Today I saw a classic and took a pic thread!

This is sort of cheating seeing as one of the cars is my own but I bumped into the wee black number down the Marina yesterday

Classic misuse of the word 'restoration'. At best the word 'modified' should be used and at worst the words 'tarted up' should be used.

A restoration it is not otherwise it would be a red 1100 !!

kev1.3s wrote: »

Can't say I'd agree with you there! I suppose in the dictionary definition you are right but in my opinion amongst this community I suspect a looser interpretation is more suitable. I reckon if you take a rusting heap and return it to good usable condition regardless of colour and styling that's restoration.

I detest the loosest interpretation of 'restoration' as it becomes 'a tarted up' wreck. We've all seen them!

w124man wrote: »

I detest the loosest interpretation of 'restoration' as it becomes 'a tarted up' wreck. We've all seen them!

I completely disagree! there is no comparison with some of the retro cars I've seen in recent years and some " tarted up wrecks" that are the norm on done deal. In fact I'd wager that the so called modified classics have more money spent on them and more attention to detail than some of the done dealers that are more... Shall we say original.

ba_barabus wrote: »

Thing is with cars and especially as they age it's all a matter of personal taste.

People laugh at skangermobiles but I guarantee they'll make mad money in years. I still hate the things.

I just love factory fresh cars. Modded isn't my thing but it is for other people.

That's ok but just because it ant you're thing doesn't make them any less of a restoration!

kev1.3s wrote: »

That's ok but just because it ant you're thing doesn't make them any less of a restoration!

The base is restored the car is modded.

As for skangermobiles, that reference is more about modern modded Civics etc . I thought that was clear but maybe not. That escrot isn't a skangermobile. And if I didn't know any better I'd think it was the genuine article.

kev1.3s wrote: »

So you agree that the car is restored and modded? I have absolutely no time for a skangermobile either but I do like a nicely turned out recreation.

Well it has been restored and modded unless I'm missing something? Someone said earlier it was falling apart not so long ago. Or else I've confused myself.

mb1725 wrote: »

Replica would be a better word, a lot of 70s Fords on the show circuit appear to be replicas. Has anyone restored a plain bog standard 1100 Escort with 12" steel wheels and plastic seats?

Replicas are usually something different.

A replica is something like a Porsche 356 look-alike on a Beetle chassis, that have nothing in common with the Porsche bar maybe the engine and most of the time not even that. Or a Cobra, that isn't an original AC for example.

The majority of replicas are also categorized kit cars.

The above is a genuine Escort though.

/M

We are getting off the point here, the original argument was about someone claiming that said escort wasn't restored because it isn't stock, call it a recreation tribute replica or continuation if you want but as far as I'm concerned if you take a ball of scrap spend you're own time and/or money to return it to roadworthy condition then it has been restored!

ba_barabus wrote: »

While I don't think it's a wreck I certainly wouldn't call it a resto.

I'm a huge fab of keeping cars completely stock.

I agree. That Escort looks great but it isnt a resto. Its a modified resto and I agree that in most cases modified restos get a lot more money spend on them, most likely because the end result is someone's dream. What Im trying to point out is that a restoration is to bring something back to its original condition. That is the definition - technical and legal. I dont make up the definitions but I did take the time to check them out. That Escort, is not in its original condition, ie, as it left the factory - its a lovely recreation of a different model of Mk1 Escort.

The other point that Im trying to make is that the word 'restoration' is prostituted about on the DoneDeals of this world on cars that are no more restored than the man on the moon. You know the ones Im talking about. Gobs of filler and a paint job is not a restoration!

Are we a bit clearer now?

Tigger wrote: »

Subtle performance mods and cosmetic improvement are not scangermobile

Correct but they aren't restorations either

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this, I remember reading an article on the Ferrari Daytona in classic and supercars one time where a specialist said that most cars were on there second or third restorations now and were far superior to how they came from the factory. I now it's a pernickety point but they seem to be restored to a level that they didn't come fresh from the factory. Likewise Aston works service restore cars whilst upgrading many of the cars original features.
I think it depends on you're point of view but I'll always say that I restored my fulvia whilst also fitting hf body styling.

mb1725 wrote: »

Has anyone restored a plain bog standard 1100 Escort with 12" steel wheels and plastic seats?