Peaches Geldof died due to heroin overdoseMOD NOTE: NO JOKES

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller · 01-05-2014 11:08AM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

I can understand Heroin use when you have nothing,facing into a hopeless future but she had everything on a plate

We are sponges when young.

Some of us manage to squeeze out the bad of what we have absorbed once we reach adulthood, some of us don't. Not a chance I would judge her for her actions considering the life she had and the images and memories that she must surely have had playing in her head since her childhood. I'm surprised anyone would.

I remember in 2009 when pictures went viral showing her in a drug induced state and I don't think anyone could have viewed them (or the incoherent interviews she did with Fearne Cotton not long after) and think that she was long for this world. Yet, she went on to produce two beautiful children and mature into the articulate and very bright woman that we seen in interviews in 2013 and 14.

Also, to say she had 'everything on a plate', implies that money (or the lack thereof) lies at the heart of all issues that humans have to contend with in life. While I would agree lack of money is undoubtedly a factor in most problems we deal with, being rich does not make anyone immune from them all.

mrsbyrne · 01-05-2014 11:33AM

sok2005 wrote: »

I don't think i'd feel as resentful if she hadn't played the mother earth card so much.

I think this is it really. If you are a recovering but struggling heroin addict trying to turn your life around and devote yourself to your small children, I sympathise with you.
But to go out of your way to publicise yourself as a role model for all young mothers , and to criticise publicly other celebrity mothers (Lily Allen) was totally dishonest and reprehensible.
Her mother did the same thing. Created an idyllic family life for her three little girls, wrote books about how to do it gave interviews castigated others, and then hadn't a second thought about smashing the whole thing to pieces when she couldn't keep her hands out of Hutchences pants. Then she howled in outrage when the public sided with her husband.

People seem to have totally been taken in by this earth mother act to the point where they were hoping her death was from natural causes so she could be completely canonised St Peaches. Its still a terrible radgedy but I hope people searching the world of celebrity for role models soon realise that none of these people are real. Its just an illusion.

rob316 · 01-05-2014 11:37AM

Selfish and heartless she is, left behind two young children and her partner all cause she couldn't keep away from the needle.

'Live by the gun, die by the gun"

Amazingfun · 01-05-2014 11:42AM

--LOS-- wrote: »

I really hope you never have anyone close to you suffer with addiction.

Well that's a pretty funny statement since I am sober over 12 years, lol.

My comment still stands. People do not have to view addicts in a sympathetic light and it doesn't make them monsters if they don't. Selfishness and self-centeredness are the hallmarks of both alkies and addicts.

Jesus Wept · 01-05-2014 11:43AM

crockholm wrote: »

What d fukc were her "demons"? I can assure you right here and now that,whatever she felt growing up was a fukking pittance to what I and my siblings faced.

I say this also as a father who watched over my son,when things looked dark.Believe me,whatever opinions you have pale in comparison when,as an agnostic ,you beg from some higher Power to intervene to help your boy to pull through.

The disdain I have for her is as someone who pretended to love her kids yet does something so incredibly stupid and harmful,if true about the heroin allegations,she does not deserve sympathy,rather scorn.

oh right. No one else has problems, you win.

TireeTerror · 01-05-2014 11:49AM

Peaches Mother Earth act is so ratchet!

RDM_83 again · 01-05-2014 11:54AM

I don't think people are gleeful because its a heroin overdose, I would read a lot of the "glee" as the fact that people were getting hammered on the other thread for suggesting it was an OD, when it was the most likely cause of death for an otherwise healthy young person with her personal history.

In relation to the parenting thing, isn't it possible to be a very loving parent while at the same time not being a very good parent. I don't have children myself but its my understanding that young children require constant attention and commitment, I can not equate a death by OD in this manner to being a good parent.
To clarify this she had resources available to herself that would not be available to those of a lower-socio economic background in terms of managing her addiction and its impact on her children, AFAIK (I haven't been following this story so correct me if I am wrong) she died on her own with the children upstairs in bed, I would hazard that she could have quite easily had available a live in nanny or even just having some one around to stay sober while she used, doing this while not making her a good parent at least would have at least mitigated some of the risks.

