Season 4 Finale - Episode 16 - "A" [AMC] [SPOILERS]

Also Starring LeVar Burton wrote: »

There really is no pleasing some people... Closure in a Season finale when you know 100% it's coming back for another season is the last thing anyone should want... Find it hard to believe that people were expecting everything to be tied up nicely with a bow on top - should you not want something to look forward to next season?

^This. Unless the series is finishing up a few unanswered questions from the previous season is a must, we need a little something that will give us a thirst for what happens next!

*N.B. All of the stuff in spoilers are from the comics, read at your own risk if you haven't read them, actually read the comics, they're great! :P*

I really liked this episodes, and thought it was a very decent (not quite great, but very good) season finale, way better in comparison to season 3, almost on par with season 2's finale. I loved the scenes that were taken almost directly from the comic book , and the whole "there's something kinda wrong with Terminus" thing could have been dragged out for AAAAGES a la Woodbury, glad they nipped that in the bud nice and fast!

Hoping it's not Beth on the BBQ, as much as she's not my favourite remaining character by a long shot and I recognise that her days are numbered, I'd like to see her have a more substantial death than that! Carol and Tyreese are my bet to help save the day, thus redeeming Carol and allowing her to re-join the group with relative ease, and reuniting the Grimes family in one swift move.

On a whole I was happy this season, while the character development episodes were a tad slow, and in fairness they could have tightened all that into less episodes, but I feel that it's really setting us up nicely for season five. At this point I'd be pretty upset if any of the current group died, which I think is probably the first time that's happened in the series!!
I also loved how they managed to pull of some of the more memorable, grislier moments from the comics , and we've been giving a lot of potential directions for the group to take now (Escaping/ defeating the Terminus crew, going to Washington with Abraham and Co., attempting to restart their own community again), so overall I'm very happy with how this season ended, 8/10!

Brilliant episode, and those snipers weren't trying to hit them, they were funnelling them ! Yea was great i liked how it turned out with that gang, it was insane and i didnt think their was going to be that many people at terminus and loved how they didnt just like in the front like a bunch of morons. MILLHOUSE was back. amagawd.

And compared the end of the last season im now excited for the next one.

Superb episode, full of drama and tension. The forest scene was breathtaking. Not for one second did I believe Rick, Carl, Daryl or Michonne was going to die but that didn't stop my little heart from thumping like mad! I think Rick responded the way any father would have given what had just taken place. But it was still incredible to hear him finish off Carl's attacker offscreen. They didn't hold back that's for sure.

The moments before they walked into the trailer was so tense. As for the 'bad shooting' comments from earlier, do people not pay attention to anything anymore? Not only did they go to the trouble of showing one of the snipers aiming away from the gang but Rick even said it!

As far as the ending, it was a bit of a cheesy line to finish it up with but it was just good to get most of them back together.

Anyway, great episode to round off a great season. Definitely as good as season 1, which was less than half the number of episodes anyway. As a fan of the comics it's great to see them bring stuff in to the show but keep it fresh so that we still don't know what to expect. I thought the mid-season break was long but this is going to be a killer!

I'll be slightly annoyed if Beth is already dead at the hands of Terminus.
It doesn't really fit their MO (from what we've seen) to send out a car to take one person with a stick, when they could have gotten two people with the carrot.
But I'm guessing it would serve as a big shock factor to have one of the main cast eat/nearly eat one of the other members of their group unwillingly. I know it could be said that "maybe nobody arrived recently and they were forced to send out a hunting party", but that's a bit convenient given we've come across two new parties and a good few stragglers here'n'there just since the the prison fell apart.

Carol and Tyreese saving the day would be nothing short of ridiculous, hopefully they find a better way to advance the story.

It was a good string of episodes. I'm looking forward to seeing what Abraham offers to the group (hopefully it's more than just a main course). He's slightly one-tracked, but has an authority that aside from a beastly Rick, isn't present in the group.

^It's GLENN!!!!

Glenn, Glenn, Glenn, Glenn... Not Glynn, Glenn!

Say it with me now... Glenn

Paddy Cow wrote: »

They weren't undetected. After last week's show people were commenting on how stupid it was that Glynn's group could just walk in. The fence was flimsy and there seemed to be no one on guard for walkers. At the prison there were always walkers coming up to the fence but Terminus was eerily quite.

After this week's episode it's safe to say that this was just a ploy to trick new comers. Get them in, surround them and over power them. When the guy said to Rick's group something like "well such and such must've been on perimeter duty" it was to trick them into believing their security was lax, when in actual fact they knew all along.

