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The Origin of Specious Nonsense. Twelve years on. Still going. Answer soon.

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  • #1232
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    J C wrote: »
    None of these things.

    You're trying to claim they were "spritual" :rolleyes:


  • #1233
    Pherekydes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,247 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    Are you sure you weren't just watching Cocoon?


  • #1234
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,030 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    J C wrote: »
    None of these things.

    They were day-glo orbs?

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #1235
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    bumper234 wrote: »
    You're trying to claim they were "spritual" :rolleyes:
    I don't know for certain - but they are a lot less tangible than their technology.


  • #1236
    sea_monkey
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 755 ✭✭✭sea_monkey


    Why did you assume aliens and not angels?


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  • #1237
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,850 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    sea_monkey wrote: »
    Why did you assume aliens and not angels?

    Why did he assume aliens and not hallucinations?


  • #1238
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    sea_monkey wrote: »
    Why did you assume aliens and not angels?
    They don't look like (the popular image of) angels - and they have tangible very high-level physical technology - that is popularly associated with 'Aliens'.

    The word 'Alien' is a good descriptor ... as they themselves and their technology is 'alien' to the laws and physics of this Universe.


  • #1239
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    Why did he assume aliens and not hallucinations?
    I saw the physical evidence and effects of their presence.
    Hallucinations don't physically affect animate and inanimate objects.


  • #1240
    Gordon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,522 ✭✭✭✭Gordon


    MrPudding wrote: »
    Hmmm, would need to look and that poses two problems. First, I am on my phone and second, it is entirely too early in the day to have you wade through the utter crap that is JC's post history.

    I will try to dig it out for you later, if some other kind soul does not beat me to it.

    MrP
    2005 through to 2008
    J C wrote: »
    Quote Zod
    I do notice that Creationists are not pinning their arguments to this (ET life) - in other words life on other planets could actually be found soon - if it is they can just say "yeah so what - he just didn't mention it".

    The Bible is silent on ET life – Fact. My personal opinion is that it is silent because there is no ET life, other than demons and angels.
    J C wrote: »
    Scofflaw

    What will you do if there's life on Mars, or Titan? Plead Martian Special Creation?

    The Bible is silent about ET life. It is unlikely that God created life on other planets without telling us about it. My personal opinion is that it is silent because there is no ET life.

    However, I am also aware of at least one Creation Scientist who has had close encounters of the First, Second and Third Kinds with ET Intelligences!!!;) :D
    J C wrote: »
    ......the most LIKELY source of bacteria on Mars IS probably from contamination .........
    BUT
    ......when it comes to ETs I can confirm that they EXIST.......because I have had close encounters of the first, second and third kinds with the things......so please avoid the temptation to second-guess my replies!!!!!:eek::D
    J C wrote: »
    ........the ET technology that I have seen, manifested itself physically..........and it was enormously sophisticated.....it was one of the reasons that I became a Christian!!!!
    I'm a bit confused how you didn't believe in alien life when you were a christian, but then at some point around 2007 when you had the experience with aliens, you became a christian.

    Regarding spontaneous evolution:
    J C wrote: »
    I know ... but it happens to be one of the most deeply held beliefs in current society.
    I can see why and how they believe in spontaneous evolution ... and indeed I once deeply held the belief myself ... so far be it from me to criticise anybody for holding a belief I once held myself.
    Yeah, that was back in 2008:
    J C wrote: »

    ......but your denial that Spontaeous Evolution exists (which I agree with BTW)
    Maybe you'll realise that there is no such thing as a Christian God soon :)


  • #1241
    Reiver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 782 ✭✭✭Reiver


    Do you think aliens...have like....gods? I've always wondered how they fit in with our pantheons.

    Every myth is based on a grain of truth right?


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  • #1242
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Reiver wrote: »
    Do you think aliens...have like....gods? I've always wondered how they fit in with our pantheons.
    I'm not sure what 'Aliens' are ... I know they exit on Earth and they have amazing technology ... so therefore they technically aren't 'Extra-terrestrial' because they are present on Earth.
    Reiver wrote: »
    Every myth is based on a grain of truth right?
    You are correct. For example the myth that life spontaously arose and 'evolved' from Pondkind to Mankind, via the natural selection of genetic mistakes is based on the truth that Natural Selection is observed to select amongst pre-existing genetic diversity.


  • #1243
    Reiver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 782 ✭✭✭Reiver


    Well I presume something that isn't originally from Terra, that's an alien right? It's alien insofar as they aren't familiar.

    So are they friendly? Or here to wage war? Advanced technology does make me nervous.


