Don't vote for nepotism!

Kermit.de.frog · 30-04-2014 05:02AM #1

FFS

Mary O'Rourke's son to contest by-election

This follows hot on the heels of the sister of the TD that died in Athlone

Gabrielle McFadden confirms by-election run

And the by election following the tragic suicide in Co Meath of a TD which featured his daughter - who was elected.

Helen McEntee wins Meath East by-election

Oh the last one has never had a real job in her life other than working for her dad which of course makes her fully qualified to sit on an important parliamentary committee.

I'd urge people to reject this culture of entitlement and gombeen politics. Cynical party choice of candidates. Nothing has changed.

PLEASE do not support nepotism. There is a reason we are where we are:(

podgemonster · 30-04-2014 05:13AM

Dey fixed de road!!!

mikemac1 · 30-04-2014 06:17AM

Young Adam Wyse in Waterford seems an ambitious young lad and is running for election.

The good people of Irelands oldest city need reminding it is not their seat, no it belongs to the Wyse family

Wyse took his place on the council representing Waterford City East following the sudden death of his father, Councillor Gary Wyse last year. For him, this election is not just about representing his community, it’s about continuing the work his father did in the area for many years.

The 19-year-old is the youngest Fianna Fáil candidate and one of the youngest candidates running in the election but he said there was always a plan for him to take his father’s seat – he just hadn’t expected it to happen so soon.

I remember when I was in sixth year and dad would be driving me to school and we’d listen to what was being said on the radio and talk about it afterwards so I always had an interest in it and what he was doing. There are two other boys in my family but my dad always said that if someone was going to take his place it would be me.

Guy:Incognito · 30-04-2014 07:53AM

So if the best candidate happens to be related to a former politician that had the seat, deliberately don't vote for them anyway ? Seems stupid.

suicide_circus · 30-04-2014 07:56AM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

So if the best candidate happens to be related to a former politician that had the seat, deliberately don't vote for them anyway ? Seems stupid.

Agree in theory but in practice these people will be voted for on genetics not on merit.

bumper234 · 30-04-2014 07:57AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

FFS

Mary O'Rourke's son to contest by-election

This follows hot on the heels of the sister of the TD that died in Athlone

Gabrielle McFadden confirms by-election run

And the by election following the tragic suicide in Co Meath of a TD which featured his daughter - who was elected.

Helen McEntee wins Meath East by-election

Oh the last one has never had a real job in her life other than working for her dad which of course makes her fully qualified to sit on an important parliamentary committee.

I'd urge people to reject this culture of entitlement and gombeen politics. Cynical party choice of candidates. Nothing has changed.

PLEASE do not support nepotism. There is a reason we are where we are:(

So who should we vote for oh great and powerful Oz?

alchemist33 · 30-04-2014 08:02AM

In our local elections, there are at least two children of old stagers running. In the case of one, his dad made a huge song and dance about being refused the nomination by FF, and now he's in election posters with his son with the heading "change we can trust." Dad wasn't bleating about change in the previous five elections.

Maphisto · 30-04-2014 08:11AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

FFS

Mary O'Rourke's son to contest by-election

This follows hot on the heels of the sister of the TD that died in Athlone

Gabrielle McFadden confirms by-election run

And the by election following the tragic suicide in Co Meath of a TD which featured his daughter - who was elected.

Helen McEntee wins Meath East by-election

Oh the last one has never had a real job in her life other than working for her dad which of course makes her fully qualified to sit on an important parliamentary committee.

I'd urge people to reject this culture of entitlement and gombeen politics. Cynical party choice of candidates. Nothing has changed.

PLEASE do not support nepotism. There is a reason we are where we are:(

I thought nepotism, croniism, quangoism were what we always did best. FFS is nothing sacred.

Aren't they all political dynasties from Enda down -bit of teaching then take Dad's sit - sorry I meant of course "called to serve the people"

Bubbaclaus · 30-04-2014 08:18AM

A lot of people enter the same profession as their parents/elder family members.

Shock. Horror.

Phoebas · 30-04-2014 08:25AM

How is it nepotism to run in a free and open election?
If they were getting a seat on a committee or a ministry because of family ties, that would be nepotism, but simply running for election isn't.

hoodwinked · 30-04-2014 08:25AM

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

A lot of people enter the same profession as their parents/elder family members.

Shock. Horror.

+1 can you imagine...

Don't go to that Doctor!
but why he's supposed to be the best in this area?
Yeah he is, but his Dad was a doctor, as was his grandfather!

imo as long as they do a great job, are actually hard working and aren't knocking another good candidate out of the way to bring in said family member, or secretary as is the case here in lovely Cork, then i will consider them for a vote even if they are related to someone else in politics.

Phoebas · 30-04-2014 08:27AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

PLEASE do not support nepotism. There is a reason we are where we are:(

Nepotism is what got us into our current state? Really?

sydthebeat · 30-04-2014 08:31AM

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

A lot of people enter the same profession as their parents/elder family members.

Shock. Horror.

Politics should not be a profession and we shouldn't accept it as such. .

robbiezero · 30-04-2014 08:33AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

FFS

Mary O'Rourke's son to contest by-election

This follows hot on the heels of the sister of the TD that died in Athlone

Gabrielle McFadden confirms by-election run

And the by election following the tragic suicide in Co Meath of a TD which featured his daughter - who was elected.

