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!!! Warning to TV Licence Inspectors !!!

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  • #62
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    Kate!!! wrote: »
    There should be no warning !!! If you have a tv get a licence !!!

    NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  • #63
    BBDBB
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,899 ✭✭✭✭BBDBB


    Kate!!! wrote: »
    There should be no warning !!! If you have a tv get a licence !!!



    they should sell them with the tv at the electrical shop


  • #64
    Kate!!!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46 ✭Kate!!!


    bumper234 wrote: »
    NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Then prepare for a fine or better yet jail time !!!


  • #65
    Dia1988
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,246 ✭✭✭Dia1988


    I remember my housemate answered to a TV licence inspector and when he realised who he had,
    He made it obvious to read a text message and the went into hysterics shouting,

    'Im going to be a Dad, a Dad......

    And got his keys and sped away in his car leaving the TV licence feeling bemused.

    Og course, the guy didnt even have a girlfriend or having a baby that he knew of,


  • #66
    listermint
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,675 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    BBDBB wrote: »
    they should sell them with the tv at the electrical shop

    Why would they do that?? Sure then An Post employees wouldnt get their cosy money in their pocket for collecting it.

    Some folks in here are utterly naive, It is hilarious.

    Value for money my back side.


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  • #67
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Someone mentioned early on in the thread about getting a monitor instead. I've looked high and low for an affordable option that's 32" or more. Very hard to come by it seems. Any ideas or links?

    Best I can find.


  • #68
    rubadub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,387 ✭✭✭✭rubadub


    listermint wrote: »
    If your peddling that 'trollix' then you really need to take a reality check
    Jesus, you think I need the reality check. Do you really think tax & tv licence evasion and the likelihood of future evasion has zero impact on what they charge?!? the rate of evasion is huge. If not added directly to the tv licence the shortfall still has to be made up from other forms of taxation. Its a moot point how they get the shortfall.

    If people are not paying they are effectively robbing from their neighbours & friends who do, they can stick their head in the sand all they want, but deep down they know they are robbing cunts. if they genuinely did feel strongly about the issue they would contact their local TD, rather than just hide behind the curtain like a cowardly fucker.

    http://www.irishexaminer.com/viewpoints/yourview/the-cost-of-unpaid-tv-licences-242724.html
    Thursday, September 12, 2013

    Of the 16 EU member states who have a television licence, the €160 charge in Ireland is the sixth most expensive. But €60 of this subsidises ‘free’ television licences, not paid from central taxation and corporation tax, which RTÉ is liable for on the income it receives as a ‘grant-in-aid’ derived from the public.

    Last year, 24% of the cost of our public service broadcasting was funded by central taxation to compensate for ‘free’ television licences.

    As I said before, I would like a subscription service, I am against the tv licence.


  • #69
    BBDBB
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,899 ✭✭✭✭BBDBB


    listermint wrote: »
    Why would they do that?? Sure then An Post employees wouldnt get their cosy money in their pocket for collecting it.

    Some folks in here are utterly naive, It is hilarious.

    Value for money my back side.

    It seems a less onerous and less expensive way of dealing with the problem of non payers would be the main reasons


  • #70
    dashcam5586
    Closed Accounts Posts: 32 ✭dashcam5586


    What happens if you just dont answer your door at all?
    Can they do anything if you refuse?


  • #71
    Ruu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,622 ✭✭✭Ruu


    Could YOU *points at OP* live with the shame? (probably :p)


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  • #72
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    Kate!!! wrote: »
    Then prepare for a fine or better yet jail time !!!

    No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  • #73
    dickwod1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,101 ✭✭✭dickwod1


    dashcam5586 wrote: »
    What happens if you just dont answer your door at all?
    Can they do anything if you refuse?

    NOPE not a thing, No law saying you must answer your door - No law saying that you must give them your name if you do!


  • #74
    listermint
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,675 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    rubadub wrote: »
    Jesus, you think I need the reality check. Do you really think tax & tv licence evasion and the likelihood of future evasion has zero impact on what they charge?!? the rate of evasion is huge. If not added directly to the tv licence the shortfall still has to be made up from other forms of taxation.

    If people are not paying they are effectively robbing from their neighbours & friends who do, they can stick their head in the sand all they want, but deep down they know they are robbing cunts. if they genuinely did feel strongly about the issue they would contact their local TD, rather than just hide behind the curtain like a cowardly fucker.

    http://www.irishexaminer.com/viewpoints/yourview/the-cost-of-unpaid-tv-licences-242724.html


    As I said before, I would like a subscription service, I am against the tv licence.
    BBDBB wrote: »
    It seems a less onerous and less expensive way of dealing with the problem of non payers would be the main reasons

    I dont need a reality check. Pull out all the stats you like.

    We are stuck in a union deal with An Post for collection. Just like Vehicle Tax in this country it, doesnt matter what compliance is there and how efficient the system is. Its only there to pay for something or other.

