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Liverpool v Man City. Sun April 13th KO 13:37 SS1, Important Mod Warning in OP.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭ThunbergsAreGo


    Because sub's are perfectly interchangeable while maintaining the harmony of the first team?

    Face it. No Europe is a big weight off liverpools neck, especially at this stage.

    Ok we'll face it.....and win the league.....and not give a ****


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,867 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    City to win it comfortably in the end. I'd say 3 - 1. Far superior team to Liverpool. If they turn up, they'll win.
    The bubble is about to burst my Liverpool friends
    City should win by a couple of goals with Aguero back in the team. Liverpool will have to look at getting points from other games to try secure that fourth spot.
    BNMC wrote: »
    Can see nothing but an easy win for City here. Liverpool's over-reliance on Suarez will be shown up as I feel Kompany will have him in his back pocket just like he did in the first game between these sides. He even nicked a goal in that game.

    Midfield will be a mismatch, Gerrard doesn't have the legs or know how to even match Yaya Touré, who in my opinion is the best player in the EPL at the moment.

    Easy win for City. Maybe 4-1.

    You know the thing is, I get these posts. I don't quite believe it yet either. In title run ins year after year teams drop the strangest of points down the stretch. Norwich is a massive game. Hopefully Palace and Newcastle will be of equal 'must win to win' importance. There are still a few outs for those desperately hoping we don't win it.

    Though, just so we're clear, sentiment like this is what would make a win (if we do somehow get over the line) all the sweeter.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,867 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    dirtyden wrote: »
    I had a look at transfer spend of premier league teams out of curiosity. Stoke have the 4th highest net spend at 91 million over the last 5 years, just a few quid behind united and more than Liverpool. Chelsea and city are way way out in front.

    Stoke's net spend is misleading because their volume or average purchase price is so much lower. There is a significant difference between a net spend of £90m after you buy £400m and sell £310m as opposed to a net spend of £90m when you bought £150 and sold £60m.

    I'm not saying net spend isn't an important indicator mind - it absolutely is. But as with all statistics context is everything.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,845 ✭✭✭Hidalgo


    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    Stoke's net spend is misleading because their volume or average purchase price is so much lower. There is a significant difference between a net spend of £90m after you buy £400m and sell £310m as opposed to a net spend of £90m when you bought £150 and sold £60m.

    I'm not saying net spend isn't an important indicator mind - it absolutely is. But as with all statistics context is everything.

    Fair point but it does highlight some of the poor business done by Stoke under Pulis.
    I remember him complaining after being beaten by Arsenal that Arsenal had Monreal playing who cost £12m and Stoke couldn't compete with that.
    Part of the reason was because of Wenger's shrewdness in the market. Stoke were a bit like Villa under O' Neill, overpaying on both fees and wages and then getting very little value in the sell on.

    Anyway, I'm going off topic with this, no need to do so after a heart attack day that was that game :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,991 ✭✭✭mikeym


    Im so happy :D


    Its in Liverpools hands now YNWA!!!!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,321 ✭✭✭✭klose


    If demichellis was in kompanys position for the first goal where he got done and the 3rd where he miss kicked it we would have to endured a barrage of ****ty internet memes and how awful he was. Was miles the better defender today.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,321 ✭✭✭✭klose


    mikeym wrote: »
    Im so happy :D


    Its in Liverpools hands now YNWA!!!!

    Technically in chelseas hand, liverpool can afford a draw/loss imo still


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,527 ✭✭✭✭Darkglasses


    klose wrote: »
    If demichellis was in kompanys position for the first goal where he got done and the 3rd where he miss kicked it we would have to endured a barrage of ****ty internet memes and how awful he was. Was miles the better defender today.

    No doubt. Kompany had a shocker today. Not saying Demi is a better player overall but he definitely had a better day.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭blueser


    klose wrote: »
    If demichellis was in kompanys position for the first goal where he got done and the 3rd where he miss kicked it we would have to endured a barrage of ****ty internet memes and how awful he was. Was miles the better defender today.
    To be fair, he's been playing well this past few weeks. I was dreading him up against Suarez and/or Sturridge today, but neither of them got a kick. In the end, Suarez had to revert to type. Vinnie had a mare today. Down to his injury? Who knows? He certainly wasn't anywhere near his true form, that's for sure.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,293 ✭✭✭✭Mint Sauce


    Some body pinch me.

    :D


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 906 ✭✭✭Eight Ball


    blueser wrote: »
    To be fair, he's been playing well this past few weeks. I was dreading him up against Suarez and/or Sturridge today, but neither of them got a kick. In the end, Suarez had to revert to type. Vinnie had a mare today. Down to his injury? Who knows? He certainly wasn't anywhere near his true form, that's for sure.

