Manchester United Superthread 2014 Mod Warning post #2237

11-04-2014 11:35AM

rarnes1 wrote: »

Don't see why Buttner would be let go. He has looked decent when given a chance. The others fair enough.

Missed Kagawa. I'd be keeping him for sure.

Ernest Oreo · 11-04-2014 11:36AM

Moyes could probably secure Ben Arfa in a straight swap deal for Nani or Young.

Kerrydude1981 · 11-04-2014 11:37AM

keane2097 wrote: »

Keano liked a night on the lash a lot more than those two whelps I can guarantee you.

Ya he was far from a pioneer

No game this weekend so no harm in a bit of a blow out.

Your Airbag · 11-04-2014 11:37AM

Manchester United accept chances of signing Toni Kroos are 'remote'.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/apr/11/manchester-united-signing-toni-kroos-remote-bayern-munich?CMP=twt_gu

Ernest Oreo · 11-04-2014 11:39AM

Your Airbag wrote: »

Manchester United accept chances of signing Toni Kroos are 'remote'.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/apr/11/manchester-united-signing-toni-kroos-remote-bayern-munich?CMP=twt_gu

positive news only please

Your Airbag · 11-04-2014 11:39AM

We have signed a new Serbian

Manchester United Football Club has today announced a four-year sponsorship deal with Serbian bank Eurobank.

The new agreement, a first of its kind in the Balkans, means Eurobank has been granted exclusive rights to offer the official Manchester United credit card to the club’s 1.2 million followers in Serbia.

http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Club-News/2014/Apr/manchester-united-announces-sponsorship-agreement-with-eurobank.aspx

positive enough?

MagicIRL · 11-04-2014 11:39AM

Your Airbag wrote: »

We have signed a new Serbian

http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Club-News/2014/Apr/manchester-united-announces-sponsorship-agreement-with-eurobank.aspx

positive enough?

Does he play LB or RB?

Pro. F · 11-04-2014 11:43AM

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Bit of mis-communication on the initial debate. I was emphasizing why I believed he played well on Wednesday night but not in particular reference to where he was positioned. I have a feeling on Wednesday it was more of a roaming role even though he played on the right as he drifted inside on several occasions.

In the long term I agree that Kagawa should play a central role with Mata and I am hoping that with a decent signing in the summer a 3 man attacking midfield would be a solid option, but we need to have more than 1 option.

I think playing Mata & Kagawa on the wing is the 2nd choice.

I presume you meant to say left instead of right. I agree he drifted inside from that wide position when we had the ball. If you want to call that a roaming role, fair enough. My point is he defended wide left and I think he wasn't effective enough when we were attacking because of the extra ground he had to make up. You, and a lot of other people, think differently.

With regards to Mata and Kagawa playing together centrally, unless one of them drops back to central midfield I don't see how that's going to happen.

Ernest Oreo · 11-04-2014 11:48AM

Pro. F wrote: »

With regards to Mata and Kagawa playing together centrally, unless one of them drops back to central midfield I don't see how that's going to happen.

Kevin Keegan could find a way for it to work.

Keegan > Moyes

redbaron_99 · 11-04-2014 11:50AM

Ernest Oreo wrote: »

Aaron Lennon, Tom Huddlestone, Ben Arfa, Ross Barkley and Lallana are all very likely on the Moyes Midfield Shopping List

More pearls of wisdom.

Macca07 · 11-04-2014 12:14PM

zerks wrote: »

Mail going with 10 players out:

Evra - gone
Vidic - gone
Ferdinand - gone
Giggs - retiring
Anderson - on loan, but doesn't look like he wants to come back
Buttner - Moyes tried to ship him out on loan before the Contreao deal fell through, so wouldn't be suprised.
Nani - talks from his agent that he is looking to leave
Young - on very high wages so would be suprised if anyone could match them
Kagawa - I don't think so, looks to be enjoying his football again with Mata
Cleverly - I'd be suprised, as bad as he has been, he'd be an alright squad player. Would imagine he is on high wages too.

11-04-2014 12:17PM

Pro. F wrote: »

I presume you meant to say left instead of right. I agree he drifted inside from that wide position when we had the ball. If you want to call that a roaming role, fair enough. My point is he defended wide left and I think he wasn't effective enough when we were attacking because of the extra ground he had to make up. You, and a lot of other people, think differently.