Her death is clearly tragic in itself but its also a sad illustration of how like child abuse children are often doomed to repeat the 'sins' of the parent.

jos28 · 01-05-2014 11:57AM

It's obvious that Peaches had problems dealing with the death of her Mother at such a young age. Whatever her reasons for taking heroin, she has left her own children with the same legacy as Paula left her - Growing up without your Mother !
Time will tell how those little boys deal with it.

crockholm · 01-05-2014 12:49PM

Our Year wrote: »

oh right. No one else has problems, you win.

What a foolish post.Really clutching at straws there.Slavishly thanked too.

Tasden · 01-05-2014 12:59PM

crockholm wrote: »

What a foolish post.Really clutching at straws there.Slavishly thanked too.

Well in fairness what kind of response did you want to your post?

Flippyfloppy · 01-05-2014 01:01PM

RIP Peaches, much needed mother gone too soon xxx

crockholm · 01-05-2014 01:11PM

Tasden wrote: »

Well in fairness what kind of response did you want to your post?

A response that shows what I have written to be wrong/incorrect/fallacy.Responding with "O,Woe is me" and "you win" offer nothing-if you are convinced That I'm wrong or being unfair then do so rather than just thank posts which just dribble foolishness.

Linka · 01-05-2014 01:11PM

It is so sad. Her poor children. RIP Peaches

mikom · 01-05-2014 01:22PM

Flippyfloppy wrote: »

RIP Peaches, much needed mother gone too soon xxx

In fairness the children should have been taken off her before this incident.

01-05-2014 01:31PM

mikom wrote: »

In fairness the children should have been taken off her before this incident.

Nah social services should've done what the media did, have a word with Sir Bob.

Suryavarman · 01-05-2014 01:32PM

There's a lot of ignorance with regards mental health, drug use and addiction in this thread.

Those painting Peaches Geldof as some kind of monstrous, incompetent mother just because she died from an overdose are ridiculous. Just because she died from an overdose does not mean she put drugs before her kids. Would these people go down to the local pub and tell parents there to stop putting drugs before their kids? At the least I'd expect the parents among you stay teetotal, one would have to be a pretty bad parent to choose the high stool over their kids.

As for people saying that she had the money to get help and she chose not to so therefore she deserves no sympathy are just as off the mark. Just because she had the money to get help doesn't mean she had the strength to do so. It can be a hell of a lot easier to ring a dealer for some heroin than to ring a family member or a friend or a mental health professional for some help. Drugs won't judge you, drugs won't tell you of their own problems in an effort to make yours seem insignificant and drugs won't turn the other way and ignore you. But drugs most definitely do offer respite (however temporary) from whatever problems you are dealing with.

So to all the people saying there's always a choice. Yes there is always a choice, and sadly for many people they see the incorrect choice as the best choice or the only choice. So maybe the people trying to assert their moral superiority should recognise those facts and hope that somebody close to them never experiences those problems or is struggling with those problems silently at the moment.

Olive8585 · 01-05-2014 01:36PM

crockholm wrote: »

A response that shows what I have written to be wrong/incorrect/fallacy.Responding with "O,Woe is me" and "you win" offer nothing-if you are convinced That I'm wrong or being unfair then do so rather than just thank posts which just dribble foolishness.

You need people to explain to you why it's wrong to think your problems are bigger and more important than those of someone you don't even know? And that because you were able to move on successfully from your problems, that means that everyone else should, regardless of any mental health problems they might have or the fact that they have a completely different personality to you? Really?

iguana · 01-05-2014 01:36PM

mikom wrote: »

In fairness the children should have been taken off her before this incident.

Should they have? Presuming her husband is not an addict, would social services have had cause to step in and remove the children from their custody? I can't imagine just how many families there are in the world where one parent is an addict and the other is a capable parent. I wouldn't be surprised if up to 5% of families have such issues. If she had been clean for some time, maybe during her pregnancies, as heroin use would be hard to hide in pregnancy and after the child's birth as it would usually have a clear impact on the baby, her husband may not have even been fully aware of her renewed heroin use. He could have suspected but been in desperate denial, explaining why he left the younger child in her sole care overnight.