    How do you mean Suarez had to revert to type?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭Turtyturd


    Eight Ball wrote: »
    How do you mean Suarez had to revert to type?

    Win at all costs...what a man.


  • Posts: 45,738 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    He didn't dive after all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    klose wrote: »
    If demichellis was in kompanys position for the first goal where he got done and the 3rd where he miss kicked it we would have to endured a barrage of ****ty internet memes and how awful he was. Was miles the better defender today.

    He was plenty asleep himself for the first. Coutinho drifted in past him to a position where sterling could have rolled it to his right for coutinho to tap in.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,208 ✭✭✭Hangballlouie


    rarnes1 wrote: »
    He didn't dive after all.

    No he did, the commentators on sky said it so it must be true.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,710 ✭✭✭✭Paully D


    dirtyden wrote: »
    I had a look at transfer spend of premier league teams out of curiosity. Stoke have the 4th highest net spend at 91 million over the last 5 years, just a few quid behind united and more than Liverpool. Chelsea and city are way way out in front.

    Sunderland are the 7th highest spenders in Premier League history since 2003 behind only City, Chelsea, Liverpool, United, Spurs and Villa. Disgraceful really.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,399 ✭✭✭✭Thanx 4 The Fish


    rarnes1 wrote: »
    He didn't dive after all.

    Nope, had a standup row with a mate over it, I thought the trailing leg caught him but he was not having it. Just had a text from him there. MOTD2, great show :)


  • Posts: 24,286 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    rarnes1 wrote: »
    He didn't dive after all.

    Nope. He made a meal of it though. Although his second was cast iron. Perhaps the ref was trying to balance things out.

    Amazing atmosphere at Anfield today and thats just from watching it on the tv. Being there id imagine would have the hair standing on the back of your neck for days.


  • Subscribers Posts: 32,912 ✭✭✭✭5starpool


    Suarez was caught but he definitely did dive to exaggerate contact, much as Dzeko did in the first half.


  • Posts: 45,738 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Nope, had a standup row with a mate over it, I thought the trailing leg caught him but he was not having it. Just had a text from him there. MOTD2, great show :)

    Should have had a pen too


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,782 ✭✭✭ASOT


    Just seen this on my facebook timeline haha

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,632 ✭✭✭mrsoundie


    ASOT wrote: »
    Just seen this on my facebook timeline haha

    1237663_1416435378618569_1641241285600447224_n.jpg

    Brilliant give that man a medal (obviously not a premiership winners medal).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,129 ✭✭✭✭citytillidie


    No he did, the commentators on sky said it so it must be true.

    No Gary Neville said it and they all followed suit

    ******



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,952 ✭✭✭Morzadec


    So wait, Suarez didn't dive? Haven't watched MOTD yet so only saw it on replay in the pub and I thought we had really got away with one (Suarez not getting a 2nd yellow).

    My view on the other contentious decisions:

    Dzeko penalty appeal: Very 50/50. If it had been given it would be hard to complain, because Sahko does not touch the ball and impedes the player in the box. However, contact is minimal and Dzeko completely exaggerates it in order to draw the refs attention to the infringement (as most players would, lets be honest). Can also see why it wasn't given. Ultimately in such a massive match, such a big decision, the ref is going to want to be sure and this is England, not Spain afterall. But it arguably was technically a penalty.

    Suarez penalty appeal: See above. He is technically 'fouled' (impeded) by Kompany who has his arms all over him. However, he goes down easily and it would have probably been soft.

    Sturridge penalty appeal: Another difficult one, as Sturridge is taken out before the ball. However, Zabaleta's body position is such that it could be argued that he has got between ball and player and is in fact now in possession of the ball, in which case Sturridge is colliding into him... (a bit like Suarez's strength in knocking off the City player just before setting up Sterling for the 1st goal). I feel this probably wasn't a penalty.

    Skrtel handball penalty appeal: Many will disagree with me, but for me it is just not a penalty. The rules clearly state that the hand has to be deliberate, and it looks nothing of the sort from Skrtel who is climbing to win the ball with his head and it inadvertantly comes off his hand. At the same time, we see many penos given for accidental handballs (far too many imo, and the rule is generally badly and harshly interpreted). I will have to watch it again, but on first viewing I think it's just a muddle and his hand gets in the way. There is no appeal from the City players and for me it would have been very harsh.

