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Peaches Geldof died due to heroin overdose**MOD NOTE: NO JOKES**

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  • #332
    iguana
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    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Personally, I don't buy that it was all a public image. It was obvious she loved those kids dearly and they certainly were well cared for. She was a human being with flaws, just because she used drugs it doesn't cancel out all the good things about her.

    In all honesty what do any of us actually know about how that family's life really was? As I've mentioned up thread I have quite a bit of experience of addicted loved ones and I can tell you there are some people I know who if you mainly knew them through their Facebook page you'd think they were wonderful parents, the absolute best. With all their great family photos and wonderful fun anecdotes about the funny things their kids do, their happy family activities and links to clever parenting articles. But the reality is that their partner/parents/siblings do all the caring for the child/ren and would do everything in their power to ensure that person never has responsibility for the child (and they go through absolute hell, day in, day out while they do this). It doesn't mean that they don't love the child on some level and that the rest of the family doesn't manage their interactions so carefully that the child ever feels anything but love (possible with a very young child, not so much an older one) but as long as they are in the real grip of addiction they can't truly be an even remotely good parent.


  • #333
    beach_walker
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    It's all very sad.


  • #334
    WilyCoyote
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    Muise... wrote: »
    No, gowl is Munster for cúnt.

    Speaking no ill of the dead does not mean praising them to high heaven. It just means not driving a stake through their barely-cold heart.

    It's more a Cork and Limerick City saying than a Munster one.

    However, I disagree with you on the speak no ill bit

    If people spoke a bit more honestly about the dead some of these gurriers might think twice before they do abominable things. Take for instance politicians ...... other politicians of all persuasions lining up to eulogise gombeen Mé Féiners. Why? Because they want the same treatment if their corrupt little dealings come to light.


  • #335
    LuckyLloyd
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    mrsbyrne wrote: »
    Most parents love their kids. Most kids are well cared for , some are even very well cared for despite their parents facing all kinds of financial difficulties that Peaches couldn't even have dreamt of. Buying and using heroin when in sole charge of an infant doesn't make her a human with flaws it makes her criminally negligent. Just because she's dead now doesn't change that fact. Loving and caring for your kids isn't something you should be applauded for.
    Its your duty.
    Start applauding and lauding the parents who do deserve our admiration but don't seek adulation in the limelight.The parents of disabled,Ill and injured kids working away day and night in silence. They may not be pretty blonde thin and opinionated but they are the real role models.

    Just want to say that I think your posts on this thread have been spot on, well played. It's amazing how much of an effect her public image has had on people's analysis of this celebrity death.

    In my opinion, 'good mother' and 'loved her kids' don't jive with 'shot up heroin beside her infant son'. No sir. Not even a little bit.


  • #336
    Mince Pie
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    Weren't the reports made that heroin played a part in her death and not necessarily that she died of an overdose. I have lost two friends to heroin and both were in recovery at the time and died of heart attacks. So is there proof she was high whilst looking after her son?

    Wasn't going to post cos this thread has utterly depressed me but just wanted to put the above comment out there for the naysayers who are accusing her of taking drugs while looking after her children.


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  • #337
    Da Shins Kelly
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    Mince Pie wrote: »
    Weren't the reports made that heroin played a part in her death and not necessarily that she died of an overdose. I have lost two friends to heroin and both were in recovery at the time and died of heart attacks. So is there proof she was high whilst looking after her son?

    Wasn't going to post cos this thread has utterly depressed me but just wanted to put the above comment out there for the naysayers who are accusing her of taking drugs while looking after her children.

    This is what I was thinking. If it was an overdose, would they not have just said that? "Drug intoxication" or whatever term they use? Right now they're just saying that heroin may have contributed to her death, which may mean there is something more going on.


  • #338
    michellie
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    Mince Pie wrote: »
    Weren't the reports made that heroin played a part in her death and not necessarily that she died of an overdose. I have lost two friends to heroin and both were in recovery at the time and died of heart attacks. So is there proof she was high whilst looking after her son?

