Why isn't fighting to the death legal if consented?

wolfeye · 14-04-2014 06:13PM

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

*Rubs glove print*
I accept!

Very good Sir.
A duel with pistols at first dawn tomorrow.

Cantremember · 14-04-2014 06:26PM

So the local Manny Pacquaio dislikes you. He challenges you to a fight to the death, no weapons. Well now Ted.

The Diabolical Monocle · 14-04-2014 07:08PM

This is actually where we get the term 'touché'.

Back in the day when I was growing up in gaie Paris there were duels a plenty.

And they were perfectly acceptable to the local préfecture

Duels took place initially for serious raisons.
But soon they were taking place for all the raisons one may care to imagine.

A slight on your quality of wig, refusing an aperitif, the whole Strasbourg vs Biarritz rivalry.

Anyway, this left many a madamoiselle without her husband and many an enfant without a pere.

Alors, Laws came into effect whereby the first to cause a wound was the victor.
Soon after that it was the first to draw blood, and so the mere touch of an epee was enough to win.

Even a tiny wound you could barely notice - and so the loser would own up - touched - touché - you win this time Prudence. A la prochaine.... a la prochaine.

Riskymove · 14-04-2014 07:11PM

Karl Stein wrote: »

So was slavery. We kinda got more civilised in many parts of the world.

It was tongue in cheek

Capt'n Midnight · 14-04-2014 07:17PM

In Paraguay duelling is legal as long as both parties are registered blood donors.

Conall Cernach · 14-04-2014 08:05PM

It would be cool if men could walk around with swords though.

johnnyskeleton · 14-04-2014 08:08PM

The origin was with the Plantagenet kings who wanted to stop people killing each other so that they could go off and kill Frenchmen.

Also the bible I suppose!

Stavros Murphy · 14-04-2014 08:18PM

I too would consent to a duel. Pistols at 1000 paces. No aiming for the head..

Wacker The Attacker · 14-04-2014 08:20PM

But you could be like dead and sh1t

The Diabolical Monocle · 14-04-2014 09:04PM

Conall Cernach wrote: »

It would be cool if men could walk around with swords though.

We do.

with pork swords.

Vision of Disorder · 14-04-2014 09:09PM

Stavros Murphy wrote: »

I too would consent to a duel. Pistols at 1000 paces. No aiming for the head..

Or balls.

Stavros Murphy · 14-04-2014 09:32PM

Wacker The Attacker wrote: »

But you could be like dead and sh1t

kinda doubtful at 1000 paces. The winner could be the person who raises dust nearest to the other.

robertpatterson · 14-04-2014 09:36PM

Best duel ever
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_Virchow#The_Sausage_Duel

Drakares · 14-04-2014 09:49PM

TheBrinch wrote: »

Serious question.

If 2 people hated each other so much that they mutually agreed to a fight to the death, why shouldn't this be allowed? On the condition that no-one else is in any sort of danger from the event.

Now I'm proposing this on the grounds that it should not be turned into a sport or televised. Also it would be a non-gambling event. Its not the type of thing where winners are broadcasted or made look like mad gladiators or something. The competitors must be over 18 or 21 or something.

This shouldn't be the type of thing which people are coerced into and for the sake of it both people would need to sign a legal contract agreeing to the event while also having a witness present (or possibly a lawyer). They wouldn't face a murder charge or anything like that seen as it was completely agreed to.

Now I know some people may jump at the opportunity, I couldn't see this happening on a regular basis as not everyone would agree to such a thing.

Keep in mind this is obviously just a rough idea and I haven't gone over every scenario in my head but you should get the idea.

Some people will likely disagree because its too 'barbaric' or some crap but this is a genuinely interesting subject I would like peoples opinion on.

So yay or nay?

On a side note, this could be applied to other instances such as assisted suicide for example. Imagine a relative is paralyzed or something and they ask you to help them die. As long as they are in their right mind, you both sign a contract and its legal to do it...

