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Should irish be an optional subject to everyone ?

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  • #62
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    gaeilgeor wrote: »
    Irish being a useless subject ?????? Well then you can call them all useless !
    Maths : unless one wants to have a profession in maths , basic primary school maths is really needed.
    Learning things in life is not all about the usefulness. Learning is just gaining new information and sometimes it is useful in later life and sometimes it's not .
    I was born in Dublin, my family from Nigeria so I have no aid in learning Irish at home yet I have a good attitude towards the subject. Keeping a high head is the way to start liking a subject.

    Liking being the key word here. If it is of no use to the individual and no interest to the individual, it makes no sense to waste time learning it.

    And yes - your summation of maths is correct.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #63
    Eims14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 253 ✭✭Eims14


    Nimrod 7 wrote: »
    As much as I want the language to prosper, it would sadden me if a child chose aimsir caite over algebra.

    Algebra, along with the rest of mathematics is knowledge acquired by humans over thousands of years, without which our daily lives today would be drastically different. Why does sadden you to see a student more passionate about maths than Irish?

    Let's not compare science with culture.

    In fairness i just picked algebra off the top of my head.If someones good at maths then they can do algebra till the cows come home.


  • #64
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Nimrod 7 wrote: »
    As much as I want the language to prosper, it would sadden me if a child chose aimsir caite over algebra.

    Algebra, along with the rest of mathematics is knowledge acquired by humans over thousands of years, without which our daily lives today would be drastically different. Why does sadden you to see a student more passionate about maths than Irish?

    Let's not compare science with culture.

    Ah now come on! You want alive without culture? Sounds boring. What ypu going to use science for without culture? Again, though, its up to the individual yo choose.

    And if its science - so be it. If its cultural - do be it. If it's personal - so be it.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #65
    carlowmurphy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28 ✭carlowmurphy


    Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »
    Again - why can people not differentiate between Irish being "optional" and "abolished"...? Seriously trying to get my head around this one.

    Compulsory Irish will not - and has not at any time in resent history - be the life or death of the lanaguge.

    I get you but if you think about it an awful lot would not choose irish as a subject and therefore we would lose it eventually.


  • #66
    carlowmurphy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28 ✭carlowmurphy


    Mr Pseudonym wrote: »
    May be the case. But it's not currently achieved.

    The course at second level is unattractive and severely boring. Major overhaul must happen in my opinion to get the interest back in the language. Same problem 100 years ago. Think of Padraig Pearce etc. One of their main aims was to get the irish back speaking irish.


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  • #67
    carlowmurphy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28 ✭carlowmurphy


    Manutd_4life wrote: »
    Nothing better than being able to have a conversation in irish!!!!! Your joking right.

    You're*
    I'd stick to mastering English if I was you.


  • #68
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
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    carlowmurphy wrote: »
    I get you but if you think about it an awful lot would not choose irish as a subject and therefore we would lose it eventually.

    But it's not the student's fault or responsibility to ensure the survival of a langauge. It's the repsonsibility of the Dept for Arts, Heritage and the Gaeltacht. The Dept of Education is there to educate students, and the student should therefore have a sazy in his/her education.

    Also, you're assuming that masses of reluctant students will become enthusiastic and fluent speakers in their teenage years, which is fallacy.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #69
    Peregrine
    Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,403 Mod ✭✭✭✭Peregrine


    carlowmurphy wrote: »
    You're*
    I'd stick to mastering English if I was you.

    Oh, the irony..


  • #70
    carlowmurphy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28 ✭carlowmurphy


    Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »
    But it's not the student's fault or responsibility to ensure the survival of a langauge. It's the repsonsibility of the Dept for Arts, Heritage and the Gaeltacht. The Dept of Education is there to educate students, and the student should therefore have a sazy in his/her education.

    Also, you're assuming that masses of reluctant students will become enthusiastic and fluent speakers in their teenage years, which is fallacy.

    Yea I fully agree with what you're saying. As I've said the course is all wrong. Stories that have no plot or ending etc. The Dept of Education need to change this. If not Irish should be made optional.
    In order to keep the language alive, more has to be done in day to day life to encourage people to speak it if they wish to do so. Anyway thats straying a bit off topic. Basically my opinion is keep it compulsory for junior cert. No harm in offering students a taste of studying their native language. Then after that let it be optional.


  • #71
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
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    carlowmurphy wrote: »
    Yea I fully agree with what you're saying. As I've said the course is all wrong. Stories that have no plot or ending etc. The Dept of Education need to change this. If not Irish should be made optional.
    In order to keep the language alive, more has to be done in day to day life to encourage people to speak it if they wish to do so. Anyway thats straying a bit off topic. Basically my opinion is keep it compulsory for junior cert. No harm in offering students a taste of studying their native language. Then after that let it be optional.

    No argument there, but again this isn't about 'keeping the language alive' this is a case of 'keeping it compulsory'.

    We're talking about what is best for the student.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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  • #72
    Red Nissan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,055 ✭✭✭Red Nissan


    IMO, Irish should be banned, a starting student should have university level English by the age of twelve, ie, a thorough understanding of one native tongue, in our case, English.

    After that, once a complete competency is achieved, teach them other languages, Irish, French ect.

    IMO, Irish is the sole cause of the high level of illiteracy in University Graduates.


  • #73
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
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    Red Nissan wrote: »

    IMO, Irish is the sole cause of the high level of illiteracy in University Graduates.

    The what...??!

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #74
    carlowmurphy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28 ✭carlowmurphy


    Red Nissan wrote: »

    IMO, Irish is the sole cause of the high level of illiteracy in University Graduates.

    Emm...What's a university...
    I joke I joke


  • #75
    dalta5billion
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    Red Nissan wrote: »
    IMO, Irish should be banned, a starting student should have university level English by the age of twelve, ie, a thorough understanding of one native tongue, in our case, English.

    After that, once a complete competency is achieved, teach them other languages, Irish, French ect.

    IMO, Irish is the sole cause of the high level of illiteracy in University Graduates.

    Such ignorance.

    I presume you mean "not taught" rather than "banned". Perhaps you should consider revising your "university level" persuasive writing, considering that you contradict yourself later in your argument.

    You claim a high level of illiteracy among University Graduates. Source?

    You claim the study of a second language contributes to illiteracy. Source?


  • #76
    Snake
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,844 ✭✭✭Snake


    Red Nissan wrote: »
    IMO, Irish is the sole cause of the high level of illiteracy in University Graduates.

    Illiteracy in a Graduate?


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