    None of these charges are ring fenced for anything. Sure didnt they close down most of the Motor Tax offices across the country. Do you think we seen any effective change in the cost of Administering that ? no... In fact motor tax went up for those lucky enough to afford a post 08 car. And well everyone else can lump it on ridiculously high rates.

    As for this TV license, thats not going down no matter how much compliance you get. And the fact that you believe compliance keeps it high..

    Well i have to scratch my head with some folks.


  • #75
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 57,077 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    TV Licence Inspector -- " I'm looking for your licence".

    Householder -- " Come on in and i'll give you a hand ".


  • #76
    Knasher
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,370 ✭✭✭Knasher


    They should encrypt the signal and sell a subscription to the people who actually want to watch RTE. Instantly an end to people "stealing" RTE, people being convicted at considerable cost to the state, and people being forced to pay for a service that they have no interest in receiving. Since the switch to digital, pretty much every TV already includes the ability to decrypt this signal.

    The reason that this will never happen is because nobody is under the illusion that RTE would survive if it was optional. It simply isn't competitive so we are all forced to be its customers in order to prop it up.


  • #77
    SaveOurLyric
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,138 ✭✭✭SaveOurLyric


    Is the original post grounds for prosecuting the poster for intimidation ?


  • #78
    Mr.Micro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,335 ✭✭✭Mr.Micro


    Knasher wrote: »
    They should encrypt the signal and sell a subscription to the people who actually want to watch RTE. Instantly an end to people "stealing" RTE, people being convicted at considerable cost to the state, and people being forced to pay for a service that they have no interest in receiving. Since the switch to digital, pretty much every TV already includes the ability to decrypt this signal.

    The reason that this will never happen is because nobody is under the illusion that RTE would survive if it was optional. It simply isn't competitive so we are all forced to be its customers in order to prop it up.

    We have to keep that huge stable of RTE staff in jobs and the style they are used to.


  • #79
    _Redzer_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,056 ✭✭✭_Redzer_


    Tell ya what, rte, make your service a subscription plan so you only sign up if you want to watch rte.

    Oh that's right, they know nobody would ever subscribe to that crap so they make it mandatory for everyone...

    And what if you've already got sky with rte on it. Wtf would you have to pay for it twice?


  • #80
    c_man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,436 ✭✭✭c_man


    tayto lover wrote: »
    TV Licence Inspector -- " I'm looking for your licence".

    Householder -- " Come on in and i'll give you as hand ".

    *porn music*

    :eek:


  • #81
    dashcam5586
    Closed Accounts Posts: 32 ✭dashcam5586


    dickwod1 wrote: »
    NOPE not a thing, No law saying you must answer your door - No law saying that you must give them your name if you do!

    Brilliant. Sorted so, just not going to answer the door to people I dont know in the future.
    Look through the peep hole....and walk away.


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  • #82
    rubadub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,387 ✭✭✭✭rubadub


    listermint wrote: »
    As for this TV license, thats not going down no matter how much compliance you get. And the fact that you believe compliance keeps it high..

    Well i have to scratch my head with some folks.
    Scratch some more, it might get something working inside. I am not saying the licence will go down, compliance might make future increases less though. But I am really saying the shortfall has to come from somewhere. You seem to be making out like its a victimless crime, that non-payment makes zero difference to anybody.

    If people could simply hide behind curtains and not pay income tax, and non-compliance was 24%, do you also think this would have no effect on other taxes?

    I can't understand how someone could deny this, unless you are just hiding behind semantics or something.

    I hate paying my licence fee, but I am not about to effectively rob my family & friends. I am also disgusted with the current collection method, squandering money all over the place.
    Knasher wrote: »
    The reason that this will never happen is because nobody is under the illusion that RTE would survive if it was optional.
    _Redzer_ wrote: »
    Oh that's right, they know nobody would ever subscribe to that crap so they make it mandatory for everyone...
    They have investigated this before.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television_licensing_in_the_Republic_of_Ireland
    A survey of public attitudes to public-sector broadcasting was carried out by the Economic and Social Research Institute in 2004.[31] The authors noted that "public discontent at the level and inherently regressive nature of the ad rem licence fee is noticeable by its absence, particularly in contrast to the difficulties associated with the introduction of some ad rem service charges, e.g. bin and water charges."[31] The associated opinion poll recorded agree:disagree percentages of 54:29 for the statement "Public Broadcasting should be financed by the licence fee."[32] Respondents were asked what level of monthly fee they would be prepared to pay to receive RTÉ if subscription access were hypothetically to replace the licence fee: the annualised mean and median household figures were €180 and €252.60, compared to the then licence fee of €150, with those who frequently watched RTÉ programs most willing to pay


  • #83
    BBDBB
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,899 ✭✭✭✭BBDBB


    listermint wrote: »
    I dont need a reality check. Pull out all the stats you like.