With regards to Mata and Kagawa playing together centrally, unless one of them drops back to central midfield I don't see how that's going to happen.

Yes typo, I meant Left.
When he did have the ball he proved his effectiveness.
I agree having to double up limited him somewhat but the reason for this was for him having to cover for Patrice Evra. If Buttner had played he would have been much more disciplined allowing Kagawa to stay further forward.

Would work as part of a 4-2-3-1 or Five man midfield
Mata (New Midfielder) & Kagawa

Macca07 · 11-04-2014 12:18PM

Ernest Oreo wrote: »

Evra - 3.5m
Vidic - 3.5m
Rio - 0m
Giggs - 0m
Big Ando - 2m
Buttner - 3.5m
Nani -9m
Young - 8m
Cleverly - 4.5m

thats 34m. almost enough to buy Kroos

You'd have to wonder where you're getting these figures from. Vidic is leaving on a free, as will Evra and Rio.

Anderson, we'd get at least £5mil for.
Cleverley, due to him being English, would get close to £10mil.
Young and Nani would also be the £10 mil mark.

Macca07 · 11-04-2014 12:22PM

Ernest Oreo wrote: »

Aaron Lennon, Tom Huddlestone, Ben Arfa, Ross Barkley and Lallana are all very likely on the Moyes Midfield Shopping List

This constant babble that comes out from you is getting tiring. We've never been linked with Huddlestone or Ben Arfa. It was some crap paper that said we were linked to Lennon. Barkley and Lallana play the exact same position.

Ernest Oreo wrote: »

I'm merely speculating that instead of Kroos / Reus / Carvalho / Ronaldo, that the shopping list very possibly has more of a domestic flavour to it

What exactly do you mean by a domestic flavour? Is it because they all play in the EPL?

Ernest Oreo wrote: »

Moyes could probably secure Ben Arfa in a straight swap deal for Nani or Young.

This, I have no words for.

redbaron_99 · 11-04-2014 12:23PM

Macca07 wrote: »

You'd have to wonder where you're getting these figures from. Vidic is leaving on a free, as will Evra and Rio.

Anderson, we'd get at least £5mil for.
Cleverley, due to him being English, would get close to £10mil.
Young and Nani would also be the £10 mil mark.

He's very anti-manchester united for a manchester united fan.

I'd agree mostly with your valuations.
The fees actually arent as important as thew wages these guys are on.

Mitch Connor · 11-04-2014 12:26PM

zerks wrote: »

Mail going with 10 players out:

Just can't see it from a squad management point of view.

Evra is very likely to leave, imo - so selling Buttner as well means we have to sign two left backs in the summer.
Selling Young, Nani AND Kagawa leaves us short in attacking midfield/wing area so I think one of them will stay - I would say Young most likely.
Also think Cleverley will stay.

My 'outs' would be:

Lindegaard
Evra
Ferdinand
Vidic
Anderson
Giggs
Nani
Kagawa
Hernandez

Leaves us needing a left back, at least one centre back, a right back, two central midfielders, a winger - maybe a striker.

Players at the club that possibly come into contention - Amos, Michael Keane, Powell.

Club also needs to have a think about Will Keane, James Wilson and Henriquez up front, with regards to bringing any new striker in.

Ernest Oreo · 11-04-2014 12:34PM

I'd be selling Welback if we were getting anything over 15m for him.
if he has a good WC there'll be international interest.
PSG for example would love to have a big english name amongst their ranks.

Irishcrx · 11-04-2014 12:36PM

Ernest Oreo wrote: »

Moyes could probably secure Ben Arfa in a straight swap deal for Nani or Young.

Oh dear lord....deeeaaarrr looorrrddd are you on drugs??? Talk about the frying pan into the fire..chap can't even get a game for Newcastles starting 11.

Rubber_Soul · 11-04-2014 12:37PM

You're all worse for responding tbh.

Ernest Oreo · 11-04-2014 12:41PM

Irishcrx wrote: »

Oh dear lord....deeeaaarrr looorrrddd are you on drugs??? Talk about the frying pan into the fire..chap can't even get a game for Newcastles starting 11.

ya its unlikely we'll be signing ben arfa (hopefully)
my point was, and perhaps it was exaggerated a little, that this is the calibre of player Moyes is potentially looking at right now - as opposed to a top quality suite involving Kroos, Reus, Ronaldo.

