them) tend to forget about how badly we have allowed children to be treated here.

I Heart Internet · 14-05-2014 01:09PM

Zebra3 wrote: »

You made the point about the lack of women's rights in Dubai.

And you're right too.

But some people (and I'm not saying you're one of them) tend to forget about how badly we have allowed children to be treated here.

Clue is in the tense you used there Zebra.

How long shoul done not visit a country because of past failings?

Should I cancel my flight to Berlin next month?

Irishman faces jail and deportation from Dubai

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