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Speeding fines (Wexford)

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  • #32
    djimi
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    zerks wrote: »
    They also park outside the old Davis' Mill where it's literally impossible to go faster than 40kph due to the layout of the road.

    One that I have never understood is the van that regularly parks outside the old Red House beside Toughers in Newbridge. It parks just off a roundabout, facing into the roundabout, where the cars that are approaching it are just coming off a roundabout, and the cars that are driving away from it cannot be seen because the roundabout blocks the view of the far side of the road. I have no idea what they are hoping to catch :pac:


  • #33
    No Pants
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    The view that this is only a revenue raising exercise was not helped by the recent Garda whistleblower revelations and the focus that was placed by the media on the potential revenue loss to the state.


  • #34
    pa990
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    zerks wrote: »
    .

    The cops were told from on high to target "revenue based" convictions,so basically they are collecting fines to pay their wages.

    WOW


    Do you have a source that that Scoop, if so you should get that on the front page of every newspaper


  • #35
    pa990
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    No Pants wrote: »
    The view that this is only a revenue raising exercise was not helped by the recent Garda whistleblower revelations and the focus that was placed by the media on the potential revenue loss to the state.

    But how was it raising revenue by/for the Garda, when they were cancelling tickets left right and center.

    Doesn't make for a good business model


  • #36
    corktina
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    they park where they are contracted to park and where it has been surveyed and passed as a safe place to park. Thus in many cases they aren't parked at the spot that a fatac took place, but somewhere near it that is likely not to be a danger spot at all. The zone near Mallow Racecourse is a case in point...everyone one knows it's by the petrol station that the accidents have happened, but there's no where to park as that is the only narrow bit, so they park on the wide bit beyond with the big hard shoulders.


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  • #37
    dr.fuzzenstein
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    corktina wrote: »
    they park where they are contracted to park and where it has been surveyed and passed as a safe place to park. Thus in many cases they aren't parked at the spot that a fatac took place, but somewhere near it that is likely not to be a danger spot at all. The zone near Mallow Racecourse is a case in point...everyone one knows it's by the petrol station that the accidents have happened, but there's no where to park as that is the only narrow bit, so they park on the wide bit beyond with the big hard shoulders.

    I love the argument though.
    Speed cams can't park on accident black spots because It's not safe. LMAO.


  • #38
    corktina
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    does make it all a bit ridiculous. Fixed cameras, even with no film in, would do the job better and could be bang on the spot in question


  • #39
    No Pants
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    pa990 wrote: »
    But how was it raising revenue by/for the Garda, when they were cancelling tickets left right and center.

    Doesn't make for a good business model
    The media kept going on about the potential revenue loss to the state, not the safety aspects.


  • #40
    dr.fuzzenstein
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    corktina wrote: »
    does make it all a bit ridiculous. Fixed cameras, even with no film in, would do the job better and could be bang on the spot in question

    They'd be digital these days I guess.


  • #41
    corktina
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    the situation in the UK is that only some of the boxes have camera equipment in them and it's moved around, but yes, digital I would hope


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  • #42
    ironclaw
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    I think people are kinda taking the whole 'where accidents happen' a little too literally. Obviously on a bad road you can't smack a camera on the exact site of an accident. I'm probably one of the most vocal against these systems but I have no issue in them appearing anywhere along a bad or troublesome road. My issues is a lot of the roads in questions are not bad or remotely dangerous. Outbound at the Castleknock / Navan road is a prime example. Arrow straight 80km/h road.


  • #43
    ABC101
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    A few weeks ago I was driving from the Walkinstown roundabout along the R112, St Peters Road ( I think) heading in the direction of Templeogue.

    It's a fairly long stretch of straight road, with houses either side. Every so often there are pedestrian traffic lights.

    About mid way along there are shops on the left, and of course outside the shops there are cars parked.

    Right at the end of the line of parked cars was a unmarked speed detector van.

    It would be hard to notice, as only its windows were prominent above the line of parked cars.

    Of course I was driving legally, so no worries.. but it was a good one... as drivers would be concentrating on the pedestrian lights and forget to check out the parked van. Effectively any van with windows on the back is suspicious.

    I would agree that the revenue does come in handy for the authorities.. and if everybody chose to drive 5 kph under all the limits.. there would be big pressure to have all current speed limits reduced by 5 Kph. So a 50 zone would become 45 kph etc.

    They will just move the goal posts when it suits them.


  • #44
    doctorneeded
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    Can't believe this country has let them in so meekly.

    The UK is removing a lot of them now due to the fact that it is common knowledge that they are revenue generators.


    Oh and there are privately contracted companies doing this as well as state enforced cameras.


  • #45
    john47
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    Suppose she will just have to slow down.


  • #46
    DanWall
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    Some points why our system is flawed.

    1/ If you think they have made a mistake and challenge them on it, you get twice the fine and twice the penalty points if you cannot prove it. That is not justice.
    2/ Unless you have a cruise control in your car your speed is bound to drift up and down depending how many times you look at your speedo, ( difference between 50 and 60 km/ph is very small) the new average system being introduced in the UK is much more fair system.
    3/ In the UK you do not need constant reminders of the speed limit because the type of road determines it.
    Why is it that in the UK dual carriage ways and motorways are 70 mph , but in Ireland Dual carriage ways are 63mph and some motorways are 63mph (100kmh)?


  • #47
    ironclaw
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    DanWall wrote: »
    2/ Unless you have a cruise control in your car your speed is bound to drift up and down depending how many times you look at your speedo, ( difference between 50 and 60 km/ph is very small) the new average system being introduced in the UK is much more fair system.