Pro. F · 11-04-2014 12:51PM

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Yes typo, I meant Left.
When he did have the ball he proved his effectiveness.
I agree having to double up limited him somewhat but the reason for this was for him having to cover for Patrice Evra. If Buttner had played he would have been much more disciplined allowing Kagawa to stay further forward.

When you play counter attacking football and let the opposition dominate the possession your wide midfielder has to get back close to your full-back to defend. Your wide midfielder always has to double up with his full-back in that situation. It doesn't matter how good your full-back is at defending, he's still not going be able to defend without his wide man doubling up with him.

I disagree that Kagawa was effective enough when we had possession.

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Would work as part of a 4-2-3-1 or Five man midfield Mata (New Midfielder) & Kagawa

In the 3 of a 4231, when you are defending, there is one player central and two wide (it's nearly always indistinguishable from a 442 when defending). So one of Mata or Kagawa would have to defend wide and play from there when possession was regained. They can drift in when the team have possession if you want, all three players can swap around positions during the game if you want, but two of those three have to get back to help our full-backs every time the team are defending. That is what I am talking about. Kagawa and Mata are not suited to the running up and down the pitch every time possession changes hands.

2moreMinutes · 11-04-2014 01:00PM

Ernest Oreo wrote: »

ya its unlikely we'll be signing ben arfa (hopefully)
my point was, and perhaps it was exaggerated a little, that this is the calibre of player Moyes is potentially looking at right now - as opposed to a top quality suite involving Kroos, Reus, Ronaldo.

I heard he had scouts at a few Ulster Senior League games last weekend. I'd imagine that's more the calibre of players he's interested in cos I have no clue wtf I'm talking about.

redbaron_99 · 11-04-2014 01:01PM

oh, the stink of troll

TheDoc · 11-04-2014 01:04PM

Mikeyt086 wrote: »

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Actually, no, considering you are giving me enough money to start my own business, I'll send you a Neville T-Shirt free of charge.

And **** it, a 10% discount for all Boards.ie United Superthread posters! Just use the discount code: MATAGAWA at the fictional checkout of my fictional t-shirt company, soon to be fictional t-shirt empire.

I want the Berbatov one, immediately.

And defo have a friend who would spunk his bucket at that Ronaldo one

Mitch Connor · 11-04-2014 01:06PM

Jamie Jackson with the first of the articles saying United don't think Kroos is likely and that they fear getting the players they want will be difficult - due to the transfer climate and no cl.

Going to be a long fecking summer.

Delboy5 · 11-04-2014 01:11PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Jamie Jackson with the first of the articles saying United don't think Kroos is likely and that they fear getting the players they want will be difficult - due to the transfer climate and no cl.

Going to be a long fecking summer.

Thinking the same myself, world cup year, no CL football, the top players arent available........could be drivel we hear from the club for the next few months!

WallyGUFC · 11-04-2014 01:12PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Just can't see it from a squad management point of view.

Evra is very likely to leave, imo - so selling Buttner as well means we have to sign two left backs in the summer.
Selling Young, Nani AND Kagawa leaves us short in attacking midfield/wing area so I think one of them will stay - I would say Young most likely.
Also think Cleverley will stay.

My 'outs' would be:

Lindegaard
Evra
Ferdinand
Vidic
Anderson
Giggs
Nani
Kagawa
Hernandez

Leaves us needing a left back, at least one centre back, a right back, two central midfielders, a winger - maybe a striker.

Players at the club that possibly come into contention - Amos, Michael Keane, Powell.

Club also needs to have a think about Will Keane, James Wilson and Henriquez up front, with regards to bringing any new striker in.

Out of interest, why would you get rid of Lindegaard?

bullvine · 11-04-2014 01:14PM

bangkok wrote: »

cant see anyone taking young for 8m... maybe spurs though

Cleverley wont leave, we'll get more for Young than Nani which is bizarre, do well to get anything for Anderson

The_Kew_Tour · 11-04-2014 01:14PM

Nobody can be surprised that we have no hope of getting Kroos.

It was never realistic.

Julez · 11-04-2014 01:15PM

bullvine wrote: »

Cleverley wont leave, we'll get more for Young than Nani which is bizarre, do well to get anything for Anderson

I've said it before and I'll say it again, no one will go near Young with the wages he is on. He'll be here next season.

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