Woman uploads abortion video - goes viral

Muise... · 09-05-2014 01:52PM

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »

The air force are unable to tell if there is human life within solid structures without using technological imaging processes. So what?

Doesn't make those people any less alive. The 'point' you're attempting to make is a nonsense one quite frankly.

So Scott Peterson should not have been charged with two counts of murder? Just the one?

I mean, how could he murder a non-entity.

The foetus is inside the woman - this is not the same as the born being in a house.

Muise... · 09-05-2014 01:53PM

xalot wrote: »

I'm very strongly pro choice and find the fact that this woman deliberately got pregnant just to document an abortion extremely disturbing. It totally belittles the situation that many people find themselves in.
I know women who have had abortions and it was not an easy decision nor was the emotional recovery after.

I cant believe how trivial she makes it seem and I can understand why this kind of thing would enrage pro life activists. It enrages me. Having an abortion is not like getting a flu jab and should not be treated so lightly, especially by somebody who works in the industry.

I suppose videos like this open up discussion and debate and that is something good.

She did not get pregnant deliberately.

steddyeddy · 09-05-2014 01:55PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I don't have the answers. But on such an emotive issue, I think the blanket "my body, my choice" answer is hugely unfair when there is no protection for the father if he decides that he doesn't want a child.

As I have said before, this is an emotional issue for most so I am not here to rant or judge. The only people that get on my nerves are the ones who seem to think that a man's emotional wellbeing and life isn't changed by such decisions and should be discounted.

Of course a man's decision matters.

runawaybishop · 09-05-2014 01:55PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I don't have the answers. But on such an emotive issue, I think the blanket "my body, my choice" answer is hugely unfair when there is no protection for the father if he decides that he doesn't want a child.

Its seems very unfair. The man can have no say whatsoever with regards to their wishes. Whether they want the child or not it is the woman who makes the decision. A man who does not wish to have a child will just have to accept that they have no choice and prepare to pay child support. A woman who decides to abort despite the mans wishes can do so without issue.

xalot · 09-05-2014 01:57PM

Actually I just read in this article that she is a failed actress and it seems pretty obvious that she just wants some fame and attention. I seriously doubt her intentions were honourable. I hope her five minutes dont last long.

http://www.cosmopolitan.com/advice/health/why-i-filmed-my-abortion

ash23 · 09-05-2014 01:59PM

I'm pro-choice. What she has done, I don't like. Nor do I like the idea of someone using abortion as a means of regular contraception or women using them to control the father etc etc.

However, these are very much minority cases. The majority of people who have abortions do so for, imo, valid and good reason. So I have to accept that for abortion to be available to the majority, it will be available to the minority who abuse it.

Much like social welfare. I hate the idea of social welfare fraud but the alternative of no social welfare is even more unpalatable to me so for the sake of the decent majority we have to accept that there is a minority that isn't so acceptable.

So for every woman like this, there are probably ten thousand women who are having an abortion and need one for various valid reasons. We have to let women like this have access to abortion so that women like my friends and sisters and my daughter also have access to abortion.

ETA - obviously when I say things like palatable and acceptable, I am talking about myself and where my own feelings lie on the matter. Everyone else has their own version of what circumstances they think abortion is "acceptable" to them.

steddyeddy · 09-05-2014 01:59PM

I don't believe an abortion is "nothing". I believe it should be people's choice but I don't believe it's nothing.

sabat · 09-05-2014 02:05PM

The "incidental music" playing while the actual procedure is carried out is possibly the most tasteless thing I've ever witnessed.

steddyeddy · 09-05-2014 02:06PM

I think the double standard of some of the pro choice (my own side) really bothers me sometimes.

Reiketsu · 09-05-2014 02:08PM

Grayson wrote: »

Why is it a big deal?

It just is, to me. I wouldn't fancy it. It's still a medical procedure at the end of the day.

GalwayGuy2 · 09-05-2014 02:17PM

I'm prochoice but she across as quite as having psychopathic tendencies as far as she seemed to enjoy that and not have an emotional response to what she was doing

I actually got an anxiety/depressive vibe off her. Have you ever seen someone with a mental illness in an up/trying too hard phase? It reminded me of her.

These arguments between the pro-lifers and the pro-choicers. It's funny the mental acrobats that go on both sides.

