Would you support the reintroduction of the death penalty?

end of the road · 29-03-2014 07:00PM

shroom007 wrote: »

He did what he did because the state failed him and failed to deal with the age ole problem of Travellers theiving conning people in rural areas

no, he did it because the man was a traveler and he knew he could tell a sob story and he would get large support from those who know him and many in this country including those who show contempt for all travelers because of the actions of some, the state were and are dealing with traveler gangs it will just take time to get evidence together, nally wasn't failed at all, he thought he could take the law into his own hands and tell a sob story, it worked because people are afraid to stand up and say whats right and wrong, well i'm not, and nally the low rent vermin was wrong as far as i'm concerned.

shroom007 wrote: »

Ward would still be alive if he had'nt been there "on the rob"

i doubt he was on the rob, that was a sob story made up.

shroom007 wrote: »

tough ****

not at all

shroom007 wrote: »

and good riddance

not at all.

shroom007 wrote: »

support for the death penalty would probably be a lot lower if we had more robust sentencing and proper punishment

which is an even better reason not to bring it in because delusianelests can not be allowed to decide or help decide policy in a country.

Fr. Ned · 29-03-2014 07:13PM

Nally got rid of a piece of scum who most lightly was a leech on our taxes from the day he was born.

How many travellers actually contribute anything to our country?

Take take take.......

chessman · 29-03-2014 07:19PM

**Vai** wrote: »

Seems a good way to cull the human population....I'm in!

I don't think there is a better punishment for murder, rape or child abuse.

bang on the button

end of the road · 29-03-2014 07:31PM

Fr. Ned wrote: »

Nally got rid of a piece of scum who most lightly was a leech on our taxes from the day he was born.

How many travellers actually contribute anything to our country?

Take take take.......

take take take isn't unique to travelers, its rife within ireland (and britain)

Mr Williams · 30-03-2014 12:00AM

Fr. Ned wrote: »

If you think that Padraig Nally is a danger to society then you know nothing about the man.

It's the do good brigade that allow thugs to roam this country terrorising people.

Thankfully, because of the Nally case, we now have the legal protection to protect our homes from these thugs.

The only people who dont support Padraig Nally are the human rights brigade.

The fact that he was arrested in the first place shows what a joke the irish justice system is.

Mr Williams · 30-03-2014 12:06AM

mrsbyrne wrote: »

So, please tell us EOTR, you wake at 5am to find a stranger walking down the stairs with your 5year old in his arms, how do you react?
(This happened near to my home, the perp went on to murder savagely after being released on bail)

If one of those sex beasts broke into my house I'd blow their head off.

end of the road · 30-03-2014 01:54AM

Mr Williams wrote: »

The only people who dont support Padraig Nally are the human rights brigade.

wrong, people have human rights including you, get over it

Mr Williams wrote: »

The fact that he was arrested in the first place shows what a joke the irish justice system is.

no it doesn't, he had to be arrested as its on him to prove he was "defending" his property or himself, rightly so and that is how it should be, just because one says their "defending" themselves and their property doesn't mean that was actually the case, which in nally's case i don't believe he was.

Mr Williams · 30-03-2014 01:59AM

The criteria I would use for the death penalty is that if somebody has committed a crime so horrific they can not be put in a normal prison then they deserve the death penalty.

Like child sex beasts most people would agree that these animals should be put down.

Mr Williams · 30-03-2014 02:07AM

end of the road wrote: »

wrong, people have human rights including you, get over it

no it doesn't, he had to be arrested as its on him to prove he was "defending" his property or himself, rightly so and that is how it should be, just because one says their "defending" themselves and their property doesn't mean that was actually the case, which in nally's case i don't believe he was.

So your now the judge in the nally case ?

The gardas would of known it was a scumbag criminal on his land you didnt need be einstein to realise nally was the innocent victim. There would be none of this **** in america he would not of been arrested over there.