I could imagine if she hadn't died from this overdose, social services may have started visiting the family regularly and advising her husband about the additional responsibilities he would have to take on, in order to protect the children from her addiction. But I doubt they would automatically have been removed from their care.

RDM_83 again · 01-05-2014 01:43PM

Suryavarman wrote: »

Those painting Peaches Geldof as some kind of monstrous, incompetent mother just because she died from an overdose are ridiculous. Just because she died from an overdose does not mean she put drugs before her kids. Would these people go down to the local pub and tell parents there to stop putting drugs before their kids? At the least I'd expect the parents among you stay teetotal, one would have to be a pretty bad parent to choose the high stool over their kids.

As for people saying that she had the money to get help and she chose not to so therefore she deserves no sympathy are just as off the mark. Just because she had the money to get help doesn't mean she had the strength to do so. It can be a hell of a lot easier to ring a dealer for some heroin than to ring a family member or a friend or a mental health professional for some help.

While agree with this sentiment completely this doesn't absolve her of the fact that even as a drugs user she had the resources to manage her addiction so that she was not putting her children at risk. If somebody is suffering from addiction I understand that they may slip, what I don't get is that if she was a responsible(not loving) mother and she was going to use that she couldn't have arranged for a child minder or responsible adult to be around.

Hitchens · 01-05-2014 01:44PM

Accidental overdose - 'celebrity'

Deliberate overdose - ordinary junkie

Muise... · 01-05-2014 01:49PM

Hitchens wrote: »

Accidental overdose - 'celebrity'

Deliberate overdose - ordinary junkie

I was going to ask you to back this up, but then realised that would be completely impossible. It's not even an aborted syllogism - it's just two retarded premises in search of approval.

mikom · 01-05-2014 01:50PM

iguana wrote: »

Should they have? Presuming her husband is not an addict, would social services have had cause to step in and remove the children from their custody? I can't imagine just how many families there are in the world where one parent is an addict and the other is a capable parent.

Can you imagine just how many families there are in the world where one parent is an addict and the other is a touring band member............
Her husband could have been Doctor Phil, but he still was not there as a child ambled around a house containing its od'ed mother.

iguana · 01-05-2014 01:56PM

mikom wrote: »

Can you imagine just how many families there are in the world where one parent is an addict and the other is a touring band member............
Her husband could have been Doctor Phil, but he still was not there as a child ambled around a house containing it's od'ed mother.

Her husband isn't a touring band member. His band is defunct and he was away overnight with the older child. It's not that much different to any family with an addicted parent where the non-addict parent has to work and occasionally the children are left in the care of the addict. It shouldn't happen at all but the social services do not have the resources to intervene and remove custody in every such case, it's just too common.

And her husband may not have been aware of how bad she was.

mikom · 01-05-2014 02:04PM

iguana wrote: »

It's not that much different to any family with an addicted parent where the non-addict parent has to work and occasionally the children are left in the care of the addict. It shouldn't happen at all but the social services do not have the resources to intervene and remove custody in every such case, it's just too common.

And her husband may not have been aware of how bad she was.

As I said........

mikom wrote: »

In fairness the children should have been taken off her before this incident.

It could have been more than peaches they'd be burying..........

Baby boy (1) drowns after drunken father passes out on bathroom floor while bathing him.

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/americas/baby-boy-1-drowns-after-drunken-father-passes-out-on-bathroom-floor-while-bathing-him-30232826.html

dark crystal · 01-05-2014 02:17PM

Suryavarman wrote: »

There's a lot of ignorance with regards mental health, drug use and addiction in this thread.

Those painting Peaches Geldof as some kind of monstrous, incompetent mother just because she died from an overdose are ridiculous. Just because she died from an overdose does not mean she put drugs before her kids. Would these people go down to the local pub and tell parents there to stop putting drugs before their kids? At the least I'd expect the parents among you stay teetotal, one would have to be a pretty bad parent to choose the high stool over their kids.

She did put drugs over the welfare of her children, though. Pretending she didn't is a fallacy. Whatever her reasons, the fact she put drugs before her kids is an inescapable fact. She made that choice, whatever the reasons behind it.

