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Woman uploads abortion video - goes viral
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bodice ripper wrote: »I saw that, ryan101. Thing is, he can't have an abortion...
Yes I can!
Unfortunately, I'm not pregnant, so we can't get wasted and have abortions and dance around tulips in our clogs. Shame really, I was looking forward to telling ryan101 to mind his own business. 0 -
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oh that's what calling me a chimp is, instead of debating the topic, i see.
The snide ad hominem comments from the pro-choice posters have been made from the get-go. Started with the suggestion that people opposing their opinions were just mere 'dumb fundamentalists' who couldn't understand the use of metaphors and has just gone on from that ever since. They do say that the side of a debate that has to resort to such tactics, only does so when their argument become so weak that they are left with little or no option and I certainly think that is the case here.
It's a shame as there were some decent posters taking part in the thread at the beginning (male and female) that seem to desert it just when those type of posts began to appear. Not sure I blame them as getting genuine retorts to points put, is as rare as hen's teeth so far. Throwing in expressions like "selfish bitches" and "rapey" seem to be more of a concern for some, rather than any desire to further the discussion. Strawmanning of opinions also seems to be a favourite pastime, to such an obnoxious degree, that nonsensical jokes about women giving birth to OAPs are being passed off as worthy relevant replies, which of course they are anything but.
Anyway, I shall try endure in spite of the above..There you go with your respect again. Once more, what makes you think anybody wants, needs, or gives a flying duck about having your respect?
I was directly replying to a user who talked about what he respected. Maybe I should have just said: 'What makes you think anybody wants, needs, or gives a flying duck about having your respect'.
..but you see, I'm here to have a discussion, not throw abuse at people.Why do you have such a distinction between a first and second trimester fetus?
Simple. First trimesters are when the vast majority of miscarriages take place. Growth during second trimester is rapid (babies in the womb can now choose to move of their own accord, makes faces, suck their thumbs etc) and so I could never in good conscience support abortions at that stage, let alone support post-viability abortions, where babies have been shown to have a chance of surviving if they are born premature (such as the twins in the video which I posted in an earlier post) .StudentDad wrote: »Fascinating. You have missed the point entirely. Well done. Whether or not I agree with abortion is irrelevant. What I am saying is that you or I do not have the right to impose our beliefs on another human being without just cause. The woman in this case has acted entirely within the law and does not have to answer to you or anyone else for her actions.
You accuse me of missing your point (which I didn't.. at all) and then repeat the very same thing you already said. I'm not sure why you keep saying she didn't break the law for anyway? Did someone say she did?
Again you just repeat yourself and so sure I might as well: I have no issue with what she does with her body. It's the life of unborn child within her womb that I am concerned with. The growing human fetus, that has it's own specific genetic mutations, that has inherited genomes from the father as well as the mother and most importantly, that has the ability to to move independently. This is why I feel it should not be referred to as "a woman's body" they are merely WITHIN it.You seem to think you have the right to dictate to another human being whether or not they have control over their own bodies. In that regard you are attempting to impose your will on others, again without just cause.
Many share my beliefs as I am sure many share yours.Your beliefs are yours and yours alone.
Rubbish. Late term abortions were once legal in many counties. Why did that change? Because the majority of people in each country imposed their will on the minority and so it will continue an so you are incorrect to say that others do not have the right to impose their beliefs on others, as they do, each and every day.You do not have the right to impose them on others who do not agree with you. Your rights end when they conflict with the rights of others. Sorry but that's the way it is.
Who said it wasn't? And why are you talking about the UK? This is Ireland and the video was in the USA.As things currently stand as far as I'm aware abortion is legal up to 24 weeks in the UK. This is a choice many women make. This is their legal right and as such whether or you agree with it is irrelevant.
However, seeing as you brought up the UK: I think it is barbaric to have an abortion as late as 22 weeks, let alone 24, unless for medical reasons. If a 24 week pregnant woman traveled to UK for an abortion and went into labour on the way to the clinic and the baby was born premature, there is a chance that that child could survive. Could the mother plead with the doctors to switch off the incubator because she actually doesn't want it? Of course not and it would be considered murder if she chose to do so herself. Not saying a woman would, but don't you find it strange how many human rights a 22 week old fetus suddenly has, just because the umbilical cord is no longer attached.
This is a discussion forum. Whether or not you agree with it or not, is very much relevant.Whether or not I agree with it is irrelevant.
If it was all as simple as you suggest, no country in the world would bother putting restrictions on the point in a pregnancy at which women could have an abortion. It would just be a case of.. 'ah well her body, her choice' ..but thankfully, almost every country in the world has banned late term abortions and for the simply reason, that most reasonable people understand that abortion is not just about a woman being able to do what she wants with her body and that there is much more at stake here, not least, the developing human fetus within her.It always comes down to the choice of the woman. What she chooses to do is paramount. It is her body, her choice. To impose a 'choice' on another human being without just cause is frankly barbaric.0 -
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