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Harris claims 13 year old had consensual relationship

  • 10-05-2014 08:36PM
    #1
    onerone
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 28 ✭onerone


    The title says it all, the victim of this 16 year relationship claims she was starstruck and afraid of Rolf, so did as he said.


    What's your opinion, is it possible for a teenager to have a consensual relationship with someone older?


    Is it a case of modern society creating a taboo against these relationships which in turn led the the victim to believe she was wronged because of her young age?


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  • #2
    Menas
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,318 ✭✭✭✭Menas


    Where is the link OP?
    Did his defence raise this in court?


  • #3
    Cantremember
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,305 ✭✭✭Cantremember


    FFS.


  • #4
    AlwaysAnyTime
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 179 ✭✭AlwaysAnyTime


    Cantremember wrote: »
    FFS.

    My sentiments exactly


  • #5
    Tropheus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,947 ✭✭✭Tropheus


    He denies he had a relationship when she was 13. He says it started when she was 18.

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/474758/Rolf-Harris-trial-latest-Entertainer-at-Southwark-Crown-Court-on-indecent-assault-charges


  • #6
    Mr. Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,798 ✭✭✭Mr. Incognito


    16 year relationship??

    So she was with him until 29?

    Misleading title. One could see how a 16 year relationship could objectively be consensual from 18 to 29.

    Not from 13 to 18 though.

    Either way, could care less.


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  • #7
    onerone
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 28 ✭onerone


    This is all from today's Irish daily mirror I wouldn't be mentioning this otherwise you pack of fuktards.


  • #8
    Wacker The Attacker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,473 ✭✭✭Wacker The Attacker


    Mr. Incognito wrote: »
    16 year relationship??

    So she was with him until 29?

    Misleading title. One could see how a 16 year relationship could objectively be consensual from 18 to 29.

    Not from 13 to 18 though.

    Either way, could care less.


    This implies that you actually care


  • #9
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,597 ✭✭✭gctest50


    onerone wrote: »
    This is all from today's Irish daily mirror I wouldn't be mentioning this otherwise you pack of fuktards.

    who's a fuktard ?

    How was anyone supposed to know where that "joyful" news came from ?

    onerone wrote: »
    Spied on both my sisters having showers. the stuck up local catholic girls wouldn't put out soi had to go incest style.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=90147062&postcount=45


  • #10
    onerone
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 28 ✭onerone


    Read the letter from Harris addressed to the victims father , straight from the source, if there is a problem then bring it to the courts as the papers cannot publish unsubstantiated claims if they do they are liable


  • #11
    onerone
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 28 ✭onerone


    do u want a slap for that reignition of a previous post? I did things when I was a kid so what, that means all them gerbils are innocent (Google gerbils in urbandictionary) give me a break


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  • #12
    daithi1970
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 515 ✭✭✭daithi1970


    ..stay classy..


  • #13
    Menas
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,318 ✭✭✭✭Menas


    onerone wrote: »
    Read the letter from Harris addressed to the victims father , straight from the source, if there is a problem then bring it to the courts as the papers cannot publish unsubstantiated claims if they do they are liable

    Can you give us a link to the letter where he claims that his relationship with a 13 year old was consentual?
    He admited in an alleged letter to a relationship with her but not until she was of legal age. That is very different to your claim.

    I am not defending the man but believe claims need to be backed up.


  • #14
    onerone
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 28 ✭onerone


    read the letter just as I have done then you will realize what I'm talking about. I wonder why he has been convicted if she was 18, please get back to me on that


  • #15
    Menas
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,318 ✭✭✭✭Menas


    onerone wrote: »
    read the letter just as I have done then you will realize what I'm talking about. I wonder why he has been convicted if she was 18, please get back to me on that

    Eh...because he has not been convicted.


  • #16
    onerone
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 28 ✭onerone


    I'm sorry the entire conviction is revealed in the letter he wrote to his victims father


  • #17
    onerone
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 28 ✭onerone


    Clearly a number of people have not read this letter its undeniable


  • #18
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    onerone wrote: »
    I'm sorry the entire conviction is revealed in the letter he wrote to his victims father


    He
    Has
    Not
    Been
    Convicted.


  • #19
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,597 ✭✭✭gctest50


    onerone wrote: »
    do u want a slap for that reignition of a previous post? ..............