Please do not pro-create.

pablo128 · 14-04-2014 09:56PM

The chance of legally beating Joey Barton to death is quite tempting......

Richard Hillman · 14-04-2014 10:18PM

I was watching Gladiator this morning and thinking the exact same thing. I'm sure if you set up an arena in some proper ****hole country with vast amounts of open land, you could pay off the local police to turn a blind eye. In terms of gladiators, i'm sure there would be people out there in the world that would be open to doing it for a large fee. The PPV money can pay for that.

You could do themed matches too. Old School Gladiator fights, Mexican stand offs or even fights with humans against crocodiles and stuff.

Stavros Murphy · 14-04-2014 10:31PM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

I was watching Gladiator this morning and thinking the exact same thing. I'm sure if you set up an arena in some proper ****hole country with vast amounts of open land, you could pay off the local police to turn a blind eye. In terms of gladiators, i'm sure there would be people out there in the world that would be open to doing it for a large fee. The PPV money can pay for that.

You could do themed matches too. Old School Gladiator fights, Mexican stand offs or even fights with humans against crocodiles and stuff.

This sounds new and exciting. The venue could be called somthing groovy, like "The Colosseum" or whatever. If we ran out of willing participants, religious minorities could be roped in to fight lions and the like. The crowd could be like the X-Factor judges and give the thumbs up or down for who lives or dies. This would be a huge leap forward in entertainment, previously unseen. Good idea. Maybe.

Cantremember · 14-04-2014 11:02PM

The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »

This is actually where we get the term 'touché'.

Back in the day when I was growing up in gaie Paris there were duels a plenty.

And they were perfectly acceptable to the local préfecture

Duels took place initially for serious raisons.
But soon they were taking place for all the raisons one may care to imagine.

A slight on your quality of wig, refusing an aperitif, the whole Strasbourg vs Biarritz rivalry.

Anyway, this left many a madamoiselle without her husband and many an enfant without a pere.

Alors, Laws came into effect whereby the first to cause a wound was the victor.
Soon after that it was the first to draw blood, and so the mere touch of an epee was enough to win.

Even a tiny wound you could barely notice - and so the loser would own up - touched - touché - you win this time Prudence. A la prochaine.... a la prochaine.

You Sir, are masquerading as Le Monocle Diabolique. Any red blooded Frenchman knows that when a madamoiselle marries she loses her oiselle and becomes Madame. I will see you behind Les Jardins Luxembourg at Le Premier Coq.

Stavros Murphy · 14-04-2014 11:20PM

Cantremember wrote: »

You Sir, are masquerading as Le Monocle Diabolique. Any red blooded Frenchman knows that when a madamoiselle marries she loses her oiselle and becomes Madame. I will see you behind Les Jardins Luxembourg at Le Premier Coq.

They closed Le Premier Coq last year for breaches of the Health regulations. It has re-opened, under new management, as Le Coq Nouvelle.

Degag · 14-04-2014 11:55PM

The OP is watching too much Game of Thrones methinks.

TheBrinch · 15-04-2014 03:00AM

Degag wrote: »

The OP is watching too much Game of Thrones methinks.

Nah, was just reading the other thread about questions people think but never ask...always had this thought in my mind for whatever reason

diomed · 15-04-2014 05:29AM

Premeditated killing is wrong, and unlawful. Suggesting organised killing for entertainment is a disgraceful idea.

Vision of Disorder · 15-04-2014 09:25AM

diomed wrote: »

Suggesting organised killing for entertainment is a disgraceful idea.

I'm pretty sure that the OP stressed that it would not be a public spectacle in his original post?

Renegade Mechanic · 16-04-2014 01:13PM

We should set up an arena. And make it a public spectacle! A big, very well lit semi-sphere cage that loads of people can climb up on and watch two people enter, that despise each other, and fight.

But I wonder... What could such a place be called.....

Adamantium · 16-04-2014 01:22PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5n28hpMFBE

Why isn't fighting to the death legal if consented?

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