Manchester United Superthread 2014 mod warning #8081

slingerz wrote: »

Pretty sure Cole was a transfer record at the time

That's my point. He was a hit and was a bigger spend than Fellaini in today's terms.

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

This isn't correct. The ratio is far more in favour of hit than miss at that level.

You get some flops but it is not on the same level.

hmmm dunno, id say more big money players (superstars like RVP, Silva, Aguero are exceptions) flop than are a success or at least its 50-50. look at United - Berba, Fellaini (so far), Veron all are contributed well below their value, Rio and Rooney massive successes of course.

would be interesting to look at the last 20 players to be signed for over 18 million in the PL and rank them hit or miss.

look at Norwich, massive money on RVW and he scored what, one goal? contrast that to Bony and what he did for Swansea. its highly possible that Norwich would have survived if the signed a striker like Bony and maybe Swansea would have went down.

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

This isn't correct. The ratio is far more in favour of hit than miss at that level.

You get some flops but it is not on the same level.

What do you mean? I think he has a point when he says every transfer comes with risk, even at a high level of spending.

The list is endless, no transfer is risk free, or obviously going to work out. I think it's silly to think otherwise.

Yaya was damaged goods a lot of people didn't want. Schevchenko (omg spellcheck) was a massive disappointment, no one forsaw the surgey would ruin Torres never to recover, Kezman was electric in Erdvise and was poison here.

Djibril Cisse was a monster in France and was hit and miss here. Kuyt was a dominating striker that turned into a grafting mediocre winger.

Have to say Ricky Van WolfPenis has been a massive disappointment, granted more due to the inept service he gets at ~Norwich, but he's near damaged goods now. Gary Hooper was a proven goalscorer in Scotland and sits mostly on the bench.

Even looking at our "potential" targets. Nothing is a certainty.

While you assume serious groundwork is done to ensure the player coming in will fit the system, and adapt well to the club and it's mindset etc., nothing can be for certain. When you take a player from a small club into a big club, no homework will tell you the player will develop an ego and slack off ( Zaha), nothing will tell you the player is simply incapable of further developement ( Miller) and nothing will tell you the player at home leads a terrible lifestyle and doesn't take recovery seriously (Anderson).

Nothings a sure fire bet. We got a good year from RVP last season, this year back to his old ways of injury stricken. Everyone thought that the transfer was epic business with no risk, but there of course was risk.

Not only did we take in a star striker who has recessed into injury prone spells, but that transfer scuppered a more detailed plan deploying Kagawa behind Rooney. No we have a Kagawa in no mans land, has never settled, and rarely being given the run of games to play where he was signed to play. That was a risk, all coupled from the one transfer, that Kagawa wouldn't settle into the squad, and that's more then come to pass.

Have to say I saw his withdrawal yesterday and felt thats the last I'll see him which is a pity. Smacks of Berbatov MKII, a beautiful player we all love, but hate seeing being used incorrectly.

beno619 wrote: »

Berba wasnt a flop, he contributed to as least 2 title victory's and scored that hattrick :pac:

His time wasnt a resounding success but calling him a flop is clutching at straws .

Top league goalscorer in a title winning season aswell. If he was used in a similar system to vNistelrooy he would have tore up the league but he like Tevez suffered in the rise of Ronaldo.

TheDoc wrote: »

What do you mean? I think he has a point when he says every transfer comes with risk, even at a high level of spending.

The list is endless, no transfer is risk free, or obviously going to work out. I think it's silly to think otherwise.

Yaya was damaged goods a lot of people didn't want. Schevchenko (omg spellcheck) was a massive disappointment, no one forsaw the surgey would ruin Torres never to recover, Kezman was electric in Erdvise and was poison here.

Djibril Cisse was a monster in France and was hit and miss here. Kuyt was a dominating striker that turned into a grafting mediocre winger.

Have to say Ricky Van WolfPenis has been a massive disappointment, granted more due to the inept service he gets at ~Norwich, but he's near damaged goods now. Gary Hooper was a proven goalscorer in Scotland and sits mostly on the bench.

Even looking at our "potential" targets. Nothing is a certainty.

While you assume serious groundwork is done to ensure the player coming in will fit the system, and adapt well to the club and it's mindset etc., nothing can be for certain. When you take a player from a small club into a big club, no homework will tell you the player will develop an ego and slack off ( Zaha), nothing will tell you the player is simply incapable of further developement ( Miller) and nothing will tell you the player at home leads a terrible lifestyle and doesn't take recovery seriously (Anderson).

Nothings a sure fire bet. We got a good year from RVP last season, this year back to his old ways of injury stricken. Everyone thought that the transfer was epic business with no risk, but there of course was risk.

Not only did we take in a star striker who has recessed into injury prone spells, but that transfer scuppered a more detailed plan deploying Kagawa behind Rooney. No we have a Kagawa in no mans land, has never settled, and rarely being given the run of games to play where he was signed to play. That was a risk, all coupled from the one transfer, that Kagawa wouldn't settle into the squad, and that's more then come to pass.

Have to say I saw his withdrawal yesterday and felt thats the last I'll see him which is a pity. Smacks of Berbatov MKII, a beautiful player we all love, but hate seeing being used incorrectly.

I think you've missed my point. I'm talking about monster signings.

Again, take United (Prices are relative):

Miss:
Veron
Anderson
Berba

Hits:
Keane
Cole
Stam
RVN
Rooney
Rio
RVP

Hargreaves was a miss but not because of ability, which is the point of the excercise. United are a better example than City and Chelsea as they were buying to consolidate success. Many of the petroclubs' signings were loss leader big names to entice other players and increase recognition.

keane2097 wrote: »

There seems to be some sort of reverso hipster anti-English-player sentiment thing creeping in here a bit lately.

Let's call a spade a spade, whatever about hype and potential transfer fees, Barkley and particularly Lallana have been class this season.

Don't think anyone disputing that, but when you consider they have emulated the form of plenty of English players which have come before them, it's always a worry that maybe they might not turn out to be world class stars.

If I'm not outragously mistaken, Young hit some numbers with Villa that dwarf Lallana's 8 goals and like 5 assists. And look how he turned out.

James Milner was being touted as potentially being converted into a dynamic, technically gifted CM.

I don't think anyone is doubting their season, I think maybe being weary of what may or may not come ahead, which I think is fair enough when you consider how easy the UK rpess get carried away.