    ?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HB53DS3k1yI


  • #20
    Toby Take a Bow
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,732 ✭✭✭Toby Take a Bow


    onerone wrote: »
    I'm sorry the entire conviction is revealed in the letter he wrote to his victims father

    I'm not sure you know what 'conviction' means.


  • #21
    humanji
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    onerone wrote: »
    do u want a slap for that reignition of a previous post? I did things when I was a kid so what, that means all them gerbils are innocent (Google gerbils in urbandictionary) give me a break
    Take a few days off.


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  • #22
    Menas
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,318 ✭✭✭✭Menas


    onerone wrote: »
    Clearly a number of people have not read this letter its undeniable

    Clearly one person does not understand that one is not convicted until the end of the trial.

    Now, can you link or quote where he admits having a sexual relationship with her when she was 13?


  • #23
    MonsterCookie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 959 ✭✭✭MonsterCookie


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2624114/Rolf-Harris-trial-hears-confession-letter-alleged-victims-father.html

    Sad story no doubt.


  • #24
    Sunglasses Ron
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,180 ✭✭✭Sunglasses Ron


    When the case was brought he was also charged with producing indecent images (although "producing" is legal jargon that is taken to mean mere possession). I've not seen this charge mentioned in any of the recent reporting on the case, was it dropped? Or perhaps did his legal team successfully argue for it to be tried in a separate trial as the weight of it would be prejudicial to the jurors opinions towards the stories of the complainants in the case? (i.e a jury that convicts him over a charge where physical evidence exists is highly likely to be bent towards convicting him of similar offences for which no physical evidence exists, and therefore the tagging along of this charge in the sex assault case could be seen to result in prejudicing the jury)

    Interesting really, because as much as the bulk of the case is he said she said, if he hadn't got an innocent explanation as to how he was found with said image it would be pretty dynamite stuff for the prosecution of the alleged assaults.


  • #25
    Tropheus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,947 ✭✭✭Tropheus


    Yes, I wondered about the indecent images thing as well. It hasn't been mentioned since the trial began.

    Judging by what's coming out in the trial, he's pretty much finished in the entertainment business whether he's found guilty or not.


  • #26
    anto9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 883 ✭✭✭anto9


    A lady come out public in the Australian media ,about what Rolf did to her when she was 13 and on a trip to London .Pretty damning stuff having seen the interview .Probably available on Utube.


  • #27
    Snake
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,844 ✭✭✭Snake


    I wonder is the OP slapping the admins in the prison forum right now


  • #28
    Maphisto
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,014 ✭✭✭Maphisto


    anto9 wrote: »
    A lady come out public in the Australian media ,about what Rolf did to her when she was 13 and on a trip to London .Pretty damning stuff having seen the interview .Probably available on Utube.

    The problem I always have with this and I don't know if the woman is truthful or not but why in the media why on Utube. If its that damning it should be before the court not doing the rounds


  • #29
    Sunglasses Ron
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,180 ✭✭✭Sunglasses Ron


    anto9 wrote: »
    A lady come out public in the Australian media ,about what Rolf did to her when she was 13 and on a trip to London .Pretty damning stuff having seen the interview .Probably available on Utube.

    That she was paid for. Pre trial.

    I've no leaning of opinion either way yet as I'm neither a fan nor a hater of Harris (although what appears to be a court ordered media blackout and deliberate attempt to cast off this indecent image charge to a separate trial does sound very questionable, if that indeed is what has happened), but people selling their stories are the last people you can trust for credibility. I think what happens in the court is a better indicator of what really happened than people selling stories to the papers.


  • #30
    anto9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 883 ✭✭✭anto9


    ^True it was stated that she was paid for the Aus. TV interview ,but she did sound very believable (unless she is a great actress ) and has shown her face which could cause problems in her life .Anyway i will wait for the Jury to make a verdict .


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  • #31
    Maphisto
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,014 ✭✭✭Maphisto


    anto9 wrote: »
    ^True it was stated that she was paid for the Aus. TV interview ,but she did sound very believable (unless she is a great actress ) and has shown her face which could cause problems in her life .Anyway i will wait for the Jury to make a verdict .

    I bought some tools off a guy in a white van about 12 months ago. He sounded very believable- guess what all the tools are knackered.

    She might sound plausible but the right place to give evidence is in court where it can be tested and cross examined. The court will use other criteria for accepting or not the evidence of a witness other than how plausible they appear, otherwise there would be no hope for anyone who can't act. Sure we'd all be at the drama classes at the weekends just in case .


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