  • #1244
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Reiver wrote: »
    Well I presume something that isn't originally from Terra, that's an alien right? It's alien insofar as they aren't familiar.
    Yes ... 'Alien' is a good name for them.
    Reiver wrote: »
    So are they friendly? Or here to wage war? Advanced technology does make me nervous.
    They seem to be operating largely on a 'leave us alone and we will leave you alone' basis.

    If they were here to be friendly (or indeed to wage physical war) they would probably be making regular appearances on the 9 o'clock news, by now.:)

    Their technology is indeed impressive (and relatively silent) ... it can slow to a crawl, hover, land ... and take off at acceleration, that would result in several thousand g-force.
    Their technology is therefore 'alien' as well.


  • #1245
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


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  • #1246
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,850 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    J C wrote: »
    Yes ... 'Alien' is a good name for them.

    They seem to be operating largely on a 'leave us alone and we will leave you alone' basis.

    If they were here to be friendly (or indeed to wage physical war) they would probably be making regular appearances on the 9 o'clock news.:)

    Their technology is indeed impressive (and relatively silent) ... it can slow to a crawl, hover, land ... and take off at acceleration, that would result in several thousand g-force.
    Their technology is therefore 'alien' as well.

    Presumably, they were created six thousand-odd years ago, but for some strange reason didn't get a mention in Genesis.

    Was their impressive technology created at the same time, or did the creator make them dramatically more intelligent than those he created in his own image?


  • #1247
    Brian Shanahan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,232 ✭✭✭Brian Shanahan


    Reiver wrote: »
    Every myth is based on a grain of truth right?

    No. Sometimes myths are based on gross exaggerations of what happened, but even then there was no truth involved.


  • #1248
    Reiver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 782 ✭✭✭Reiver


    Lads can we stop trolling and being disrespectful here. This is an open forum for open-minded people to express their views. He might be onto something, we're like ostriches sticking our heads in the sand at times. There's stuff you can't explain, I remember seeing strange lights moving out in the field before and was afraid to go outside.



    JC, so you've only really experienced their technology in relation to transport? Is it easy to shoot down? Could we defend ourselves? It's only a matter of time before some blunders about and provokes them. They seem harmless now but whos to say?


  • #1249
    Brian Shanahan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,232 ✭✭✭Brian Shanahan


    Reiver wrote: »
    Lads can we stop trolling and being disrespectful here. This is an open forum for open-minded people to express their views.

    No, this forum is for people who present their case with evidence to back up said case. It is not for the kind of people who are so open to other ideas they'll listen to and follow any old nonsense. And the likes of JC aren't open minded anyway, you'd know that if you ever read any of his posts.

    Oh, it really does infuriate me when people say stuff like the above to me, especially like when they are trying to defend deeply irrational and illogical explanations for natural phenomena that already have logical and reasonable explanations that have the advantage of being true.
    He might be onto something,

    He's not, seriously he's not. And saying stuff like this is only drawing him on.
    we're like ostriches sticking our heads in the sand at times.

    Looking for evidence for stated positions is not being an ostrich sticking their head in the sand. Allowing anybody to come on and rattle off any old nonsense without disputing it is, though. And the latter is what you are advocating.
    There's stuff you can't explain, I remember seeing strange lights moving out in the field before and was afraid to go outside.

    I was cycling to a match the other week. I glanced to my left cycling past a derelict old farmhouse and saw what looked like a pillar of yellow light. On the way back home I slowed down at the spot I saw this "pillar of light", and do you know what, it was simply a dead tree which combined with my millisecond glance, the angle of the sun and my distraction by other thoughts got turned into something else the first time, i.e. it was a simple optical illusion. I bet that if you investigate your "strange lights" properly you'll in fact find a perfectly reasonable explanation for those lights, either that or you were suffering from sleep paralysis and hallucinating. Quite a lot of apparations, from medieval witch scares to modern alien abductions can be and should be explained by this perfectly normal and common physioligical phenomenon.
    JC, so you've only really experienced their technology in relation to transport? Is it easy to shoot down? Could we defend ourselves? It's only a matter of time before some blunders about and provokes them. They seem harmless now but whos to say?

    Why are you asking him questions about something that any person of reasonable intelligence would dismiss as 99.9recurring% imaginary? Seriously, why?


  • #1250
    _Redzer_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,056 ✭✭✭_Redzer_


    I for one think that JC is doing a fantastic job at representing the religious community


  • #1251
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    _Redzer_ wrote: »
    I for one think that JC is doing a fantastic job at representing the religious community

    I agree 1000%

    Religion needs more people like him to get out there and post on as many forums as possible. They should stand on every street corner and knock on every door because the more people like him there are preaching religion the sooner organised religion will die out and disappear.


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  • #1252
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Reiver wrote: »
    Lads can we stop trolling and being disrespectful here. This is an open forum for open-minded people to express their views. He might be onto something, we're like ostriches sticking our heads in the sand at times. There's stuff you can't explain, I remember seeing strange lights moving out in the field before and was afraid to go outside.
    What can I say?