    Wasn't going to post cos this thread has utterly depressed me but just wanted to put the above comment out there for the naysayers who are accusing her of taking drugs while looking after her children.

    Yes, my thoughts exactly!


  • #339
    cometogether
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    What a waste


  • #340
    Fr_Dougal
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    mrsbyrne wrote: »
    Most parents love their kids. Most kids are well cared for , some are even very well cared for despite their parents facing all kinds of financial difficulties that Peaches couldn't even have dreamt of. Buying and using heroin when in sole charge of an infant doesn't make her a human with flaws it makes her criminally negligent. Just because she's dead now doesn't change that fact. Loving and caring for your kids isn't something you should be applauded for.
    Its your duty.
    Start applauding and lauding the parents who do deserve our admiration but don't seek adulation in the limelight.The parents of disabled,Ill and injured kids working away day and night in silence. They may not be pretty blonde thin and opinionated but they are the real role models.

    What I can't understand is you slate Peaches Geldof even though she cared for her kids when she was alive, yet you are the first to defend the McCanns who didn't care for their missing daughter, the same parents who's lack of care for their child lead to her disappearance.


  • #341
    mitosis
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    I want to know. Someone called emergency services and said she was in trouble. There were no reports of drugs or paraphernalia at the scene.

    Who was doing the heroin with her and left her to die after tidying up?


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  • #342
    --LOS--
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    Suryavarman wrote: »
    There's a lot of ignorance with regards mental health, drug use and addiction in this thread.

    Those painting Peaches Geldof as some kind of monstrous, incompetent mother just because she died from an overdose are ridiculous. Just because she died from an overdose does not mean she put drugs before her kids. Would these people go down to the local pub and tell parents there to stop putting drugs before their kids? At the least I'd expect the parents among you stay teetotal, one would have to be a pretty bad parent to choose the high stool over their kids.

    As for people saying that she had the money to get help and she chose not to so therefore she deserves no sympathy are just as off the mark. Just because she had the money to get help doesn't mean she had the strength to do so. It can be a hell of a lot easier to ring a dealer for some heroin than to ring a family member or a friend or a mental health professional for some help. Drugs won't judge you, drugs won't tell you of their own problems in an effort to make yours seem insignificant and drugs won't turn the other way and ignore you. But drugs most definitely do offer respite (however temporary) from whatever problems you are dealing with.

    So to all the people saying there's always a choice. Yes there is always a choice, and sadly for many people they see the incorrect choice as the best choice or the only choice. So maybe the people trying to assert their moral superiority should recognise those facts and hope that somebody close to them never experiences those problems or is struggling with those problems silently at the moment.

    couldnt agree more


  • #343
    mrsbyrne
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    mitosis wrote: »
    I want to know. Someone called emergency services and said she was in trouble. There were no reports of drugs or paraphernalia at the scene.

    Who was doing the heroin with her and left her to die after tidying up?

    Earlier today it was reported that the Inquest is to be told that the police think that whoever found her cleaned up before calling the police but I don't see it anywhere now, which would indicate that that may not be true.


  • #344
    mrsbyrne
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    TheZohan wrote: »
    What I can't understand is you slate Peaches Geldof even though she cared for her kids when she was alive, yet you are the first to defend the McCanns who didn't care for their missing daughter, the same parents who's lack of care for their child lead to her disappearance.

    Its not difficult to understand. Over a period of time I read all I could about the Madeleine McCann case. I had an open mind. I came to the conclusion that the McCanns had nothing to do with her disappearance .I'm not I interested in the whole neglect claim. Somebody stole Madeleine. That person is responsible for hr disappearance. Find that person.
    The coroner in UK today has said that Peaches had heroin in her system and that the amount contributed to her death.
    One way or another she allowed her self to be in sole charge of her infant child while either high or even overdosing on heroin. That makes her criminally negligent in my book. Maybe you think its OK to be high when you are home alone with an infant. That's your opinion. I don't agree.


