Liverpool Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 Mod Warning Post #6378

5live · 14-04-2014 10:25AM

kfallon wrote: »

Still doesn't excuse his second touch. It's like everyone wants to berate Moses for the poor touch cos we don't like him or rate him but it's ok for Henderson to do the same. It has to be a level playing field, both were very heavy touches that conceded possession that could have been costly.

Anyway the most disgraceful passage of play near the end was from Skrtel, what he was doing putting his hand in the air is beyond me! Imagine if Clattenburg had been well placed to see it, was as bad as Glenn Hysen at Old Trafford in 1991!!!

If you look at the replay of the incident from behind the goal, when Skrtel jumped, Sakho jumped just after and pushed his hand out and up into the ball. It would have been a harsh penalty as Skrtel had little control of the situation

kfallon · 14-04-2014 10:28AM

The Palace away game, I can't remember too many fond memories at Selhurst Park over the years either against Wimbledon or Palace apart from the 6-1 opening day win against Palace around '94 and the LC semi final win that same season.....

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NukaCola · 14-04-2014 10:44AM

kfallon wrote: »

Still doesn't excuse his second touch. It's like everyone wants to berate Moses for the poor touch cos we don't like him or rate him but it's ok for Henderson to do the same. It has to be a level playing field, both were very heavy touches that conceded possession that could have been costly.

One poster is not everyone

slingerz · 14-04-2014 10:46AM

With Sturridge and Henderson out for Norwich i reckon we may go to a 4-2-3-1 formation

Mig
Johnson-Skrtel-Sakho-Flanagan
Gerrard - Allen
Sterling - Coutinho - Moses
Suarez

witnessmenow · 14-04-2014 10:48AM

kfallon wrote: »

Henderson's touch was every bit as bad, both of them had the touch of a rapist!

Not defending Henderson's touch, but he had more of a right to take a crap touch, he was probably wrecked!

Feel sorry for him, but really he can blame no one but himself.

Daemonic · 14-04-2014 10:49AM

I'd be happy with

Mig
Johnson-Skrtel-Sakho-Flanagan

Gerrard
--Allen

Lucas

Coutinho

Sterling - Suarez

Lucas was good in the diamond when he came on against West Ham and Sterling's pace is a match for Sturridge's any day.

mayordenis · 14-04-2014 10:49AM

I would have thought if both are out it's going to be

Gerrard, Lucas, Allen, Coutinho, Sterling, Suarez.

Id rather that as the front 6 than Moses in for Lucas personally.

Am I the only one who really wants Agger back in too? Sakho scares the absolute ****e out of me, puts team mates under so much pressure.

Vicxas · 14-04-2014 10:51AM

mayordenis wrote: »

I would have thought if both are out it's going to be

Gerrard, Lucas, Allen, Coutinho, Sterling, Suarez.

Id rather that as the front 6 than Moses in for Lucas personally.

Am I the only one who really wants Agger back in too? Sakho scares the absolute ****e out of me, puts team mates under so much pressure.

I dunno, Sakho has more "Presence" in the box. If he can withstand a barrage from Man City id be happy for him to see the season out instead of Danny.

Knex* · 14-04-2014 10:52AM

witnessmenow wrote: »

Not defending Henderson's touch, but he had more of a right to take a crap touch, he was probably wrecked!

Feel sorry for him, but really he can blame no one but himself.

Yeah, though he had another good game. His energy and commitment to putting a huge shift, is remarkable. I don't want to undersell his quality, but he does a lot of water carrying stuff, and he'll be missed for the next three games.

NukaCola · 14-04-2014 10:52AM

slingerz wrote: »

With Sturridge and Henderson out for Norwich i reckon we may go to a 4-2-3-1 formation

Mig
Johnson-Skrtel-Sakho-Flanagan
Gerrard - Allen
Sterling - Coutinho - Moses
Suarez

I'd rather play with ten men than play Moses. No desire or interest.

Aspas for Sturridge, Allen for Henderson and keep the same shape. Aspas hasn't been great but hasn't got many chances. I'd give him his chance against Norwich.

DrumSteve · 14-04-2014 10:54AM

NukaCola wrote: »

I'd rather play with ten men than play Moses. No desire or interest.

Aspas for Sturridge, Allen for Henderson and keep the same shape. Aspas hasn't been great but hasn't got many chances. I'd give him his chance against Norwich.

I'd be almost inclined to play lucas in gerrards current position and push Gerrard further up the field.