She did not get pregnant deliberately.

Eh, I like you Muise, but she's not an idiot. She didn't use contraception (and there is no mention of checking if her partner was) and she's a sex educator. If she didn't do it on purpose, then she would have been able to make an educated guess as to what would happen.

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller · 09-05-2014 02:18PM

seenitall wrote: »

If you understand what a parasite is, why do you bring up smashing incubators into it? Is an incubator a living entity?

My point (which was a fairly obvious one) was, and is, that if someone thinks a fetus should be referred to as a "parasite" when in the womb, just because at that point independent life is not possible, then why should all that suddenly change if the baby placed in an incubator instead, where they are still incapable of independent life?

It shouldn't, as nothing has changed but it's location and the source from which the life sustaining nutrients are being derived.

Hence why I would be up on a few murder charges if I did smash up those incubators.

ash23 · 09-05-2014 02:22PM

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »

My point (which was a fairly obvious one) was, and is, that if someone thinks a fetus should be referred to as a "parasite" when in the womb, just because at that point independent life is not possible, then why should all that suddenly change if the baby placed in an incubator instead, where they are still incapable of independent life?

It shouldn't, as nothing has changed but it's location and the source from which the life sustaining nutrients are being derived.

Hence why I would be up on a few murder charges if I did smash up those incubators.

A parent, specifically a mother unless she was married, would be able to withdraw medical treatment from a baby if there was a lot of suffering etc. or the chances of the child surviving were slim.
Ultimately the parent has the choice about a child not a stranger with a baseball bat. So your comparison is not really comparable.

What you are suggesting would be akin to taking a baseball bat to a woman to cause her to miscarry, not making the choice as a pregnant woman to have an abortion.

GalwayGuy2 · 09-05-2014 02:24PM

What you are suggesting would be akin to taking a baseball bat to a woman to cause her to miscarry, not making the choice as a pregnant woman to have an abortion.

Would you class that as murder

fullaljackeen · 09-05-2014 02:25PM

What a disgusting idea. Hope youtube refuse to pay her for all the hits or views she has gotten. This is the dark side of social media. What are we going to see next? A vote system or something.
Some thumbs up or likes or the baby gets it?

I won't watch it.

Splendour · 09-05-2014 02:25PM

eviltwin wrote: »

If that is what the woman decides I have no issue with that. What would you suggest?

A few suggestions:

1. Not have sex if not able to handle the consequences that may come with it.

2. Use contraception (obviously this can sometimes fail but in which case I refer back to
suggestions no. 1. In the case of the woman in the video she obviously didn't do this.

3. Hand baby over to the Father if he is willing to take responsibility.

4. If no. 4 not an option, hand baby up for adoption; there are plenty of couples willing to
adopt a child.

ash23 · 09-05-2014 02:26PM

GalwayGuy2 wrote: »

Would you class that as murder

No it's assault on the woman. As far as I know a pregnancy has to be past a certain stage before it would be considered murder.

seenitall · 09-05-2014 02:27PM

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »

My point (which was a fairly obvious one) was, and is, that if someone thinks a fetus should be referred to as a "parasite" when in the womb, just because at that point independent life is not possible, then why should all that suddenly change if the baby placed in an incubator instead, where they are still incapable of independent life?

It shouldn't, as nothing has changed but it's location and the source from which the life sustaining nutrients are being derived.

Hence why I would be up on a few murder charges if I did smash up those incubators.

A parasite is not an independant living entity. Why should a parasite without the ability for independent life away from the host, have an automatic entitlement to living off the host's resources? (Do you enjoy nurturing headlice on your head, or tapeworm in your bowels? Or would you seek to get rid of them sharpish?)

It shouldn't automatically have that entitlement, which is what most of civilised, first world understands and respects, and which is why abortion should be legal.

Again, babies in incubators are not parasites...

I Heart Internet · 09-05-2014 02:30PM

seenitall wrote: »

A parasite is not an independant living entity. Why should a parasite without the ability for independent life away from the host, have an automatic entitlement to living off the host's resources? (Do you enjoy nurturing headlice on your head, or tapeworm in your bowels? Or would you seek to get rid of them sharpish?)

It shouldn't automatically have that entitlement, which is what most of civilised, first world understands and respects, and which is why abortion should be legal.