  • #345
    Olive8585
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    mitosis wrote: »
    I want to know. Someone called emergency services and said she was in trouble. There were no reports of drugs or paraphernalia at the scene.

    Who was doing the heroin with her and left her to die after tidying up?

    The husband called the emergency services. Who's to say anyone left her to die after tidying up?


  • #346
    Mince Pie
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    mrsbyrne wrote: »
    Its not difficult to understand. Over a period of time I read all I could about the Madeleine McCann case. I had an open mind. I came to the conclusion that the McCanns had nothing to do with her disappearance .I'm not I interested in the whole neglect claim. Somebody stole Madeleine. That person is responsible for hr disappearance. Find that person.
    The coroner in UK today has said that Peaches had heroin in her system and that the amount contributed to her death.
    One way or another she allowed her self to be in sole charge of her infant child while either high or even overdosing on heroin. That makes her criminally negligent in my book. Maybe you think its OK to be high when you are home alone with an infant. That's your opinion. I don't agree.

    The McCanns were having a drink in a local taverna but they're not negligent.

    Peaches Geldof - the report said that heroin "played a part" in her death = negligent.

    Makes sense. :confused:

    If the McCanns had their children with them they couldn't have been abducted but thats taking the thread off topic and this is about Peaches.

    We don't know all the FACTS of this case. Its just a truly sad story about a young woman who died and left two young children, a husband and father grieving.


  • #347
    mrsbyrne
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    Olive8585 wrote: »
    The husband called the emergency services. Who's to say anyone left her to die after tidying up?

    I think the point is that the police appear to have said that they found no trace of drug paraphanalia anywhere, so if she had enough of heroin in her to kill her, then how did she ingest it, where is the syringe, spoon, tinfoil, tourniquet etc, who removed it and when?


  • #348
    frostyjacks
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    I knew this image of her as the perfect mum was hokum. She was no better than those skangers you see down the boardwalks. She was actually worse; being born into vast wealth and choosing to shoot it up her veins. At least the skangers don't try to pass themselves off as something they're not.


  • #349
    beks101
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    Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »
    Peaches has now brought that burden onto her own children. Knowing what she knew growing up, that's a seriously nasty legacy she has left them.

    I agree, and how incredibly sad and tragic that she couldn't escape that same legacy herself.

    That she couldn't overcome her own issues and she too succumbed to them, at the cost of her own life and her kids' lives and her family's future happiness.

    I find that incredibly sad and don't understand this overwhelming reaction of 'what a selfish, selfish woman' - of course from an outside perspective that's how it seems, but that's to look at things from a rational, objective state of mind, which obviously the girl didn't have.

    Who can ever know what kind of baggage and turmoil and emotional hell and addiction issues she could've been going through - a quick glance at her family history and personal history will tell you a LOT.

    Is a bit of compassion completely out of the question?


  • #350
    Fr_Dougal
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    mrsbyrne wrote: »
    Its not difficult to understand. Over a period of time I read all I could about the Madeleine McCann case. I had an open mind. I came to the conclusion that the McCanns had nothing to do with her disappearance .I'm not I interested in the whole neglect claim. Somebody stole Madeleine. That person is responsible for hr disappearance. Find that person.
    The coroner in UK today has said that Peaches had heroin in her system and that the amount contributed to her death.
    One way or another she allowed her self to be in sole charge of her infant child while either high or even overdosing on heroin. That makes her criminally negligent in my book. Maybe you think its OK to be high when you are home alone with an infant. That's your opinion. I don't agree.

    O...K...then....


  • #351
    Olive8585
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    mrsbyrne wrote: »
    I think the point is that the police appear to have said that they found no trace of drug paraphanalia anywhere, so if she had enough of heroin in her to kill her, then how did she ingest it, where is the syringe, spoon, tinfoil, tourniquet etc, who removed it and when?

    It could have been done after the emergency services were called, or someone could have taken it away not realising that she'd overdosed? If she had babies in the house, I'd imagine she wouldn't have wanted syringes lying around the house.