    Henderson Red: Feel so sorry for the guy, and I really hope we don't look back on this moment thinking that it might have cost us the title (his role is incredibly important in the team). It was not malicious, but ultimately it was the right decision - in this day and age you can't go in like that, and referees have generally been very consistent with tackles like this, so no complaints.


    I think they are all of the major talking points. Maybe watching MOTD later I will revise some views, because it looks like I may have got the Suarez one wrong. Though you would expect Clattenburg to either give the free or give a yellow there perhaps, so it's a strange one. Maybe he wasn't sure either way.

    If Suarez did dive and we got away with it, then we definitely got the rub of the green yesterday as going down to 10 would have likely handed the victory to City.

    If not, then I don't think we were particularly lucky. They had a few shouts, so did we. Not a single one was a stonewaller, though arguably all (certainly at least one a piece) could have been given.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,681 ✭✭✭✭OwaynOTT


    The ref was too quick to give out cards early on and that gave him a problem in regards to Suarez, who probably should have been booked for diving. When he didn't get booked he couldn't book milner for it either.
    Clattenburg is one of the poorer refs and yesterday it probably went in our favour.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,208 ✭✭✭Hangballlouie


    No Gary Neville said it and they all followed suit

    Just like he did with Flanagan, which was 100% a peno.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,438 ✭✭✭5live


    Morzadec wrote: »
    So wait, Suarez didn't dive? Haven't watched MOTD yet so only saw it on replay in the pub and I thought we had really got away with one (Suarez not getting a 2nd yellow).

    My view on the other contentious decisions:

    Dzeko penalty appeal: Very 50/50. If it had been given it would be hard to complain, because Sahko does not touch the ball and impedes the player in the box. However, contact is minimal and Dzeko completely exaggerates it in order to draw the refs attention to the infringement (as most players would, lets be honest). Can also see why it wasn't given. Ultimately in such a massive match, such a big decision, the ref is going to want to be sure and this is England, not Spain afterall. But it arguably was technically a penalty.

    Suarez penalty appeal: See above. He is technically 'fouled' (impeded) by Kompany who has his arms all over him. However, he goes down easily and it would have probably been soft.

    Sturridge penalty appeal: Another difficult one, as Sturridge is taken out before the ball. However, Zabaleta's body position is such that it could be argued that he has got between ball and player and is in fact now in possession of the ball, in which case Sturridge is colliding into him... (a bit like Suarez's strength in knocking off the City player just before setting up Sterling for the 1st goal). I feel this probably wasn't a penalty.

    Skrtel handball penalty appeal: Many will disagree with me, but for me it is just not a penalty. The rules clearly state that the hand has to be deliberate, and it looks nothing of the sort from Skrtel who is climbing to win the ball with his head and it inadvertantly comes off his hand. At the same time, we see many penos given for accidental handballs (far too many imo, and the rule is generally badly and harshly interpreted). I will have to watch it again, but on first viewing I think it's just a muddle and his hand gets in the way. There is no appeal from the City players and for me it would have been very harsh.

    Henderson Red: Feel so sorry for the guy, and I really hope we don't look back on this moment thinking that it might have cost us the title (his role is incredibly important in the team). It was not malicious, but ultimately it was the right decision - in this day and age you can't go in like that, and referees have generally been very consistent with tackles like this, so no complaints.


    I think they are all of the major talking points. Maybe watching MOTD later I will revise some views, because it looks like I may have got the Suarez one wrong. Though you would expect Clattenburg to either give the free or give a yellow there perhaps, so it's a strange one. Maybe he wasn't sure either way.

    If Suarez did dive and we got away with it, then we definitely got the rub of the green yesterday as going down to 10 would have likely handed the victory to City.

    If not, then I don't think we were particularly lucky. They had a few shouts, so did we. Not a single one was a stonewaller, though arguably all (certainly at least one a piece) could have been given.
    If you look at the Skrtel pen appeal from the back of the goal, it looks like Sakhos head moving his arm upwards and out.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 459 ✭✭RainMaker


    5live wrote: »
    ...upwards and out.

    That reminded me of the whole "back and to the left" scene from JFK! :D ... must be the lack of sleep!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,129 ✭✭✭✭citytillidie


    5live wrote: »
    If you look at the Skrtel pen appeal from the back of the goal, it looks like Sakhos head moving his arm upwards and out.

    No one appealed for it, and nothing was said until a slow montion reply was viewed

    ******



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,170 ✭✭✭messinkiapina


    City deserved something from the game yesterday, but we deserved something from the game in December. I think points shared over the 2 games is perfectly fair.


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