Peaches Geldof died due to heroin overdoseMOD NOTE: NO JOKES

downonthefarm · 01-05-2014 07:03PM

hotamatua wrote: »

Heroin strikes again.Why would anybody want to inject that filth in their bodies?

There are quicker and easier ways to end ones life if that was her intention

mrsbyrne · 01-05-2014 07:03PM

TwoShedsJackson wrote: »

Nor does it need to be given out indiscriminately just because the person who died was well-known. The sanctification of the 'celebrity' dead by some sections of the media is cringe-worthy.

Peaches Geldofs promoted her carefully constructed public image of an earth mother selflessly devoted to her family elevated her to the level of role model and people bought into that.
She was exploiting this to make money, magazine columns newspaper interviews TV appearances etc.
This now appears to have been a total sham.
People should look closer to home for role models. Your mother, your aunty the neighbour struggling valiantly with a disabled child. These are real people.
The Peaches Geldof on This Morning and in her magazine column was a puff of smoke, a fake. The real Peaches was so messed up she bought heroin to shoot up while in sole charge of her infant. My sympathy to her family.

mikom · 01-05-2014 07:06PM

mrsbyrne wrote: »

Peaches Geldofs promoted her carefully constructed public image of an earth mother selflessly devoted to her family elevated her to the level of role model and people bought into that.
She was exploiting this to make money, magazine columns newspaper interviews TV appearances etc.
This now appears to have been a total sham.
People should look closer to home for role models. Your mother, your aunty the neighbour struggling valiantly with a disabled child. These are real people.
The Peaches Geldof on This Morning and in her magazine column was a puff of smoke, a fake. The real Peaches was so messed up she bought heroin to shoot up while in sole charge of her infant. My sympathy to her family.

God be with the days when Gerry Ryan was decrying the drug dealers on his morning talk show........

Fake it til ya make it....... so they say.

Muise... · 01-05-2014 07:10PM

Tony EH wrote: »

It may be on the spectrum of sad, but frankly it's on the lower end of my scale. Peaches Geldof is frankly, not worth the toenail of any of the four people I've seen put in the ground over the last two weeks.

Nor is this "tragedy" even remotely on the same level as the dead school kids in that sinking in South Korea, or the missing flight in Malaysia.

Peaches invited her death, while simultaneously showing herself up to be the hypocrite she was.

Fair enough, and I'm not getting at you personally, but my point all along hasn't been "Peaches 4eva RIP xxx" but to say she's dead and no amount of criticism will bother her. It'll just make you sound like a vuvuzela at a funeral. It'd be more useful to criticise the celebrity culture that plays with people and then gleefully mourns their deaths.

Tony EH · 01-05-2014 07:16PM

It's equally legit to criticise the "celebs" who actively court that "culture"as well, especially when they are telling people to live in a certain way.

01-05-2014 07:25PM

hotamatua wrote: »

Heroin strikes again.Why would anybody want to inject that filth in their bodies?

Something about escapism or comfort blankets or something.

ceadaoin. · 01-05-2014 07:28PM

mrsbyrne wrote: »

Peaches Geldofs promoted her carefully constructed public image of an earth mother selflessly devoted to her family elevated her to the level of role model and people bought into that.
She was exploiting this to make money, magazine columns newspaper interviews TV appearances etc.
This now appears to have been a total sham.
People should look closer to home for role models. Your mother, your aunty the neighbour struggling valiantly with a disabled child. These are real people.
The Peaches Geldof on This Morning and in her magazine column was a puff of smoke, a fake. The real Peaches was so messed up she bought heroin to shoot up while in sole charge of her infant. My sympathy to her family.

Personally, I don't buy that it was all a public image. It was obvious she loved those kids dearly and they certainly were well cared for. She was a human being with flaws, just because she used drugs it doesn't cancel out all the good things about her.

Muise... · 01-05-2014 07:37PM

Tony EH wrote: »

It's equally legit to criticise the "celebs" who actively court that "culture"as well, especially when they are telling people to live in a certain way.

Of course it is. But when they're dead, even if their death coincidentally proves your point about their vacuity and their moral failings, it is pointless and crass. De mortuis nihil nisi bonum - speak no ill of the dead is still a widely-held edict and, for most, with good reason.

mrsbyrne · 01-05-2014 07:43PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Personally, I don't buy that it was all a public image. It was obvious she loved those kids dearly and they certainly were well cared for. She was a human being with flaws, just because she used drugs it doesn't cancel out all the good things about her.

Most parents love their kids. Most kids are well cared for , some are even very well cared for despite their parents facing all kinds of financial difficulties that Peaches couldn't even have dreamt of. Buying and using heroin when in sole charge of an infant doesn't make her a human with flaws it makes her criminally negligent. Just because she's dead now doesn't change that fact. Loving and caring for your kids isn't something you should be applauded for.
Its your duty.
Start applauding and lauding the parents who do deserve our admiration but don't seek adulation in the limelight.The parents of disabled,Ill and injured kids working away day and night in silence. They may not be pretty blonde thin and opinionated but they are the real role models.

