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The Origin of Specious Nonsense. Twelve years on. Still going. Answer soon.

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  • #1172
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    sea_monkey wrote: »
    All of those that you mentioned are religious in nature so why should the state pay for them?
    Let the religions pay for them if they are so important.
    Using state funds to further religious intent is wrong when those funds come from people who do not believe.
    ... it's no less wrong than using state funds to further irreligious intent ... when over 90% of the funds come from the 90% plus people in Ireland who believe in the existence of God(s).

    As two wrongs don't make a right ... the only way that this can be resolved fairly and equitably is to present a fair and balanced educational programme of the views and the under-pinning assumptions of both un-believers and believers. On many issues, they will be identical, but where they differ about fundamental issues such as 'origins' and life ethics, for example, all sides (and their beliefs) should be respected.
    sea_monkey wrote: »
    As for the education thing, it would be wrong to educate children incorrectly.
    On this we can agree ... although I suspect I may disagree with your definition of 'incorrectly'.:)
    Atheist states (and single faith states) have been tried and found wanting.
    The modern thinking is for pluralist states respecting the beliefs and (non-beliefs) of their citizens - and a fair and balanced presentation of these beliefs and their under-pinning evidence is a key part of educating children to live respectfully and peacefully in these societies, when they become adults.


  • #1173
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Bellatori wrote: »
    They will just ignore it as with everything else that is slightly problematic for them.

    Just like the following

    bbc.co.uk/news/10132762

    Scientists took the DNA out of a cell and ran it through an analyser. They then manufactured an identical DNA and put it back in the remnants of a cell. Now the remnants of the cell is a non-living artefact. All the chemicals used to make the artificial DNA are also non-living so the creation of the living cells represents living from non-living therefore the nature of life itself is not special but intrinsic to the chemical nature of the processes.
    Human Beings are made in the image and likeness of the God who created life ... and they therefore are capable of artificailly copying and altering its various components using intelligently designed processes ... such as the process described in the link.


  • #1174
    _Redzer_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,056 ✭✭✭_Redzer_


    J C wrote: »
    Human Beings are made in the image and likeness of the God who created life ... and they therefore are capable of artificailly copying and altering its various components using intelligently designed processes ... such as the process described in the link.

    Ok it must be true since you said so.


  • #1175
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    J C wrote: »
    Human Beings are made in the image and likeness of the God who created life ... and they therefore are capable of artificailly copying and altering its various components using intelligently designed processes ... such as the process described in the link.

    *facepalm*


  • #1176
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    _Redzer_ wrote: »
    Ok it must be true since you said so.
    It's true because the Bible says so ... and the production of artificial DNA is certainly in line with the idea that we are capable of Intelligent Design, just like God.


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  • #1177
    _Redzer_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,056 ✭✭✭_Redzer_


    J C wrote: »
    It's true because the Bible says so ... and the production of artificial DNA is certainly in line with the idea that we are capable of Intelligent Design, just like God.

    And just like the bible.

    Woah, hang on, that wasn't intelligent design. Never mind


  • #1178
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    J C wrote: »
    It's true because the Bible says so ... and the production of artificial DNA is certainly in line with the idea that we are capable of Intelligent Design, just like God.

    So it is ok to stone a woman to death if she is not a virgin?


  • #1179
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,034 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    J C wrote: »
    It's true because the Bible says so ... and the production of artificial DNA is certainly in line with the idea that we are capable of Intelligent Design, just like God.

    The bible is true because the bible says so. :rolleyes:

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #1180
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    bumper234 wrote: »
    So it is ok to stone a woman to death if she is not a virgin?
    It's certainly not OK to do so.
    The fact that the Mosaic Laws were excessive ... just like King David's murderous adultery, for example, (which is also recorded in the Bible) doesn't invalidate the truth of the Bible.