Again, babies in incubators are not parasites...

You're right that much of the western world allows for abortion, to a greater or lesser extent. But almost all of the people who support that would have far more class than to compare a foetus to a headlice or tapeworm. Way, way more class.

gruenchen · 09-05-2014 02:30PM

I think it's sad that "advertisement" for abortion are needed In the first place. And it's easy to judge her for beeing to lazy to use contraception. Reality is; she knows best what she is capable of dealing with at this point on her life and the only one who should make this decision. So after shaking my judgements off, I find this brave also because I hope it will make other women who went through the same less alone.

My name is URL · 09-05-2014 02:31PM

Some of the pathetic arguments going on here are probably doing as much damage to the pro-choice side as the dumb **** in the video did.

Comparing foetuses to parasites? =/

Pretty damn weak, really

Muise... · 09-05-2014 02:31PM

Splendour wrote: »

A few suggestions:

1. Not have sex if not able to handle the consequences that may come with it.

2. Use contraception (obviously this can sometimes fail but in which case I refer back to
suggestions no. 1. In the case of the woman in the video she obviously didn't do this.

3. Hand baby over to the Father if he is willing to take responsibility.

4. If no. 4 not an option, hand baby up for adoption; there are plenty of couples willing to
adopt a child.

A suggestion:

Stop telling women what they should or shouldn't do with their own bodies. Especially not 4-point facile advice that shows no understanding of real lives and relationships.

fullaljackeen · 09-05-2014 02:32PM

seenitall wrote: »

A parasite is not an independant living entity. Why should a parasite without the ability for independent life away from the host, have an automatic entitlement to living off the host's resources? (Do you enjoy nurturing headlice on your head, or tapeworm in your bowels? Or would you seek to get rid of them sharpish?)

It shouldn't automatically have that entitlement, which is what most of civilised, first world understands and respects, and which is why abortion should be legal.

Again, babies in incubators are not parasites...

Abortion equates with civilisation? Isn't society judged by the way it treats it's most vulnerable?

Grayson · 09-05-2014 02:34PM

eviltwin wrote: »

My mother in law was very pro life until her mid 70's, she would have been a regular at pro life marches and vigils, was on first name basis with a lot of the pro life advocates. Now she is fully pro choice all because myself and my husband have been in that position. She now knows that abortion happens to people like her son, her daughter in law, real people. And that is why it is so important that more women speak out about it and for that I applaud the woman in the video.

You've made me rethink something.

I was brought up in a catholic household, but it wasn't a prolife one. The topic was hardly mentioned and my mother, when she did mention the topic, never voiced an opinion but never condemned either.
She was and still is very religious, but I believe she's probably pro choice.

Splendour · 09-05-2014 02:36PM

Muise... wrote: »

A suggestion:

Stop telling women what they should or shouldn't do with their own bodies. Especially not 4-point facile advice that shows no understanding of real lives and relationships.

My post was an answer to a question put by eviltwin. A question was asked, an answer was given.

runawaybishop · 09-05-2014 02:40PM

Muise... wrote: »

A suggestion:

Stop telling women what they should or shouldn't do with their own bodies. Especially not 4-point facile advice that shows no understanding of real lives and relationships.

There is something wrong with telling someone to use contraception is they don't want a baby is there?

How is saying "use contraception" not understanding real life?

09-05-2014 02:41PM

Muise... wrote: »

A suggestion:

Stop telling women what they should or shouldn't do with their own bodies. Especially not 4-point facile advice that shows no understanding of real lives and relationships.

Would you agree that a woman should not expect a man to financially support a decision that she alone has made regarding her own body?

Muise... · 09-05-2014 02:45PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Would you agree that a woman should not expect a man to financially support a decision that she alone has made regarding her own body?

Yes. I'd agree with that.

But that's not what we're discussing.

Muise... · 09-05-2014 02:45PM

runawaybishop wrote: »

There is something wrong with telling someone to use contraception is they don't want a baby is there?

How is saying "use contraception" not understanding real life?

3. and 4. are the naive ones.

runawaybishop · 09-05-2014 02:46PM

Muise... wrote: »

3. and 4. are the naive ones.

Why are they naive, they already happen.

Woman uploads abortion video - goes viral

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