Tony EH · 01-05-2014 07:44PM

Muise... wrote: »

Of course it is. But when they're dead, even if their death coincidentally proves your point about their vacuity and their moral failings, it is pointless and crass. De mortuis nihil nisi bonum - speak no ill of the dead is still a widely-held edict and, for most, with good reason.

I've never bought into that.

mrsbyrne · 01-05-2014 07:45PM

Tony EH wrote: »

I've never bought into that.

Nor me. It doesn't make sense.

Muise... · 01-05-2014 07:49PM

mrsbyrne wrote: »

Nor me. It doesn't make sense.

Really? Criticising someone who cannot reply is generally seen as being a gowl.

Also, LOL: http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2014/05/01/the-cause-of-peaches-geldofs-death-is-everyones-business/

Da Shins Kelly · 01-05-2014 07:58PM

Very grim indeed. A sad circle of tragedy here, history repeating itself. I feel sad for her father and her children, and I feel terribly sad for Peaches herself. Sure, anyone who takes drugs knows there is a risk involved, but I don't think anyone ever thinks that they'll get addicted or die from it. I'm sure she had a lot of complicated issues from childhood. Life is hard sometimes.

They're saying "heroin played a part in her death" or something like that. Is that a roundabout way of saying it was a heroin overdose, or could there be more to it that hasn't been revealed yet?

They said in the initial investigation that there was no drug paraphernalia in the house, which seems odd. Did the husband clean up before calling emergency services? Also, it was said initially that her husband was not home and had a neighbour to go around and check on her when she wasn't answering his calls, now it's being said that he was the one who found her with his mother, and thought she was just sleeping.

Seems odd. The husband might have known there was something up with her.

mrsbyrne · 01-05-2014 08:00PM

Muise... wrote: »

Really? Criticising someone who cannot reply is generally seen as being a gowl.

Do you mean ghoul? Yes your right I'm probably ghoulish. I see young men in our community who have got high/ drunk stole a car crashed it and thankfully only killed themselves and their Facebook page is littered with nonsense about them being the greatest thing since sliced bread tribute after tribute nauseating stuff about the gates of Heaven opening wide and God only taking the best.
I see a drug dealing dying by his own sword and people tripping over themselves to lament him and mourn. Its crazy and it teaches young people that they don't ever need to take any personal responsibility. Its wrong.

ceadaoin. · 01-05-2014 08:03PM

mrsbyrne wrote: »

Most parents love their kids. Most kids are well cared for , some are even very well cared for despite their parents facing all kinds of financial difficulties that Peaches couldn't even have dreamt of. Buying and using heroin when in sole charge of an infant doesn't make her a human with flaws it makes her criminally negligent. Just because she's dead now doesn't change that fact. Loving and caring for your kids isn't something you should be applauded for.
Its your duty.
Start applauding and lauding the parents who do deserve our admiration but don't seek adulation in the limelight.The parents of disabled,Ill and injured kids working away day and night in silence. They may not be pretty blonde thin and opinionated but they are the real role models.

The account I read stated that the kids had gone away with her husband for the weekend and were due back on Monday. For some reason, the youngest son was brought back to her on Sunday evening. Maybe she had already taken the drugs by then thinking that she had the night to herself, who knows? Did the report say her death was caused by an overdose or just that heroin was a contributing factor?

Yes, most people wouldn't take heroin while looking after their kids but if you had grown up around drugs and had friends who regularly took drugs then you might see it differently. Most people would see nothing wrong with having a glass of wine after the kids go to bed, some people might view cocaine and heroin in a similar fashion, especially if they had managed to function pretty well on previous occasions. I'm not condoning it but you can see how peoples attitudes may become skewed.

Muise... · 01-05-2014 08:04PM

mrsbyrne wrote: »

Do you mean ghoul? Yes your right I'm probably ghoulish. I see young men in our community who have got high/ drunk stole a car crashed it and thankfully only killed themselves and their Facebook page is littered with nonsense about them being the greatest thing since sliced bread tribute after tribute nauseating stuff about the gates of Heaven opening wide and God only taking the best.
I see a drug dealing dying by his own sword and people tripping over themselves to lament him and mourn. Its crazy and it teaches young people that they don't ever need to take any personal responsibility. Its wrong.

No, gowl is Munster for cúnt.

Speaking no ill of the dead does not mean praising them to high heaven. It just means not driving a stake through their barely-cold heart.

mrsbyrne · 01-05-2014 08:12PM

Muise... wrote: »

No, gowl is Munster for cúnt.

Speaking no ill of the dead does not mean praising them to high heaven. It just means not driving a stake through their barely-cold heart.

I don't think putting a fada over the word **** makes it any less of a disgusting slur.
I wouldn't think anything I've said about Peaches Geldof could be described as driving a stake through her heart.

mrsbyrne · 01-05-2014 08:16PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

The account I read stated that the kids had gone away with her husband for the weekend and were due back on Monday. For some reason, the youngest son was brought back to her on Sunday evening. Maybe she had already taken the drugs by then thinking that she had the night to herself, who knows? Did the report say her death was caused by an overdose or just that heroin was a contributing factor?

