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Cosmetic Surgery - The Human Barbie

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  • Posts: 81,308 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Aarav Mushy Sunblock


    Of course its none of my business but doesn't preclude my having an opinion on it!

    Right, but you said you think it should be refused


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 753 ✭✭✭Jonny Blaze


    bluewolf wrote: »
    Right, but you said you think it should be refused

    Yeah, its my opinion that they should be refused.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,303 ✭✭✭Temptamperu


    Lol op, personality deficiency to have elective surgery?

    You try walking around with H cup breasts on a size 14, 5'1 frame. I have scars on my shoulders from bra straps trying to support my chest, and back pain most days. I do not want a reduction, but I did for years, and it's not down to a personality deficiency, it's down to the fact that I hated my breasts.

    When I'm about 40, I fully plan to have an uplift when they go south.

    Wanting one or two procedures does not point to a personality issue. Constant surgery points towards a mental health issue, not a personality issue.

    Hes not talking about you, hes talking about people who feel ugly going through a dangerous surgery to look "normal" and hes right to a degree. he just didnt small print his post.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,916 ✭✭✭shopaholic01


    Putting on a few nice clothes or a bit of lippy isn't in anyway the same as literally slicing up or pouring dangerous chemicals / firing lasers at you face.
    Doesn't produce the same results either. If cosmetic surgery was properly regulated clients would be fully advised of the risks and always have appropriate aftercare (doesn't happen in a lot of countries currently). Personal choice after that.


  • Posts: 26,219 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Of course I don't think anyone would take issue with a surgery that is of genuine medical merit but the whole 'oh i think my nose is too big' or 'i wish my cheekbones were higher' mentality is definitely a warped outlook in my opinion.

    Why is vanity so maligned anyway? What makes vanity an invalid pursuit? If someone's looks are of paramount importance to them and they're willing to take the risk and spend the money, then let them.

    People fly single-engined planes over mountains, or ski off-piste and take all kinds of risk to enjoy the things that are important to them, putting a negative value judgement on vanity doesn't really make much logical sense.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,687 ✭✭✭✭Penny Tration


    Hes not talking about you, hes talking about people who feel ugly going through a dangerous surgery to look "normal" and hes right to a degree. he just didnt small print his post.

    I wanted it because I felt ugly. I want an uplift when I'm older because I'll feel ugly. Still doesn't mean I have any deficiency in my personality.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 753 ✭✭✭Jonny Blaze


    I think it's hard to understand how you can be affected by the way you look, until you are affected by the way you look.

    Thats a fair point and its not like if someone had some sort of major deformity or similar problem I would take any issue with them receiving help for it, but the mindset that average looking is not good enough is a pretty toxic one as far as I'm concerned anyway.

    Take someone who is perfectly normal looking but maybe think their ears stick out or something.

    And maybe they don't just think it, maybe their ears do in fact stick out a little.

    They could reasonably say that it bothers them but the fact is that it would be an unnecessary surgery. To me that person would be better served trying to overcome their psychological impression of their appearance and develop a more healthy and accepting outlook than going and getting a potentially dangerous surgery to deal with the problem.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Wow, she is proper beautiful

    Yeah. I think so. She probably never will though.. that's the sad part about cases like this =/

    I have to say I agree with Jonny Blaze to some degree. Surgeons, be they medical or cosmetic; should know when to say enough is enough. Some people chase a notion of themselves that they'll never attain, and do more harm than good to themselves in the process.. and ethics should play at least some part in whether or not surgeons are a part of that futility.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 753 ✭✭✭Jonny Blaze


    Candie wrote: »
    Why is vanity so maligned anyway? What makes vanity an invalid pursuit? If someone's looks are of paramount importance to them and they're willing to take the risk and spend the money, then let them.

    People fly single-engined planes over mountains, or ski off-piste and take all kinds of risk to enjoy the things that are important to them, putting a negative value judgement on vanity doesn't really make much logical sense.

    That's actually an excellent point, and there's not really much I can say in retort. Objectively speaking there is only personal self interest at stake here as you say.

    However the issue does bleed over into the grounds of medical ethics and the value society place on an individual's well being, whether physical or psychological.

    If a person were suffering from mental health issues and dealt with it personally by cutting themselves, I think most people would argue that they would be wiser to try and work out their problems in other ways rather rather than resorting to self harm.