The goal of Terminus is to get healthy people into the cargo containers. They don't want to spook the new comers too soon and risk spoiling a good meal.

Good point, I didn't really look at it that way, Naivety 1, Giggii 0 :P
I still think they will have someone show up last minute though, it would ridiculous if the season 5 première was based on the remaining members of the group just shouwing up and ending up in the carriage too!
The group that took Beth could have a role to play in the exodus from terminus of course, we still have no indication as to whether they're the good guys or the bad guys (of course, grabbing a teenage girl and loading her into the back of a car would suggest the latter...). I'd love it if it were that got her, but I think that they'd be jumping the gun just a tad by introducing them...

Washout wrote: »

It has really left me anticipating the next episode which is 7 bloodless months away

Not entirely true if you watch game of thrones too

Unlike previous episodes I enjoyed that. Some particularly gruesome scenes with Rick. Put it on the back burner now with Game Of Thrones to look forward to

Paddy Cow wrote: »

I haven't read the comics but I have been tempted to look at some spoilers so I do know

there is another group called The Saviours. What their intentions are, I haven't a clue.

I stopped reading comic spoilers as I don't want to become a case of "curiosity killed the cat" or in my case "impatience ruins the show". I know that the show deviates from the comics but you cannot always predict when it will happen so while

I don't want to find out too much about the saviours, I am very intrigued about these Saviours and what their role will be.

They said at Terminus that they have existed since almost the beginning and while they clearly have issues, they have no need to lie to people they are about to eat

While I know nearly nothing about the Saviours, isn't it possible that they saved Beth thinking that Daryl was one of the Terminus abominations? If there really is another group called The Saviors in the vicinity of Terminus and if they are organised enough to kidnap Beth, they must've been around long enough to know what Terminus is.

While I wasn't overly impressed with the way season 4 turned out (I still argue that season 4 could've been condensed into a half season), I haven't given up on the show and hopefully season 5 will pick up the pace again. I don't think Rick's group can escape without outside help. They really are royally screwed. If they manage to escape the container, they are covered on every street by snipers who I'm sure will have a "shoot to neutralise (so we can still eat them order)" order on new comers trying to leave their new quarters.

So I guess my conundrum is that unless I read the comics I won't know what the future holds

ie will The Saviours live up to their name?

but I guess I'll have to wait.

I feel like I should include the meme of the woman with first world problems here. I want to know what is going to happen but at the same time I don't :rolleyes: I have such problems!

Even if you read the comics, you won't know for sure how it's going to go down on the show, which is one of my favourite things about TWD, on a whole they're following a very similar storyline but they've made alterations that certainly have made the show more interesting. They've introduced several characters that have become strong fan favourites (to the point that I believe Kirkman was considering adding Daryl to comics, I don't know if this is still the case but I'd certainly like to see that, killed off characters on the show that are still going strong on print, and vice versa. There are one or two threads on comparing the comics and speculation based on the comics so I won't say much more about that here, but it's safe to say that if you read the comics you will get an idea of what is to come (and if done right it's gonna be good) but you're not going to have 100% of what's going to go down, they are very much inclined to mix it up!

Cork boy 55 wrote: »

Anyone know of any significance to the names written on the floor in the room Rick and company run through when being trapped through Terminus?

I'd imagine that that was some sort of grim memorial to the people that they've cannibalised in the past, there seems to be a token from each person present on or next to most of the names, and the whole "we look after ourselves first" (I'm paraphrasing here) thing written on the wall suggests that these people were not part of the original Terminus crew. It's almost a sign of remorse, where they're honouring and memorialising the dead (to a certain extent) who they have used to maintain their own survival. The whole place gave me the heebeejeebies!

How many series are we looking at until a conclusion?

Good episode but I did kind of have a "Is that it?" feeling when the credits rolled. Episode seemed to go by quickly, I thought there was another 5-10 minutes remaining and we were going to get some sort of outline of an escape plan (or some heist movie style montage with Rick revealing a key hidden under his tongue in classic Hannibal coolness). Nonetheless, it was easily my favourite episode this half season and has me looking forward to October.

Glad the group have been mostly reunited, the split was useful for development of some characters but lent itself to a few too many sub par episodes.


Cannibal sanctuary was pretty much confirmed when Michonne asked why they let people in.

"More people become a part of us, we get stronger. That's why we put up the signs, to invite people in, it's how we survive."

As well as the cell of skeletal remains shown later.