I don't think she was a monster, or a bad mother per se, but what she did was selfish in the extreme. She knew (from bitter experience) such actions could have extremely dire consequences both for herself and for the people she loved the most and she chose to do it anyway, whilst being the sole carer of her infant son. She didn't think to give him to friends or family to care for whilst she used; this wasn't a night out having a few jars in the local whilst the babysitter watched the kids. This was shooting up in front of her baby.

I actually defended her in the other thread, because like so many others, I genuinely believed, given her deeply felt and outspoken views on motherhood, there was no way she could have been using hard drugs whilst caring for these boys she clearly loved very deeply. I watched as she argued passionately about attachment parenting and the benefits she felt it brought to raising happy, confident children. These poor children will likely feel little happiness or confidence when remembering their mother now.

I'm sorry she died. I don't think she was a monster. I think she made bad choices; choices these children will pay for for the rest of their lives, just as she paid for the choices her own mother made. It's just one big cycle of tragedy for everyone involved.

nervous_twitch · 01-05-2014 02:37PM

dark crystal wrote: »

I'm sorry she died. I don't think she was a monster. I think she made bad choices; choices these children will pay for for the rest of their lives, just as she paid for the choices her own mother made. It's just one big cycle of tragedy for everyone involved.

Choices aren't as simple as you make them out to be, when your will is controlled by the substance you're addicted to.

Amazingfun · 01-05-2014 02:44PM

I wonder how many of you saying things like the above are actually former, now recovered, addicts.

Not many I'd wager.

nervous_twitch · 01-05-2014 02:49PM

Amazingfun wrote: »

I wonder how many of you saying things like the above are actually former, now recovered, addicts.

Not many I'd wager.

Maybe you'd be surprised :rolleyes:

Suryavarman · 01-05-2014 02:53PM

RDM_83 again wrote: »

While agree with this sentiment completely this doesn't absolve her of the fact that even as a drugs user she had the resources to manage her addiction so that she was not putting her children at risk. If somebody is suffering from addiction I understand that they may slip, what I don't get is that if she was a responsible(not loving) mother and she was going to use that she couldn't have arranged for a child minder or responsible adult to be around.

dark crystal wrote: »

She did put drugs over the welfare of her children, though. Pretending she didn't is a fallacy. Whatever her reasons, the fact she put drugs before her kids is an inescapable fact. She made that choice, whatever the reasons behind it.

I don't think she was a monster, or a bad mother per se, but what she did was selfish in the extreme. She knew (from bitter experience) such actions could have extremely dire consequences both for herself and for the people she loved the most and she chose to do it anyway, whilst being the sole carer of her infant son. She didn't think to give him to friends or family to care for whilst she used; this wasn't a night out having a few jars in the local whilst the babysitter watched the kids. This was shooting up in front of her baby.

I actually defended her in the other thread, because like so many others, I genuinely believed, given her deeply felt and outspoken views on motherhood, there was no way she could have been using hard drugs whilst caring for these boys she clearly loved very deeply. I watched as she argued passionately about attachment parenting and the benefits she felt it brought to raising happy, confident children. These poor children will likely feel little happiness or confidence when remembering their mother now.

I'm sorry she died. I don't think she was a monster. I think she made bad choices; choices these children will pay for for the rest of their lives, just as she paid for the choices her own mother made. It's just one big cycle of tragedy for everyone involved.

Maybe she was a functioning addict or perhaps she was capable of going about her daily routine in the past when taking heroin. Only this time she unwittingly took more potent heroin than normal or overestimated her tolerance towards it. This could have resulted in her overdosing.

If I was in her shoes I probably would have got somebody else to mind the child (assuming I could find somebody) but then again I don't know how I would handle myself when taking heroin. If in past experiences it didn't overly inhibit my ability care for a child then maybe I would have tried to care him myself.

01-05-2014 03:01PM

nervous_twitch wrote: »

Choices aren't as simple as you make them out to be, when your will is controlled by the substance you're addicted to.

True. But what about the first time taking it? That's a free choice is it not? It's tough to have sympathy for any heroin addicts in the western world, especially anyone in their 20's. Information is freer and more available than ever.

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