Don't need Moses on the pitch.

NukaCola · 14-04-2014 10:54AM

mayordenis wrote: »

Sakho scares the absolute ****e out of me, puts team mates under so much pressure.

Really? Didn't get that yesterday at all. Very solid.

OwaynOTT · 14-04-2014 10:56AM

mayordenis wrote: »

I would have thought if both are out it's going to be

Gerrard, Lucas, Allen, Coutinho, Sterling, Suarez.

Id rather that as the front 6 than Moses in for Lucas personally.

Am I the only one who really wants Agger back in too? Sakho scares the absolute ****e out of me, puts team mates under so much pressure.

Yeah I'd have no problem with Agger back in against the Canaries. Skittles and Agger have the most clean sheets, no?
I have to say I like Sakho and think he will be great for us. He looks awkward on the ball but actually has a good touch and is a good passer of the ball, as good as Agger I'd say and defo better than Skrtel.
Norwich have no real threat that Agger can't cope with but for the Chelsea and Newcastle games have Sakho.

DDC1990 · 14-04-2014 10:58AM

I'd go with:

Mignolet

Jono----Skrtel----Sakho----Flanno
----Lucas----Gerrard----Allen----
Sterling

Coutinho

Suarez

Looks a bit defensive but the 3 CM's could take it in turns to go forward.

Would have control of the middle I feel and give us plenty of chances to get the ball to Suarez

Devilman40k · 14-04-2014 11:01AM

DrumSteve wrote: »

I'd be almost inclined to play lucas in gerrards current position and push Gerrard further up the field.

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No...and thats coming from a position where I thought Gerrards time was up.

If Lucas plays it's in front of Gerrard and alongside Allen with Sterling, Coutinho and Suarez as front 3

skywalker · 14-04-2014 11:01AM

Anyone have any info on Danny. Were potentially a bit light upfront against Chelsea if he hasnt returned by that stage. Moses wont be able to play in that fixture either.

worst case senario for that game?

Lucas Gerrard
Allen/Alberto
Sterling Coutinho
Suarez

mayordenis · 14-04-2014 11:02AM

Sakho isn't a good passer lads you're kidding yourselves, he keeps putting our fullbacks under pressure with really poor, strongly hit passes. He absolutely launches into tackles sometimes that tick all the blood and thunder boxes, but none of the composed proper defending that we needed.

I'm not saying he's a useless piece of **** or anything like that but him and Skrtel together in particular are terrifying, I'd almost play Kolo and Sakho or Skrtel and Agger.

eyescreamcone · 14-04-2014 11:02AM

messinkiapina wrote: »

Chelsea's other 3 remaining fixtures are so handy. You couldn't hand pick them better. We have 2 very difficult away games imo. I still make Chelsea or city favorites.

Paddy Power would disagree with you

NabyLadistheman · 14-04-2014 11:05AM

Coutinho was absolutely immense yesterday. And I am not talking about his goal or his silky passes. His defensive work was sensational, he was the first man to get a tackle in to win possession and he was buzzing around the place all day. The man was wired which is great to see as people may look at him in the heat of battle and maybe see him as being a weak link, especially when you don't have much of the ball.

Lord Trollington · 14-04-2014 11:05AM

As if there wasn't enough incentive to win the next 4 games, maybe just maybe Henderson missing the next 3 games will make the lads try all the harder for him and the effort he has put in through the season.

Lucas waiting in the wings chomping at the bit to prove himself once more also.
He should be like a rabid dog.

Allen also has had his critics. Both of them will get their chance over the next 3 games to play a huge part in the most important part of Liverpool's season in 20 odd years.

Henderson will be lucky to get back in in my opinion when he has served his ban.

Devilman40k · 14-04-2014 11:06AM

mayordenis wrote: »

I'm not saying he's a useless piece of **** or anything like that but him and Skrtel together in particular are terrifying, I'd almost play Kolo and Sakho or Skrtel and Agger.

And yet between them they've stopped Dzeko, Aguero (albeit not match fit) and kept Andy Carroll in their pocket.

Yesterdays issues were more to do with the midfield defending on their own 18 yard line and not getting a hold of the ball. When Allen came on that changed very quickly and we were pushing back up the pitch.

All in all happy with how Sakho played yesterday, didn't do much wrong

mayordenis · 14-04-2014 11:09AM

Devilman40k wrote: »

And yet between them they've stopped Dzeko, Aguero (albeit not match fit) and kept Andy Carroll in their pocket.