    Indeed the recording of the very Human, 'warts and all' accounts of the behaviour of the Isrealites shows that the Bible isn't a 'sanitised' version of events ... and it is therefore the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

    Human sin and hypocracy is there in the Bible for everyone to see ... and with no attempt made to hide the ugly truth of what sinful Humans can get up to.


  • #1181
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    SW wrote: »
    The bible is true because the bible says so. :rolleyes:
    ... and many aspects of it's truth is verifiable and in line with observable evidence.;)


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  • #1182
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,034 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    J C wrote: »
    ... and many aspects of it's truth is verifiable and in line with observable evidence.;)
    feel free to give examples.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #1183
    Pherekydes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,247 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    J C wrote: »
    It's true because the Bible says so

    It's astonishing that anyone would claim this in 2014.


  • #1184
    Pherekydes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,247 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    J C wrote: »
    ... and many aspects of it's truth is verifiable and in line with observable evidence.;)

    I wonder who observed that Mary was a virgin? ;)


  • #1185
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Pherekydes wrote: »
    I wonder who observed that Mary was a virgin? ;)
    God Himself did ... and you can't get anything more definitive, when it comes to (male of female) virginity (or anthing else) than that.


  • #1186
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Pherekydes wrote: »
    It's astonishing that anyone would claim this in 2014.
    Why?

    From my perspective is a lot less astonishing than somebody believing in Spontaneous Evolution ... but there you go ... different strokes for different folks ... I guess!!!:)


  • #1187
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    J C wrote: »
    It's certainly not OK to do so.
    The fact that the Mosaic Laws were excessive ... just like King David's murderous adultery, for example, (which is also recorded in the Bible) doesn't invalidate the truth of the Bible.

    Indeed the recording of the very Human, 'warts and all' accounts of the behaviour of the Isrealites shows that the Bible isn't a 'sanitised' version of events ... and it is therefore the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

    Human sin and hypocracy is there in the Bible for everyone to see ... and with no attempt made to hide the ugly truth of what sinful Humans can get up to.

    but you said
    J C wrote: »
    It's true because the Bible says so ... and the production of artificial DNA is certainly in line with the idea that we are capable of Intelligent Design, just like God.

    So if it's in the bible then it's true but then you say only bits of the bible is true......seriously hypocritical to pick and choose the parts that "validate" your argument but then choose to ignore the parts of the bible that negate your arguments.


  • #1188
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,034 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    J C wrote: »
    Why?

    From my perspective is a lot less astonishing than somebody believing in Spontaneous Evolution ... but there you go ... different strokes for different folks ... I guess!!!:)
    that's an oxymoron.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #1189
    Pherekydes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,247 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    J C wrote: »
    Why?

    From my perspective is a lot less astonishing than somebody believing in Spontaneous Evolution ... but there you go ... different strokes for different folks ... I guess!!!:)

    Because if you bothered to read the bible properly, you'd realise it is full of contradictions, lies and deceits.

    But carry on!!!! Whatever keeps you happy!!!!

    Have you watched Cosmos?

    God, who made Neil deGrasse Tyson, is responsible for it. So it's the Truth!!!!!


  • #1190
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    SW wrote: »
    that's an oxymoron.
    I know ... but it happens to be one of the most deeply held beliefs in current society.
    I can see why and how they believe in spontaneous evolution ... and indeed I once deeply held the belief myself ... so far be it from me to criticise anybody for holding a belief I once held myself.


  • #1191
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,034 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    J C wrote: »
    I know ... but it happens to be one of the most deeply held beliefs in current society.
    I can see why and how they believe in spontaneous evolution ... and indeed I once deeply held the belief myself ... so far be it from me to criticise anybody for holding a belief I once held myself.
    It's a term you made up so I fail to see how anyone believes in it. It also highlights your lack of understanding regarding evolution.

    And feel free to give examples supporting creationism, as you have stated there is plenty of it.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



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  • #1192
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Pherekydes wrote: »
    Because if you bothered to read the bible properly, you'd realise it is full of contradictions, lies and deceits.