I think nally should sue the gardas for wrongful arrest. He was simlpy a home owner defending himself. Its like if a scumbag comes up to you on the street and hits you in the face then you hit them back are you now a criminal ?

end of the road · 30-03-2014 02:33AM

Mr Williams wrote: »

The gardas would of known it was a scumbag criminal on his land

doesn't matter, he had to be arrested and charged.

Mr Williams wrote: »

you didnt need be einstein to realise nally was the innocent victim.

he wasn't an "innocent victim"

Mr Williams wrote: »

There would be none of this **** in america he would not of been arrested over there.

and that is the problem, wonder how many people told of how they were "defending" themselves when actually they weren't and it was infact a "revenge" killing?

Mr Williams wrote: »

I think nally should sue the gardas for wrongful arrest.

he wouldn't have a case, the guards were doing their job.

Mr Williams wrote: »

He was simply a home owner defending himself.

not at all, cold blooded murderer who got lucky

osarusan · 30-03-2014 02:39AM

Again, the Nally case has no connection to any debate on the death penalty.

MrPudding · 30-03-2014 04:02PM

Mr Williams wrote: »

The only people who dont support Padraig Nally are the human rights brigade.

The fact that he was arrested in the first place shows what a joke the irish justice system is.

I like the way you use the term "human rights brigade" as if it is some kind of insult or slight.

MrP

silverbolt · 30-03-2014 04:33PM

Mr Williams wrote: »

The only people who dont support Padraig Nally are the human rights brigade.

The fact that he was arrested in the first place shows what a joke the irish justice system is.

He killed a man. That is something the Guards can not ignore.

Mr Williams wrote: »

So your now the judge in the nally case ?

The gardas would of known it was a scumbag criminal on his land you didnt need be einstein to realise nally was the innocent victim. There would be none of this **** in america he would not of been arrested over there.

I think nally should sue the gardas for wrongful arrest. He was simlpy a home owner defending himself. Its like if a scumbag comes up to you on the street and hits you in the face then you hit them back are you now a criminal ?

He shot him a second time (after already beating him with a stick) when Ward was leaving the property. Regardless of his reasons or who the offender was Nally did not have the right to commit murder once the threat had ended.

And sueing the guards for wrongful arrest? He KILLED a man, the situation demanded he be arrested. It doesnt matter that Ward was a traveller, or that he was already a convicted felon Nally killed someone. There was no wrongful arrest.

Jumboman · 30-03-2014 04:44PM

silverbolt wrote: »

He killed a man. That is something the Guards can not ignore.

He shot him a second time (after already beating him with a stick) when Ward was leaving the property. Regardless of his reasons or who the offender was Nally did not have the right to commit murder once the threat had ended.

And sueing the guards for wrongful arrest? He KILLED a man, the situation demanded he be arrested. It doesnt matter that Ward was a traveller, or that he was already a convicted felon Nally killed someone. There was no wrongful arrest.

Mr Nally was cleared of any wrong doing so I think he would have a case to sue the gardas.

Its political correctness gone mad gone mad when you can be arrested simply for defending your self.

Piliger · 30-03-2014 04:50PM

Jumboman wrote: »

Mr Nally was cleared of any wrong doing so I think he would have a case to sue the gardas.

Its political correctness gone mad gone mad when you can be arrested simply for defending your self.

He was a hero.

Billy86 · 30-03-2014 05:29PM

Jumboman wrote: »

Mr Nally was cleared of any wrong doing so I think he would have a case to sue the gardas.

Its political correctness gone mad gone mad when you can be arrested simply for defending your self.

Its political correctness one mad when you can sue the police for after not being found guilty. Even if there ad been a hypothetical shootout between him & Ward going on, by default he had to be arrested (and would be petty much anywhere in the world) over shooting someone to death.

But as as been said, Nally as nothing to do with the death sentence argument either way. Apart from the fact that he would have been sentenced to death and long one by now due to the lack of an appeals process, had the pro death sentence crowd had their way, as he was originally found guilty. :pac:

Amirani · 30-03-2014 05:40PM

Mr Williams wrote: »

Like child sex beasts most people would agree that these animals should be put down.