Not sure that's really true, In all honesty Dzeko should have had a penalty from Sakho, Nasri and Silva passed them in circles.

Like how long was Aguero on for?

You surely know your points are extremely selective.

kfallon · 14-04-2014 11:10AM

Sakho just doesn't look as stylish as Agger, that's all it is but he keeps his passing simple and is comfortable on the ball. He knows when to play a pass and when to just get it up the field out of the danger area (usually when he find himself in the covering the full back position)

witnessmenow · 14-04-2014 11:12AM

Devilman40k wrote: »

And yet between them they've stopped Dzeko, Aguero (albeit not match fit) and kept Andy Carroll in their pocket.

Yesterdays issues were more to do with the midfield defending on their own 18 yard line and not getting a hold of the ball. When Allen came on that changed very quickly and we were pushing back up the pitch.

All in all happy with how Sakho played yesterday, didn't do much wrong

Except he did make the most ridiculous of efforts of a tackle that should have been a penalty when there was absolutely no need to make it.

mayordenis · 14-04-2014 11:12AM

I honestly disagree, it's nothing to do with style it's to do with playing stupid passes to Flanagan all the time that put everyone in trouble.

Devilman40k · 14-04-2014 11:14AM

mayordenis wrote: »

Not sure that's really true, In all honesty Dzeko should have had a penalty from Sakho, Nasri and Silva passed them in circles.

Like how long was Aguero on for?

You surely know your points are extremely selective.

Not really, I'm judging on the 2 performances they have given (remembering that Sakho hasn't played since Christmas through injury)

Aguero was on long enough for him to do something (27 mins all in) - I recall Sturridge getting less against Stoke and doing plenty!

Nasri and Silva passed through both our full backs, but that was a result of the team dropping further and further back (due entirely to City pressure and our own inability to keep the ball in the middle third - which was rectified with the addition of Allen)

Morzadec · 14-04-2014 11:17AM

Now is not the time to put in Moses or Aspas imo. They are unknown quantities, we don't know if they have the guts or the steel at this vital point.

If Sturridge is out alongside Henderson, then imo we put in two players who have been involved lately and have shown they won't let us down - Lucas and Allen.

We have the versatility in our team to make this work and rotate around.

How would I work it?

I would strongly consider keeping the diamond, giving Allen liscence/responsibility to get forward and get beyond the opposition centre-backs as he sees fit, play Sterling up top with Suarez in a fluid 2, and Coutinho behind them both in his favoured role:

Gerrard

Lucas----Allen

Coutinho

---Sterling

Suarez---

Fizman · 14-04-2014 11:17AM

mayordenis wrote: »

Sakho isn't a good passer lads you're kidding yourselves, he keeps putting our fullbacks under pressure with really poor, strongly hit passes. He absolutely launches into tackles sometimes that tick all the blood and thunder boxes, but none of the composed proper defending that we needed.

I'm not saying he's a useless piece of **** or anything like that but him and Skrtel together in particular are terrifying, I'd almost play Kolo and Sakho or Skrtel and Agger.

I think he can get nervous but I do like him and feel that only steady game time will get his passing / timing etc corrected. He is only back from a long enough layoff and has done very well imo. I know if I was an opposing striker I would much rather play against Agger than Sakho. He is just an all round better defender to me than Daniel.......and what we need over the next 4 games is strength and presence....something Agger lacks greatly.

OwaynOTT · 14-04-2014 11:20AM

mayordenis wrote: »

I honestly disagree, it's nothing to do with style it's to do with playing stupid passes to Flanagan all the time that put everyone in trouble.

City did target that area a lot yesterday and as a left footer it is more natural to pass to that side for Sakho. I can only recall it happening once or twice and at the time City had us really under pressure.
Agger is as bad for putting Flanno under pressure with those passes and did it in his last game too.

djPSB · 14-04-2014 11:22AM

Devilman40k wrote: »

And yet between them they've stopped Dzeko, Aguero (albeit not match fit) and kept Andy Carroll in their pocket.

Yesterdays issues were more to do with the midfield defending on their own 18 yard line and not getting a hold of the ball. When Allen came on that changed very quickly and we were pushing back up the pitch.

All in all happy with how Sakho played yesterday, didn't do much wrong

When you see how Kompany played yesterday, you quickly realise that no defender is perfect.

Skrtel and Sakho were fine.

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