    These things exist ... and millions of people have had encounters of varying quality/closeness with them.

    Other people prefer to label as 'insane' anything they haven't personally observed (and especially that which 'conventional' religion/science doesn't fully endorse).

    Stuff that we take for granted today was stated to be impossible by the leaders of 'scientific' opinion in the past ... for example, 'heavier than air flying machines' were declared to be impossibilities ... even though birds and bats were heavier than air and flying all around the people making such pronouncements.:)
    ... and not to be outdone, some religious people even when as far as declaring that if God wanted people to fly, He would have given them wings.

    That's just the way it is with some folks.
    Reiver wrote: »
    JC, so you've only really experienced their technology in relation to transport? Is it easy to shoot down? Could we defend ourselves? It's only a matter of time before some blunders about and provokes them. They seem harmless now but whos to say?
    I'd say it's probably impossible to physically challenge them (with current Human technology).
    I don't think they will be provoked and our 'blunders' probably won't affect them ... but that is just speculation on my part.
    I think that if it was going to happen, it would probably have happened by now, as they have been challenged by fighter aircraft on thousands of sorties.


  • #1253
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    Presumably, they were created six thousand-odd years ago, but for some strange reason didn't get a mention in Genesis.

    Was their impressive technology created at the same time, or did the creator make them dramatically more intelligent than those he created in his own image?
    They (or something like them) are mentioned in Genesis allright ... and in rather ominous tones.
    They appear to be different in substance and spirit to Human Beings.


  • #1254
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    bumper234 wrote: »
    I agree 1000%

    Religion needs more people like him to get out there and post on as many forums as possible. They should stand on every street corner and knock on every door because the more people like him there are preaching religion the sooner organised religion will die out and disappear.
    I thank you for your opinion and I will give it consideration ... even though I disagree with your conclusions.

    In this regard, it's very easy to ignore 'inconvenient truths' and observations that don't fit with the current Zeitgeist (both religious and/or temporal).

    It is brave (perhaps even foolhardy) to question the current settled dogmas (of either religion or science) ... but that's how progress is made in our thinking and our technology.


  • #1255
    housetypeb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,197 ✭✭✭housetypeb


    Are they saved? j c, are they going to heaven?


  • #1256
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    housetypeb wrote: »
    Are they saved? j c, are they going to heaven?
    I don't know ... you will need to ask them, if you ever meet them.

    The ones I have seen aren't very communicative.:)


  • #1257
    J C
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    bumper234 wrote: »
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    Cuckoo to you too!!!:);)


  • #1258
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Brian Shanahan wrote: »
    Oh, it really does infuriate me when people say stuff like the above to me, especially like when they are trying to defend deeply irrational and illogical explanations for natural phenomena that already have logical and reasonable explanations that have the advantage of being true.
    OK ... so what is the 'logical and reasonable' explanation for a craft that is closely observed manouvering, hovering, landing and taking off at speeds that would result in several thousand g-force for any occupants therein?

    What is the 'logical and reasonable' explanation' for closely observed beings that are apparently able to physically manifest at will?

    Brian Shanahan wrote: »
    I was cycling to a match the other week. I glanced to my left cycling past a derelict old farmhouse and saw what looked like a pillar of yellow light. On the way back home I slowed down at the spot I saw this "pillar of light", and do you know what, it was simply a dead tree which combined with my millisecond glance, the angle of the sun and my distraction by other thoughts got turned into something else the first time, i.e. it was a simple optical illusion.
    An optical illusion is clearly the 'logical and reasonable' explanation for what you describe ... but everything we observe isn't an optical illusion ... or as easily discounted.


  • #1259
    Gordon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,522 ✭✭✭✭Gordon


    J C wrote: »
    OK ... so what is the 'logical and reasonable' explanation for a craft that is closely observed manouvering, hovering, landing and taking off at speeds that would result in several thousand g-force for any occupants therein?

    What is the 'logical and reasonable' explanation' for closely observed beings that are apparently able to physically manifest at will?
    The circumstances need to be looked into properly to define any semblance of logical answer, but the answer is probably hallucinations or eye floaters.


  • #1260
    MrPudding
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,779 ✭✭✭MrPudding


    Gordon wrote: »
    The circumstances need to be looked into properly to define any semblance of logical answer, but the answer is probably hallucinations or eye floaters.

    My money is on neurochemical imbalance.

    MrP


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  • #1261
    Obliq
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,371 ✭✭✭Obliq


    Oh wow, I've just spotted that you're talking about aliens JC! This is a vast improvement on the acres of gospel :cool: Carry on, and peace out.


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