Except "most people" voted to make its use unconstitutional, regardless of circumstance. Fair enough if you want to argue your point, but plain lies and hyperbole you continue to introduce to the debate is pointless.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 30-03-2014 07:14PM

Jumboman wrote: »

Mr Nally was cleared of any wrong doing so I think he would have a case to sue the gardas.

Its political correctness gone mad gone mad when you can be arrested simply for defending your self.

You're not seriously suggesting you can kill someone and NOT be arrested? At least until the motives have been determined?

In any case, death penalty or no, there is no jurisdiction on the planet - not even the extremist Christian Right in Texas or Shria fundamentalism in the Middle East - that has a law allowing the private citizen to hand down or execute a death sentence after the threat to live had passed.

Okay, maybe Somalia, but do you really want anarchy?

Hitchens · 30-03-2014 07:27PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

In any case, death penalty or no, there is no jurisdiction on the planet - not even the extremist Christian Right in Texas or Shria fundamentalism in the Middle East - that has a law allowing the private citizen to hand down or execute a death sentence after the threat to live had passed.

Hi there Princess

Henry Goedrich Magee is an interesting case concerning the above.

Jumboman · 30-03-2014 08:00PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

You're not seriously suggesting you can kill someone and NOT be arrested? At least until the motives have been determined?

In any case, death penalty or no, there is no jurisdiction on the planet - not even the extremist Christian Right in Texas or Shria fundamentalism in the Middle East - that has a law allowing the private citizen to hand down or execute a death sentence after the threat to live had passed.

Okay, maybe Somalia, but do you really want anarchy?

Under the stand your ground law in america you have a right to use lethal force against a burglar.

George Zimmerman was only arrested after the PC crowd in amercia kicked up a fuss.

Mr Zimmerman was also cleared of any wrong doing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stand-your-ground_law

wp_rathead · 30-03-2014 08:04PM

Jumboman wrote: »

Under the stand your ground law in america you have a right to use lethal force against a burglar.

George Zimmerman was only arrested after the PC crowd in amercia kicked up a fuss.

Mr Zimmerman was also cleared of any wrong doing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stand-your-ground_law

He killed someone
He was always going to be arrested ffs

Piliger · 30-03-2014 08:07PM

NiallSparky wrote: »

Except "most people" voted to make its use unconstitutional, regardless of circumstance. Fair enough if you want to argue your point, but plain lies and hyperbole you continue to introduce to the debate is pointless.

The great majority don't believe in the death penalty for any crime. It's called civilisation.

catallus · 30-03-2014 08:09PM

Piliger wrote: »

It's called civilisation.

No it's called moral blindness to the pain inflicted by murderers rapists and thieves.

Artful_Badger · 30-03-2014 08:11PM

catallus wrote: »

No it's called moral blindness to the pain inflicted by murderers rapists and thieves.

You think rapists and thieves should all be executed ?

MrPudding · 30-03-2014 08:13PM

Piliger wrote: »

He was a hero.

Piliger wrote: »

The great majority don't believe in the death penalty for any crime. It's called civilisation.

In civilisation, or at least any version of it i want to be in, a person that beats a man in the region of 20 times with a stick, shoots him, and then, after the man has fled the property and is limping away, shots him again, this time fatally, is not a hero.

MrP

catallus · 30-03-2014 08:13PM

Artful_Badger wrote: »

You think rapists and thieves should all be executed ?

Yeah. You don't?

Artful_Badger · 30-03-2014 08:14PM

catallus wrote: »

Yeah. You don't?

No.

catallus · 30-03-2014 08:27PM

Artful_Badger wrote: »

No.

Ok.

Artful_Badger · 30-03-2014 08:30PM

catallus wrote: »

Ok.

Well, see ya then.

catallus · 30-03-2014 08:31PM

See ya

Would you support the reintroduction of the death penalty?

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