Yes, most people wouldn't take heroin while looking after their kids but if you had grown up around drugs and had friends who regularly took drugs then you might see it differently. Most people would see nothing wrong with having a glass of wine after the kids go to bed, some people might view cocaine and heroin in a similar fashion, especially if they had managed to function pretty well on previous occasions. I'm not condoning it but you can see how peoples attitudes may become skewed.

People who grow up in a drugs culture and progress to drug abuse themselves don't generally find themselves in the media promoting themselves as model parents and criticising other parents who hold different views to them.

Grayditch · 01-05-2014 08:23PM

The thread about Peaches Geldof when she was alive hasn't a patch on this. Probably. If there even was one. Haven't checked.

NashD · 01-05-2014 08:31PM

What is wrong with people.
This is tragic for those left behind. Literally. Full stop. No point judging what has gone before.
And why are people "it doesn't affect" wasting their time commenting.
This is very upsetting because it could affect any of us.
I'm upset because she was so public. Because of how her mum died. Because of how much she loved and fought for the way she raised her kids and fought for that. Because she rallied against letting them down.
Let her rest in peace. Let her family mourn in peace.

thimble · 01-05-2014 08:33PM

Muise... wrote: »

De mortuis nihil nisi bonum - speak no ill of the dead is still a widely-held edict and, for most, with good reason.

Tony EH wrote: »

I've never bought into that.

mrsbyrne wrote: »

Nor me. It doesn't make sense.

Surely it's just about not making what's inevitably a tough time for their family even harder. Just avoiding saying nasty things about them; not necessarily going to the other extreme and lauding them if they don't warrant it.

Jake Rugby Walrus666 · 01-05-2014 08:41PM

Fifi and Trixibelle must both be devastated.

downonthefarm · 01-05-2014 09:04PM

And what about the two lads missing in Cavan ?
Another senseless tragedy

mrsbyrne · 01-05-2014 09:07PM

thimble wrote: »

Surely it's just about not making what's inevitably a tough time for their family even harder. Just avoiding saying nasty things about them; not necessarily going to the other extreme and lauding them if they don't warrant it.

I don't think I've been nasty. I'm concerned about the current trend in absolving both the living and the dead of all personal resonsibilty. My 17 year old daughter recoiled in horror when I remarked that the latest local dead drug dealer was most likely responsible for his own demise and that the only real innocent victims were his two small boys.No, its angels and beds in heaven all the way.

Muise... · 01-05-2014 09:08PM

downonthefarm wrote: »

And what about the two lads missing in Cavan ?
Another senseless tragedy

eh, new thread?

Tasden · 01-05-2014 09:08PM

downonthefarm wrote: »

And what about the two lads missing in Cavan ?
Another senseless tragedy

It's a thread about peaches geldof, I don't understand..?

Olive8585 · 01-05-2014 09:15PM

mrsbyrne wrote: »

I don't think I've been nasty. I'm concerned about the current trend in absolving both the living and the dead of all personal resonsibilty. My 17 year old daughter recoiled in horror when I remarked that the latest local dead drug dealer was most likely responsible for his own demise and that the only real innocent victims were his two small boys.No, its angels and beds in heaven all the way.

It's not about absolving people of all personal responsibility, it's about having compassion for the person's family and for the person themselves that they found themselves in a situation where taking heroin seemed like a good idea (although dealing is a whole different kettle of fish, I do admit). I don't think people are too nice at all, in fact I notice an astounding lack of empathy all around me every single day.

One of my colleagues fell on her way home from work yesterday and badly hurt her eye, needing to go to hospital for an emergency operation. These were some of the remarks from other colleagues when I explained why she wasn't in:

"She should have looked where she was going"
"She was probably on the phone"
"She'd had a drink in the pub so she must have been drunk"

I could hardly believe what I was hearing...well actually I could, because this is the kind of crap I'm always hearing. Victim blaming, lack of sympathy, lack of compassion...of course the same people who behave in that way expect maximum sympathy and support when something happens to them.

I really do think people are getting crappier and crappier. I don't know if it's the effects of technology, or people are numbed by all the violence shown in the media or on TV, but most people I know/meet really are quite horrible people.

mikom · 01-05-2014 09:21PM

downonthefarm wrote: »

And what about the two lads missing in Cavan ?
Another senseless tragedy

Tasden wrote: »

It's a thread about peaches geldof, I don't understand..?

Fifi and Trixibelle?

WilyCoyote · 01-05-2014 09:23PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

I can understand Heroin use when you have nothing,facing into a hopeless future but she had everything on a plate

Private demons and a rock 'n roll lifestyle.

.jacksparrow. · 01-05-2014 09:26PM

So it's not actually fact she died of an overdose, it's believed heroin could have contributed.

Thread name change please.

Peaches Geldof died due to heroin overdose**MOD NOTE: NO JOKES**

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Peaches Geldof died due to heroin overdoseMOD NOTE: NO JOKES