Helen McEntee wins Meath East by-election

Oh the last one has never had a real job in her life other than working for her dad which of course makes her fully qualified to sit on an important parliamentary committee.

I'd urge people to reject this culture of entitlement and gombeen politics. Cynical party choice of candidates. Nothing has changed.

PLEASE do not support nepotism. There is a reason we are where we are:(

Incorrect use of the word nepotism invalidates your entire post.

bumper234 · 30-04-2014 08:33AM

sydthebeat wrote: »

Politics should not be a profession and we shouldn't accept it as such. .

It should be a hobby?

Triangla · 30-04-2014 08:38AM

hoodwinked wrote: »

+1 can you imagine...

Don't go to that Doctor!
but why he's supposed to be the best in this area?
Yeah he is, but his Dad was a doctor, as was his grandfather!

What if the Doctor died and the son, who was not a Doctor was 'co-opted' in to do his job.

Would you go to that Doctor for open heart surgery?

I want a person who I voted for to be on the local council or in the Dail.

Not someone I know nothing about who wasn't even on the original ballot.

Nothing wrong with a person running being related to another politician. I do not regard having a politician as sibling/parent as being an election qualification though.

robbiezero · 30-04-2014 08:41AM

Triangla wrote: »

What if the Doctor died and the son, who was not a Doctor was 'co-opted' in to do his job.

Would you go to that Doctor for open heart surgery?

I want a person who I voted for to be on the local council or in the Dail.

Not someone I know nothing about who wasn't even on the original ballot.

Nothing wrong with a person running being related to another politician. I do not regard having a politician as sibling/parent as being an election qualification though.

Then don't vote for him/her.

Bubbaclaus · 30-04-2014 08:41AM

sydthebeat wrote: »

Politics should not be a profession and we shouldn't accept it as such. .

Is it a hobby then?

Or a sport?

Fred Swanson · 30-04-2014 08:42AM

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hoodwinked · 30-04-2014 08:42AM

Triangla wrote: »

What if the Doctor died and the son, who was not a Doctor was 'co-opted' in to do his job.

Would you go to that Doctor for open heart surgery?

I want a person who I voted for to be on the local council or in the Dail.

Not someone I know nothing about who wasn't even on the original ballot.

Nothing wrong with a person running being related to another politician. I do not regard having a politician as sibling/parent being as a being an election qualification though.

i think you missed the rest of my post

imo as long as they do a great job, are actually hard working and aren't knocking another good candidate out of the way to bring in said family member, or secretary as is the case here in lovely Cork, then i will consider them for a vote even if they are related to someone else in politics.

my point is, im am not going to skip the best doctor, just because his dad was one, and the same applies to politician, i'll vote for the one i think is doing the best at his job, regardless of what his relatives have done.

Bubbaclaus · 30-04-2014 08:42AM

Triangla wrote: »

I want a person who I voted for to be on the local council or in the Dail.

Which is what will happen in these cases?

Phoebas · 30-04-2014 08:42AM

Triangla wrote: »

What if the Doctor died and the son, who was not a Doctor was 'co-opted' in to do his job.

Nobody is being 'co-opted' in the local elections. Every candidate running for election is playing under the same rules.

sydthebeat · 30-04-2014 08:59AM

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Is it a hobby then?

Or a sport?

It should be a short term vocation.

One of our biggest problems in this country is that we have career politicians and if you cannot see the problem with that then you need to do some education.

We should never accept career politicians as it leads then to be much more corruptable... which has been borne out in too many tribunals already.

bumper234 · 30-04-2014 09:00AM

sydthebeat wrote: »

It should be a short term vocation.

One of our biggest problems in this country is that we have career politicians and if you cannot see the problem with that then you need to do some education.

We should never accept career politicians as it leads then to be much more corruptable... which has been borne out in too many tribunals already.

Would you rather a politician with 25 years experience or a politician with 2 years experience?

Phoebas · 30-04-2014 09:03AM

sydthebeat wrote: »

We should never accept career politicians as it leads then to be much more corruptable... which has been borne out in too many tribunals already.

No tribunal ever found that career politicians are more corruptible than amateurs

Pherekydes · 30-04-2014 09:10AM

Wait, if you have a close relative in politics (even if they've died) you can't run?

A trip to the dictionary is suggested, OP.

Celly Smunt · 30-04-2014 09:10AM

We should just ban elections

bumper234 · 30-04-2014 09:13AM

Maybe we should just put everyones name in a hat and whoever gets pulled out is the new TD, Would that work for you op?

anncoates · 30-04-2014 09:21AM

While I hate the fact that people vote on the basis of family and especially that politicians view a seat as belonging to their family, it's not nepotism.

Davarus Walrus · 30-04-2014 09:25AM

Does such contempt extend to examples like Toiréasa Ferris and her auld lad Martin 'Valhalla' Ferris, or are we to keep our ire focused on the three main political parties?

Uriel. · 30-04-2014 09:31AM

Phoebas wrote: »

How is it nepotism to run in a free Gmail and open election?
If they were getting a seat on a committee or a ministry because of family ties, that would be nepotism, but simply running for election isn't.

Oh no Phoebas, not again in another thread.

You had to do it didn't you, that shiny big common sense button, you couldn't resist pushing it could?

Don't vote for nepotism!

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