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Wolfe Tones - Late Late Show

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  • #32
    briany
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,093 ✭✭✭✭briany


    That Fintan O' Toole....

    The man comes across here as such a hand wringing nebbish that you could replace his entire argument with "Is chocolate delicious?", him being on the yes side, and he'd still lose.

    The Tones themselves seem like pretty amicable characters and I'm sure they're smart enough to know that what they sing is not exactly a nuanced history of the land they love, but it makes a pretty good income for them and theirs. The story of Ireland is too complex to ever be told in song, however. For that, you would need a documentary mini series, presented by Fergal Keane, and many books besides. The problem is always people who let very cut and dried, black and white notions to shape their perception of history e.g. 'we were all good, they were all evil'. People who don't appreciate historical nuance never take into consideration the era in which something happened, the personal or political motivations for doing so, and dumbed down history like has proved to be an effective tool in drumming up hatred in people, which makes it dangerous.


  • #33
    Muise...
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭Muise...


    briany wrote: »
    That Fintan O' Toole....

    The man comes across here as such a hand wringing nebbish that you could replace his entire argument with "Is chocolate delicious?", him being on the yes side, and he'd still lose.

    The Tones themselves seem like pretty amicable characters and I'm sure they're smart enough to know that what they sing is not exactly a nuanced history of the land they love, but it makes a pretty good income for them and theirs. The story of Ireland is too complex to ever be told in song, however. For that, you would need a documentary mini series, presented by Fergal Keane, and many books besides. The problem is always people who let very cut and dried, black and white notions to shape their perception of history e.g. 'we were all good, they were all evil'. People who don't appreciate historical nuance never take into consideration the era in which something happened, the personal or political motivations for doing so, and dumbed down history like has proved to be an effective tool in drumming up hatred in people, which makes it dangerous.

    I don't agree with you on Fintan O'Toole, but nebbish is such a good word, so I won't argue.

    The bit in bold has me weak laughing though. Sure what would we want a future for when there's all this history to be mined?


  • #34
    orangesoda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,223 ✭✭✭orangesoda


    Cruachan are also wild men for the history but usually you can never understand the lyrics for them to cause offence to anyone

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IylxDpIh53A


  • #35
    Muise...
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭Muise...


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7sheFnX0PU


  • #36
    nlgbbbblth
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,668 ✭✭✭nlgbbbblth


    and another politically-motivated classic from Ding Dong

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHHZ6ed_eco


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  • #37
    Femme_Fatale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,628 ✭✭✭Femme_Fatale


    Muise... wrote: »
    Would someone please decommission that font? :eek:

    Wolfe Tones on the Late Late would have had my granny in an almighty fit. "Glorified gurriers" she called them.
    My gran loves them. I think the political angle may go over her head. :)


  • #38
    orangesoda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,223 ✭✭✭orangesoda


    I think this is what most people would view as the typical Wolfe Tones fan, feg in one hand, fleg in the other.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dV4mSdpcMb4&t=2m52s


  • #39
    dd972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,563 ✭✭✭dd972


    Apparently someone once got attacked at a WT gig for unfurling the 9 County Ulster flag as it had the Red Hand on it.


  • #40
    dundalkfc10
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    dd972 wrote: »
    Apparently someone once got attacked at a WT gig for unfurling the 9 County Ulster flag as it had the Red Hand on it.

    :rolleyes:


  • #41
    orangesoda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,223 ✭✭✭orangesoda


    dd972 wrote: »
    Apparently someone once got attacked at a WT gig for unfurling the 9 County Ulster flag as it had the Red Hand on it.

    the original irish tri-colour had a red hand in the middle aparently, the one the french lassies gave


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  • #42
    Sunglasses Ron
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,180 ✭✭✭Sunglasses Ron


    I like my rebel music. But saw them a few years ago and wouldn't bother again. Not the music being the issue as such, I just found the projector screen on stage showing images/ clips of the likes of Bloody Sunday to be very distasteful profiteering considering however much we paid for a ticket and the additional bunce the venue was giving them. the men of 96 would be turning in their grave to see the struggle milked for a few pound.


  • #43
    Rory Gallagher
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 292 ✭✭Rory Gallagher


    I feel they have entertaining and fun songs in they're catalogue such as ''The Helicopter Song'' which does work as good satire with all romanticisation of the provo's aside.

    But ah lads this tune here is absolutely astonishing in lyric and performance.



    I lost touch with them when I was in a party down in Limerick over the week and whatever song goes 'ooh ah up the ra' was sang around 20 times,Sweet Jesus I felt scared.

    Anyways most rebel songs make me think of this.(The late great Dermot Morgan and no its not My Lovely Horse)



  • #44
    WilyCoyote
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,059 ✭✭✭WilyCoyote


    The Backwards Man wrote: »
    Rabble rousing tripe designed to wind up drunk young wans into thinking they are fighting for Ireland whilst wrecking their own towns played by cowardly dinosaurs who would sh1te themselves if they saw a bullpup pointed at them.

    It's easy being a freedom fighter in a hotel ballroom in Kerry.

    And you're idea of a Patriotic sing song? The Sash? Or The Famine Song?

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/culture/jmacmillan/100052373/is-it-now-officially-ok-to-sing-anti-irish-anti-catholic-hate-songs-in-scottish-football-stadiums/


  • #45
    The Backwards Man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,299 ✭✭✭✭The Backwards Man


    WilyCoyote wrote: »
    And you're idea of a Patriotic sing song? The Sash? Or The Famine Song?

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/culture/jmacmillan/100052373/is-it-now-officially-ok-to-sing-anti-irish-anti-catholic-hate-songs-in-scottish-football-stadiums/
    My idea would be to put anyone who is a fan any such sh1te from either side onto a deserted island and let them annihilate each other and the world would be a better place. :)


  • #46
    WilyCoyote
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,059 ✭✭✭WilyCoyote


    Very interesting Desert Island Discs programme, that.


  • #47
    orangesoda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,223 ✭✭✭orangesoda


    Maybe The Backwards Man would prefer some good ulster folk metal

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuQnIbXf5DA


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