    But carry on!!!! Whatever keeps you happy!!!!

    Have you watched Cosmos?

    God, who made Neil deGrasse Tyson, is responsible for it. So it's the Truth!!!!!
    You're right that the fact that life was intelligently designed doesn't exclusivley validate my belief that it was the Triune God who did it ... it could be any very great intelligence ... it could be Neil deGrasse Tyson, like you say ... or some kind of aliens like some people say, is also a distinct possiblity.


  • #1193
    _Redzer_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,056 ✭✭✭_Redzer_


    J C wrote: »
    You're right that the fact that life was intelligently designed doesn't exclusivley validate my belief that it was the Triune God who did it ... it could be any very great intelligence ... it could be Neil deGrasse Tyson, like you say ... or some kind of aliens like some people say, is also a distinct possiblity.
    So you believe in aliens sooner than you believe in evolution?


  • #1194
    Brian Shanahan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,232 ✭✭✭Brian Shanahan


    _Redzer_ wrote: »
    And just like the bible.

    Woah, hang on, that wasn't intelligent design. Never mind

    Don't you just love that JC is actually stupid enough to thank you despite the fact that you're destroying the single argument he uses every time, and will use every time in the future too.


  • #1195
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    SW wrote: »
    It's a term you made up so I fail to see how anyone believes in it. It also highlights your lack of understanding regarding evolution.

    And feel free to give examples supporting creationism, as you have stated there is plenty of it.
    If evolution (from Pondkind to Mankind) happened ... then it was either spontaneously or intelligently generated.

    The Modern Evolutionary Synthesis attempts to explain the origins and evolution of life via spontaneous i.e. natural processes (as distinct from intelligently directed processes) ...
    Spontaneous Evolution therefore accurately describes what the Modern Synthesis says in relation to Evolution.


  • #1196
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,034 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    J C wrote: »
    If evolution (from Pondkind to Mankind) happened ... then it was either spontaneously or intelligently generated.

    The modern Evolutionary synthesis attempts to explain the origins and evolution of life via spontaneous i.e. natural processes (as distinct from intelligently directed processes) ...
    Spontaneous Evolution therefore accurately describes what the Modern Synthesis says in relation to Evolution.
    evolution -> slow gradual change over time.

    Your understanding of evolution -> spontaneous slow gradual change over time. It's clearly an oxymoron. If you're going to argue against something, at least address what it is.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #1197
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    _Redzer_ wrote: »
    So you believe in aliens sooner than you believe in evolution?
    You're right about that.

    I know that Aliens exist as I've seen them ... and I know that Spontaneous Evolution is an impossibility.

    BTW I also know that Natural Selection of pre-existing genetic diversity is a scientifically validated fact.


  • #1198
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    SW wrote: »
    evolution -> slow gradual change over time.

    Your understanding of evolution -> spontaneous slow gradual change over time. It's clearly an oxymoron. If you're going to argue against something, at least address what it is.
    Evolution (using NS of pre-exiting genetic diversity) can be quite rapid.

    Evolution exists ... it's just that it's not capable of generating the novel complex functional specified genetic information required to transition from pondkind to Mankind.


  • #1199
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Brian Shanahan wrote: »
    Don't you just love that JC is actually stupid enough to thank you despite the fact that you're destroying the single argument he uses every time, and will use every time in the future too.
    I was being polite ... its good to talk ... and to thank people ... even those with whom you disagree.

    ... and come on Brian ... whatever else I may be ... 'stupid' isn't one of them.

    Lets spread the love!!!:)


  • #1200
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,851 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    J C wrote: »
    I know that Aliens exist as I've seen them ...

    Suddenly, your posts take on a whole new character.


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  • #1201
    MrPudding
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,779 ✭✭✭MrPudding


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    Suddenly, your posts take on a whole new character.

    He has posted about his experience before.

    MrP


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