    And that's not even taking into account the fact that someone who is self harming is not aided and abetted in the act by a team of medical professionals.

    You could argue that personal choice would govern the decision that person makes, and that hey, they aren't affecting anyone else. Why shoudn't they be allowed to self harm? And maybe you would be right. I sure cant say.

    But if you were to walk in to a surgeons office and ask him to slash your legs with a razor blade 'because it makes me feel better' then it starts to sound like maybe that line of logic isnt without its problems either.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,916 ✭✭✭shopaholic01


    Yeah. I think so. She probably never will though.. that's the sad part about cases like this =/

    I have to say I agree with Jonny Blaze to some degree. Surgeons, be they medical or cosmetic; should know when to say enough is enough. Some people chase a notion of themselves that they'll never attain, and do more harm than good to themselves in the process.. and ethics should play at least some part in whether or not surgeons are a part of that futility.
    She's the female equivalent of Michael Jackson - two very attractive people who didn't need surgery.

    Most people aren't that extreme and just change a feature that they are genuinely unhappy with. I agree with you on the ethics of some surgeons, surely they can differentiate between the two extremes?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 783 ✭✭✭HerrScheisse


    We could get into ethics. On how it it the sickness of luxury, the resources to focus on the exterior. Why there are no laws to restict this practise.

    But man oh man, I would be all over that like stink on a monkey! :)


  • Posts: 53,068 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Thats a fair point and its not like if someone had some sort of major deformity or similar problem I would take any issue with them receiving help for it, but the mindset that average looking is not good enough is a pretty toxic one as far as I'm concerned anyway.

    Take someone who is perfectly normal looking but maybe think their ears stick out or something.

    And maybe they don't just think it, maybe their ears do in fact stick out a little.

    They could reasonably say that it bothers them but the fact is that it would be an unnecessary surgery. To me that person would be better served trying to overcome their psychological impression of their appearance and develop a more healthy and accepting outlook than going and getting a potentially dangerous surgery to deal with the problem.

    I know where you're coming from, and I don't disagree tbh. I think it should be a very last resort, genuinely, but only because I think any surgery should be a last resort. I do know too though, that if you've been bullied over something all of your life, or if every day you look in the mirror and that's all you can see, then it must be life changing to have that problem fixed. In the case of the woman in the OP, I don't think it's healthy to change everything about yourself to make you look like an entirely different person.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 783 ✭✭✭HerrScheisse


    Stink on a monkey I said!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,687 ✭✭✭✭Penny Tration


    Stink on a monkey I said!

    Yeah, we read it the first time.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 753 ✭✭✭Jonny Blaze


    I know where you're coming from, and I don't disagree tbh. I think it should be a very last resort, genuinely, but only because I think any surgery should be a last resort. I do know too though, that if you've been bullied over something all of your life, or if every day you look in the mirror and that's all you can see, then it must be life changing to have that problem fixed. In the case of the woman in the OP, I don't think it's healthy to change everything about yourself to make you look like an entirely different person.

    Yeah its not that I don't empathise with people who have to deal with the issue, I just think that the default should be to try and empower people to deal with, and hopefully overcome their psychological issues via a more conventional or at least less invasive method such as therapy and whatnot.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,180 ✭✭✭EyeSight


    I would!

    Without the make up she's just a hot girl with a boob job who's extremely skinny. If she's happy looking like this then leave her be


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,370 ✭✭✭Knasher


    Yeah its not that I don't empathise with people who have to deal with the issue, I just think that the default should be to try and empower people to deal with, and hopefully overcome their psychological issues via a more conventional or at least less invasive method such as therapy and whatnot.
    Excluding people that are actively a threat to others, I think you just have to deal with people on their own terms. If she wanted to get therapy instead, she absolutely has that option, she chose this instead. I fail to see how she would be empowered by having her right to make this decision taken away from her.

    Wouldn't seem like much of a jump to "empowering" transgendered people in the same way.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,537 ✭✭✭KKkitty


    I can understand someone fixing an unattractive feature, but this girl probably has body dysmorphic disorder.

    The surgeons really should be ashamed, she looks like a freak.

