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Could there have been intelligent life on earth?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,029 ✭✭✭Rhys Essien


    jobeenfitz wrote: »
    Maybe there were "Smart Bastards" here before us but we have not got the ability to observe their traces? Maybe some of them are still here or they slip in and out unnoticed?

    Well the Greeks were fairly smart ba$tards when they were able to make a computer over 2000 years ago.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antikythera_mechanism


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 99,580 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Yes but we had been doing that for nearly a million years give or take. Barely made an impact either
    Just pointing out that it isn't just intelligence that makes us special.

    Genetics show our population has bottlenecked at times, so it was precarious for a while.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toba_catastrophe_theory#Genetic_bottlenecks_in_humans


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,234 ✭✭✭✭Cee-Jay-Cee


    There was and they must have been pretty intelligent to actually construct the world and build all the continents, lay the oceans and rivers and then to top it all off they froze both poles for effect....all the current so-called intelligent beings have succeeded in doing is destroying it, bit by bit.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,386 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    jobeenfitz wrote: »
    Maybe there were "Smart Bastards" here before us but we have not got the ability to observe their traces? Maybe some of them are still here or they slip in and out unnoticed?
    Yes but to get to the point of being clever in the way we're clever requires you to go through stages of cleverness and building "stuff", that would remain.
    Just pointing out that it isn't just intelligence that makes us special.

    Genetics show our population has bottlenecked at times, so it was precarious for a while.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toba_catastrophe_theory#Genetic_bottlenecks_in_humans
    Oh very much so Cap't. I think I mentioned that in passing a bit back. We are very very lucky to be here. If snowball earth hadn't happened which looks like giving rise to the Cambrian explosion, if the Permian extinction hadn't happened, the KT extinction or indeed the Toba event you reference. Any number of things, even small events could have derailed the chances of intelligent life, especially our particular kind of intelligent life ever happening. There was nothing like Erectus in the 500 million years of complex life. The earth has maybe another 300 million years before conditions go south for such life, so it's possible, with very few changes for our earth to never have observers that named it. It's why IMHO the chances of intelligent life like ours out there in the universe may be vanishingly small. Life yes, bacteria, even larger animals, but "aliens" maybe not.

    If Toba had succeeded in wiping out us modern humans, the weirdos, the outliers, chances are other humans might have remained. Neandertals and the like may never have gone extinct, but equally they may have stayed the same way they had for the previous 300,000 years and may never have made the weird leap we did. Given how rare they seemed to be in the landscape even at their peak, chances are the hominid experiment would have fizzled out after a while, another evolutionary dead end.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 343 ✭✭Dionysius2


    Dionysius2 wrote: »
    The earth has existed for billions of years before the arrival of man. Nobody has ever tried to explain to us what was going on during that time.
    If there was anything that involved intelligence going on then there must be traces somewhere......true/false ?
    Given that man's time on earth would apparently be less than 5% of the time earth has existed then that leaves an awful lot of time for the dinosaurs....eh ?
    Any enlightenment....anyone ?


    Thought not.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 620 ✭✭✭aidoh


    Although this thread has turned into a debate about whether there could've existed an animal more intelligent than humans, it's worth pointing out that there are some astonishingly intelligent non-human animals still alive today.
    The only key behavioural traits that set humans apart from other animals are religion and representative art (though neanderthals and even earlier human species (might have had these traits too, which could explain where they evolved - e.g. Homo habilis).

    Lots of other animals have complex tool-use and problem-solving abilities (all primates, cetaceans, cephalopods and most birds), semantic language (look up vervet monkey alarm calls) other forms of art (look up bower-birds) and even levels of self wareness and awareness of other individuals (macaques 'gossip' about other troop members; magpies, dolphins, whales and great apes recognise themselves in reflections).

    Even looking up how insects make decisions, the 'waggle dance' of bees or how leaf-cutter ants build fungus farms is sure to convince you that intelligence isn't restricted to ourselves. Some insects have ridiculously complex communication and, even if 'understanding' these displays is purely a reflexive response that took millions of years to evolve, it still requires a basic capability to be able to receive the information, process it and use it based on something the animal has previously learned to make a decision on how to behave in response. That's common to all animals with any kind of nervous system (likely millions and millions of species) so there does exist at least a basic level of intelligence throughout most of the animal kingdom.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,276 ✭✭✭readyletsgo


    Very interesting topic, its fascinating really, but also all very much theory, but isnt everything until proven?