    We are stuck in a union deal with An Post for collection. Just like Vehicle Tax in this country it, doesnt matter what compliance is there and how efficient the system is. Its only there to pay for something or other.

    None of these charges are ring fenced for anything. Sure didnt they close down most of the Motor Tax offices across the country. Do you think we seen any effective change in the cost of Administering that ? no... In fact motor tax went up for those lucky enough to afford a post 08 car. And well everyone else can lump it on ridiculously high rates.

    As for this TV license, thats not going down no matter how much compliance you get. And the fact that you believe compliance keeps it high..

    Well i have to scratch my head with some folks.


    Fair enough. All valid reasons why it wont happen

    It doesn't change the fact that it would be a more efficient and less onerous way to collect it.


  • #84
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,784 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    BBDBB wrote: »
    Fair enough. All valid reasons why it wont happen

    It doesn't change the fact that it would be a more efficient and less onerous way to collect it.

    What is onerous about it? You can pay over the phone or online if you think it is too burdensome to go to the Post Office. On your original plan, would you hit a woman if they sent out a female inspector?


  • #85
    Maphisto
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,014 ✭✭✭Maphisto


    uch wrote: »
    They certainly wont, my brother had to bring the inspector into his house and show him around before he'd believe that there was no telly in the house

    No you don't. The Inspector needs to report that he has evidence of a TV set. Now assuming there is not the Eastenders theme heard blaring out the front window, he has no evidence.

    He has two alternatives then, record a "No Set" declaration or obtain a warrant to search the premises for a set that may or may not work when he finds. Given that these are not the highest paid people in the country which would you choose?


  • #86
    BBDBB
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,899 ✭✭✭✭BBDBB


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    What is onerous about it? You can pay over the phone or online if you think it is too burdensome to go to the Post Office. On your original plan, would you hit a woman if they sent out a female inspector?


    onerous for the collectors to employ people to go knocking on doors and taking people to court. All seems a bit like a big game to those seeking to avoid paying. With no real power to force entry they are toothless in the face of those who are willing to defy them. Seems the system is broken so change the system.

    ps my original plan hasn't mentioned hitting anyone, are you confusing me with someone else?


  • #87
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,784 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    BBDBB wrote: »
    onerous for the collectors to employ people to go knocking on doors and taking people to court. All seems a bit like a big game to those seeking to avoid paying. With no real power to force entry they are toothless in the face of those who are willing to defy them. Seems the system is broken so change the system.

    ps my original plan hasn't mentioned hitting anyone, are you confusing me with someone else?

    Yes I confused you with the OP sorry. Similar names BBJBIG.

    The law dates back to 1926 in it's original form. It was a licence to keep a receiving apparatus and the current version is essentially the same. There is no other way to deal with evaders, except through the courts. Their TV signal can't be cut off like electricity or phone lines can.


  • #88
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 45,738 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Isn't it rumoured to be replaced with a fixed charge for everyone soon anyway.

    Flat fee whether you have a TV or not. Broadcasting charge I think they call it.


  • #89
    BBDBB
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,899 ✭✭✭✭BBDBB


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    Yes I confused you with the OP sorry. Similar names BBJBIG.

    The law dates back to 1926 in it's original form. It was a licence to keep a receiving apparatus and the current version is essentially the same. There is not other way to deal with evaders, except through the courts. Their TV signal can't be cut off like electricity or phone lines can.

    No worries

    Exactly, using a law dated from then seems a foolhardy thing to even try. Given the responses from the evaders in this thread and every thread like it on after hours, it doesn't seem to be a system that's going to work.

    That's why I suggested charging for a licence when someone buys a new tv. Either that or they show up with a copy of their existing licence when buying or collecting it.

    Another angle to consider is that in all probability we import all our tellys from abroad, shouldn't be too hard to tax them upon importation and let the retailers collect the licence fee or absorb the cost


  • #90
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,784 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    rarnes1 wrote: »
    Isn't it rumoured to be replaced with a fixed charge for everyone soon anyway.

    Flat fee whether you have a TV or not. Broadcasting charge I think they call it.

    It's more than a rumour. You missed your chance to make an input into how you would like it to operate.

    http://www.dcenr.gov.ie/Broadcasting/Consultation+on+Public+Service+Broadcasting+Charge/


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  • #91
    dickwod1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,101 ✭✭✭dickwod1


    Maphisto wrote: »
    No you don't. The Inspector needs to report that he has evidence of a TV set. Now assuming there is not the Eastenders theme heard blaring out the front window, he has no evidence.

    He has two alternatives then, record a "No Set" declaration or obtain a warrant to search the premises for a set that may or may not work when he finds. Given that these are not the highest paid people in the country which would you choose?

    You can blare the Eastenders theme as loud as you like, Tell them your watching it on the RTE Player - No licence needed!


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