    The difference between 50 and 60 is 10km/h. If you can't keep your car bang on, then you shouldn't be driving :confused:

    And average doesn't matter. If you average 50km/h over say a 1km section, to be 'done' for speeding, you have to spend at least 50% of that time above the speed limit. Instant or average is the same thing. There is no advantage to average speed limit cameras other than causing people to slow down for a longer period of time that a single van.


  • #48
    pablo128
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    allthedoyles wrote: »
    Its not ...............Speed kills and I don't need to prove this to anyone .
    These vans while well intentioned, are unable to catch Paddy who's just been fcuked out of the local nightclub and is weaving his way home manky drunk. Once he's not speeding, well he won't suffer any consequence.
    zerks wrote: »
    Explain as to why go safe vans are parked outside the VEC in Enniscorthy at a 50kph zone,it's shooting fish in a barrel there.Further on where the road is more dangerous you can tear along if you so desire as you know a van will never be around even if it's a designated go safe zone.
    Now I'm not a fan of camera vans at all, but if they are to be used anywhere, surely one of the first places you'd pick is outside a school?


  • #49
    dr.fuzzenstein
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    DanWall wrote: »
    Some points why our system is flawed.

    1/ If you think they have made a mistake and challenge them on it, you get twice the fine and twice the penalty points if you cannot prove it. That is not justice.
    2/ Unless you have a cruise control in your car your speed is bound to drift up and down depending how many times you look at your speedo, ( difference between 50 and 60 km/ph is very small) the new average system being introduced in the UK is much more fair system.
    3/ In the UK you do not need constant reminders of the speed limit because the type of road determines it.
    Why is it that in the UK dual carriage ways and motorways are 70 mph , but in Ireland Dual carriage ways are 63mph and some motorways are 63mph (100kmh)?

    Yeah, I think this is really dodgy, I am certain that would not hold up when challenged.
    It's going in the direction of denying the accused due process.
    It's just one of those "strong man beating his chest" laws, that politicians throw out there every so often for vote gathering purposes.
    Everyone should have a right to appeal against a conviction without fear of landing himself in even bigger sh*t.
    It's one of those things the Irish gubberment know exactly is wrong, but due to the financial barriers that are put up against ordinary people to challenge the might of the state, they know it will be a long time before someone brings this to the highest court, who will find in favour of the state (as it would), before bringing it to Europe, who will see it for what it is, something some minister scraped off the sole of his shoe and decided to stick it in a lawbook.


  • #50
    pablo128
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    dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »
    Yeah, I think this is really dodgy, I am certain that would not hold up when challenged.
    It's going in the direction of denying the accused due process.
    It's just one of those "strong man beating his chest" laws, that politicians throw out there every so often for vote gathering purposes.
    Everyone should have a right to appeal against a conviction without fear of landing himself in even bigger sh*t.
    It's one of those things the Irish gubberment know exactly is wrong, but due to the financial barriers that are put up against ordinary people to challenge the might of the state, they know it will be a long time before someone brings this to the highest court, who will find in favour of the state (as it would), before bringing it to Europe, who will see it for what it is, something some minister scraped off the sole of his shoe and decided to stick it in a lawbook.
    My understanding of it is that the penalty for speeding is 4 points, but if you admit your guilt and pay the fine, you only get 2 points. If you fight it and lose, you get all 4.


  • #51
    Snake
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    Ah for god sake if you don't speed you don't need to worry about the vans.


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  • #52
    dr.fuzzenstein
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    pablo128 wrote: »
    My understanding of it is that the penalty for speeding is 4 points, but if you admit your guilt and pay the fine, you only get 2 points. If you fight it and lose, you get all 4.

    Sneaky way of wording it then, still amounts to the same thing.
    Very dodgy legal practice but pretty standard fare for Ireland.
    The sort of "we can make any law we want because no-one will risk ruining themselves to the tune of millions to challenge it"
    Guaranteeing almost feudal rule by threat of complete ruination if any individual should take on the state.
    This country is still stuck a few hundred years back, it is authoritarian in the extreme and unlike other countries criticism is not viewed as someone having a genuine point or suggestion that could improve things, but rather as a challenge that must be slapped down hard and the challenger shut up.
    It looks different on the surface, all kind and cuddly, but the whole system is designed to put up as many barriers to anyone challenging the decisions of the state as possible.
    This also has had the side-effect of no-one actually challenging the decisions of the state, or if they do, to make sure they will never do again (Kathy Sinnot).
    This is why the Irish people roll over for every single sh*t-bomb thrown on them from up high.

    The only way for the Irish people to ever get anything from the ruling classes would be to get organised.
    Imagine if half a million voters banded together in a voting pact and then went to government and said "Listen here,sunshine, we want X,Y and Z and if we don't get it, we vote the other guy in. If he doesn't do it, we vote the next guy in. We will do this until we get a guy who does what we want, or we just vote one of our guys in who WILL do what we want, so you better start dancing to our tune tout suite! So hop to it, chop suey!"
    You can forget protests, petitions, lawsuits against the state, lobbying your local TD, they are all a waste of time, only organising against the thieves and crooks in government will work.


  • #53
    Wheelnut
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    dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »
    Sneaky way of wording it then...feudal rule by threat of complete ruination ... it is authoritarian in the extreme ...challenging the decisions of the state ... ever get anything from the ruling classes ... organising against the thieves and crooks in government ...

    ...and that's just a reaction to a speeding fine!!! :eek:


  • #54
    dr.fuzzenstein
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,575 ✭✭✭✭dr.fuzzenstein


    Wheelnut wrote: »
    ...and that's just a reaction to a speeding fine!!! :eek:

    More general musings about how the Irish state is organised.
    All based on British rule, anyone dares stick their head up, slap 'em down!
    This country is on paper a democracy, but in reality once the government is elected, they would rather we keep our noses out of their business and let them get on with it, since they know better and we should just be grateful that they make up our minds for us.


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