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  • #352
    mrsbyrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,228 ✭✭✭mrsbyrne


    TheZohan wrote: »
    O...K...then....

    O. K. Yourself then ?


  • #353
    seamonkey92
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    PizzamanIRL wrote: »
    Why the **** would you take heroin when you have 2 little kids that need looking after? No matter what problems you may have, you don't do that.

    Obviously had a drug problem, think she was doing well for a few years aswell, shame she relapsed. It's a pity of her family.


  • #354
    mrsbyrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,228 ✭✭✭mrsbyrne


    Mince Pie wrote: »
    The McCanns were having a drink in a local taverna but they're not negligent.

    Peaches Geldof - the report said that heroin "played a part" in her death = negligent.

    Makes sense. :confused:

    If the McCanns had their children with them they couldn't have been abducted but thats taking the thread off topic and this is about Peaches.

    We don't know all the FACTS of this case. Its just a truly sad story about a young woman who died and left two young children, a husband and father grieving.

    I didn't bring Madeleine into this thread and neither did you. Incidentally you know that the McCanns were not in a" local taverna" they were eating at a table 100 yards from the apartment. Let's stick to the facts.


  • #355
    Da Shins Kelly
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    Olive8585 wrote: »
    It could have been done after the emergency services were called, or someone could have taken it away not realising that she'd overdosed? If she had babies in the house, I'd imagine she wouldn't have wanted syringes lying around the house.

    She might not have even overdosed. Also, there is more than one way of inducing heroin that doesn't involve a syringe. Very possible she could have smoked it or snorted it.


  • #356
    Olive8585
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    Da Shins Kelly wrote: »
    She might not have even overdosed. Also, there is more than one way of inducing heroin that doesn't involve a syringe. Very possible she could have smoked it or snorted it.

    There would still be paraphernalia in that case, though. It's also quite possible as you say that it wasn't an OD at all and that it was more an accumulation of recent heroin use along with her fad diet and other unhealthy lifestyle stuff.


  • #357
    frostyjacks
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    Olive8585 wrote: »
    If she had babies in the house, I'd imagine she wouldn't have wanted syringes lying around the house.

    Jeez, most families worry about their little ones opening cupboard doors or kitchen drawers. With the Geldof's its watch out for any used needles or crack pipes lying about. The husband must have been aware of what she was up to.


  • #358
    mrsbyrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,228 ✭✭✭mrsbyrne


    Olive8585 wrote: »
    There would still be paraphernalia in that case, though. It's also quite possible as you say that it wasn't an OD at all and that it was more an accumulation of recent heroin use along with her fad diet and other unhealthy lifestyle stuff.

    Olive here is a reliable newspaper account of what was said at the inquest today.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/10801150/Peaches-Geldofs-body-found-by-husband-after-she-took-heroin.html


  • #359
    Mince Pie
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    mrsbyrne wrote: »
    I didn't bring Madeleine into this thread and neither did you. Incidentally you know that the McCanns were not in a" local taverna" they were eating at a table 100 yards from the apartment. Let's stick to the facts.

    Far enough away that they weren't aware of their daughter being abducted regardless of where they were. Eating at a table in what?

    I just find it remarkable that its ok to pop out for some grub with your mates and thats not neglect but being found with your child is considering the report said heroin "played a part" and I stick by my earlier statement of losing a cousin and friend to heroin. They were in recovery but had heart attacks.

    I really hoped that nothing would come of the toxicology reports because I knew it would turn into carnage judging by the last thread. Really harrowing reading.


  • #360
    mrsbyrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,228 ✭✭✭mrsbyrne


    If the police believed there was no third party involvement in her death, but that the drug paraphanalia was removed before the police arrived, then that would imply that someone who arrived at the house after she died removed it.


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  • #361
    Boombastic
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    Police are hunting for her murderer* according to some of tomorrows paper


    *murderer =drug dealer Katie french style


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