    I did see that show a few people have mentioned, After Humans, it was interesting, Cities and towns etc pretty much disappear very fast, even after 200 years of no humans, cities are unrecognizable, then after (I think it was) 10,000 years, all traces are gone of our existent, except for some material that will never disintegrate or as anoter poster said, marble flooring will still be there etc, but thats a very short time in the grand scheme of things.

    As for other intelligent life being here before ourselves or the dinosaurs or whatever was before them, yes I do think there was, but, what makes us human is our imagination so, maybe if there was intelligent life before us, they could have made it to, say, where we were in Roman times and been wiped out by something (no idea) a billion years ago. No plastic or anything hardy like that to be left behind.

    Very interesting.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 99,580 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Very interesting topic, its fascinating really, but also all very much theory, but isnt everything until proven?

    I did see that show a few people have mentioned, After Humans, it was interesting, Cities and towns etc pretty much disappear very fast, even after 200 years of no humans, cities are unrecognizable, then after (I think it was) 10,000 years, all traces are gone of our existent, except for some material that will never disintegrate or as anoter poster said, marble flooring will still be there etc, but thats a very short time in the grand scheme of things.

    As for other intelligent life being here before ourselves or the dinosaurs or whatever was before them, yes I do think there was, but, what makes us human is our imagination so, maybe if there was intelligent life before us, they could have made it to, say, where we were in Roman times and been wiped out by something (no idea) a billion years ago. No plastic or anything hardy like that to be left behind.

    Very interesting.
    In the kingdom of the blind the one eyed man is king.

    Brains are expensive things, both in terms of energy and certain fats we need to intake. If you can survive by being the brightest creature in stupidworld then you'd may even out compete brighter creatures because you needed less resources. And we have fossil brain casts so we have an idea how stupid dino's and stuff were.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,758 ✭✭✭✭TeddyTedson


    Very interesting topic, its fascinating really, but also all very much theory, but isnt everything until proven?

    I did see that show a few people have mentioned, After Humans, it was interesting, Cities and towns etc pretty much disappear very fast, even after 200 years of no humans, cities are unrecognizable, then after (I think it was) 10,000 years, all traces are gone of our existent, except for some material that will never disintegrate or as anoter poster said, marble flooring will still be there etc, but thats a very short time in the grand scheme of things.

    As for other intelligent life being here before ourselves or the dinosaurs or whatever was before them, yes I do think there was, but, what makes us human is our imagination so, maybe if there was intelligent life before us, they could have made it to, say, where we were in Roman times and been wiped out by something (no idea) a billion years ago. No plastic or anything hardy like that to be left behind.

    Very interesting.

    That sounds brilliant I'd love to see that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 611 ✭✭✭Y2KBOS86


    That sounds brilliant I'd love to see that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,028 ✭✭✭✭--LOS--


    yes the theory of evolution OP!! There could have been/could be life more intelligent than us elsewhere though, when you understand the infinite scale of the universe, that is a possibility.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,615 ✭✭✭Fox_In_Socks


    In the kingdom of the blind the one eyed man is king.

    Brains are expensive things, both in terms of energy and certain fats we need to intake. If you can survive by being the brightest creature in stupidworld then you'd may even out compete brighter creatures because you needed less resources. And we have fossil brain casts so we have an idea how stupid dino's and stuff were.

    Perhaps there is no trace of intelligent past species because their skulls and skeletons were light and fragile. Plus, they may have had an inclination to cremate their dead, leaving no fossils.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,186 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    conorhal wrote: »
    One answered by the homind fossel with an iPhone grafted to it's hand. Since we haven't seen any Dinosaur remains trapped in their fossilized cars after a volcanic explosion, I think it's safe to assume that we're the first intelligent life to evolve on this planet.

    Smartphones will be the very thing that destroy us. You're walking along minding your own business and you get distracted by a facebook update and before you know it you've fallen into a tar pit.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 99,580 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    kowloon wrote: »
    Smartphones will be the very thing that destroy us. You're walking along minding your own business and you get distracted by a facebook update and before you know it you've fallen into a tar pit.
    I'm sure someone has an app for that


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