    I'm sure all the money she's paid for the plastic surgery has more than enough helped with the shame. Seriously though there has to be mental problems for someone to undertake all those procedures and to think the end product is something to be pleased with.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,984 ✭✭✭fonecrusher1


    phoawr she a cracker alright. Leave her alone yiz. If she wanna get in shape leave her ffs. She gorgeous.

    Lots of jealous women in here! tut tut :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,916 ✭✭✭shopaholic01


    phoawr she a cracker alright. Leave her alone yiz. If she wanna get in shape leave her ffs. She gorgeous.

    Lots of jealous women in here! tut tut :pac:
    She was stunningly beautiful before the surgeries. I'd be far more jealous of the before than the after.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,537 ✭✭✭KKkitty


    phoawr she a cracker alright. Leave her alone yiz. If she wanna get in shape leave her ffs. She gorgeous.

    Lots of jealous women in here! tut tut :pac:

    Not jealous at all. Don't see the point in plastic surgery for aesthetic purposes really. A healthy eating plan and proper exercise is much better than pumping your body with silicone and the like. Not to mention the possible dangers incurred with cosmetic surgery.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 753 ✭✭✭Jonny Blaze


    Knasher wrote: »
    Excluding people that are actively a threat to others, I think you just have to deal with people on their own terms. If she wanted to get therapy instead, she absolutely has that option, she chose this instead. I fail to see how she would be empowered by having her right to make this decision taken away from her.

    Wouldn't seem like much of a jump to "empowering" transgendered people in the same way.

    I just think its a strange culturally normalised view that you should be expected to excise so called 'imperfections' and that no one should bat an eye at it.

    The fact that it's almost a perverse inversion of what we tell people with say, eating disorders or as I mentioned before, people who self harm due to mental health issues.

    These people are told that what they chose to do to themselves is harmful and that they should seek help to deal with the emotional issues that are the root cause of their destructive behaviours, whereas people with supposed physical imperfections are fully encouraged to just go and have a doctor and have potentially dangerous surgery to solve the problem, rather than being encouraged to deal with what I would surmise as being similar atypical emotional issues that are the root cause of their dissatisfaction with their appearance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 657 ✭✭✭conor-mr2


    Theres a vice documentary about her..
    Real Life Ukrainian Barbie (Full Length): http://youtu.be/xoKwbbnlxi0


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,987 ✭✭✭Legs.Eleven


    She was absolutely stunning before the surgery.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 783 ✭✭✭HerrScheisse


    I would have her before or after the surgery!

    And I am sure here are some sick fellows on here that would have her in between :eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,984 ✭✭✭fonecrusher1


    I just think its a strange culturally normalised view that you should be expected to excise so called 'imperfections' and that no one should bat an eye at it.

    The fact that it's almost a perverse inversion of what we tell people with say, eating disorders or as I mentioned before, people who self harm due to mental health issues.

    These people are told that what they chose to do to themselves is harmful and that they should seek help to deal with the emotional issues that are the root cause of their destructive behaviours, whereas people with supposed physical imperfections are fully encouraged to just go and have a doctor and have potentially dangerous surgery to solve the problem, rather than being encouraged to deal with what I would surmise as being similar atypical emotional issues that are the root cause of their dissatisfaction with their appearance.

    Yeh but she a stunna! Phoawr! u just jelly!:p


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 753 ✭✭✭Jonny Blaze


    Yeh but she a stunna! Phoawr! u just jelly!:p

    Honestly mate, im not really talking about her in general, but it is the quintessential example of unnecessary surgery alright!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,360 ✭✭✭YouTookMyName


    Lol op, personality deficiency to have elective surgery?

    You try walking around with H cup breasts on a size 14, 5'1 frame. I have scars on my shoulders from bra straps trying to support my chest, and back pain most days. I do not want a reduction, but I did for years, and it's not down to a personality deficiency, it's down to the fact that I hated my breasts.

    When I'm about 40, I fully plan to have an uplift when they go south.

    Wanting one or two procedures does not point to a personality issue. Constant surgery points towards a mental health issue, not a personality issue.

    Marry Me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 783 ✭✭✭HerrScheisse


    This thread is full of surprises, from wincing in horror to unexpected arousal!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,687 ✭✭✭✭Penny Tration


    Marry Me.

    No, thanks. :)


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