Malaysia Airlines flight MH370-Updates and Discussion

billie1b · 29-03-2014 04:55PM

wolfeye wrote: »

I'm no expert either but the fire could just burn itself out after a certain period and /or be just be smouldering away causing fumes and smoke to render crew and passengers unconcious.
Maybe the planes change in directions was the pilot going in and out of unconsciousness.
Who knows?.

You'd never know, it really is just a mystery at this stage

Savman · 29-03-2014 06:19PM

Seems plausible that it could have been a botched hijacking. Obviously we can't rule out Pilot suicide but the Captain had a flawless record and had been flying with them for 30 odd years.

So one day he turns up to work and decides to crash a jet? Sorry, not buying that theory without some solid evidence.

Being shot down + subsequent cover up is not beyond the realms of possibility I suppose and I do think there was a lot more to the story than they were disclosing.

K.Flyer · 29-03-2014 07:16PM

Savman wrote: »

......
Being shot down + subsequent cover up is not beyond the realms of possibility. ..

Whilst not beyond the realms of possibility, you would have to look at the most likely areas that would have any reason for doing so. This would have left a significant debris field that should have been located before now.
A thought crossed my mind on the suicide theory.
What of it was the case, and the pilot tried to put the plane down on the water in one piece, then just let it sink. Very little or no debris left behind and no idea where to look for it.

Mountainsandh · 29-03-2014 09:01PM

According to knowledgeable people on here there is hardly any chance of achieving that with a wide bodied aircraft on the sea.

LordSutch · 29-03-2014 09:40PM

Can't help thinking about those initial Chinese satellite pics from the south China sea.

What were they?

Tenger · 29-03-2014 10:21PM

LordSutch wrote: »

Can't help thinking about those initial Chinese satellite pics from the south China sea.

What were they?

The oceans are full of detritus and rubbish from 1000's of ships that travel through them every day. South China Seas being one of the busiest sea areas on the planet.

Compare that with the current search area.....only 1 ship anywhere near it. Its a desolate deserted piece of the planet......not even on way to anywhere.

pfurey101 · 29-03-2014 10:29PM

Seems plausible that no one has a clue about what happened.

pfurey101 · 29-03-2014 10:33PM

Oh sweet jaysus - this is what the public are up against with the twats from CNN, Fox, Sky etc.

Mind you it's probably the only accuarate thing that they ever reported :cool:

sopretty · 29-03-2014 10:38PM

Lol! I'm a bit thick, but even that sounds eh....... obvious..... to me!

seal57 · 29-03-2014 10:59PM

48 hrs

Growler!!! · 29-03-2014 11:02PM

seal57 wrote: »

48 hrs

Context?

sopretty · 29-03-2014 11:16PM

seal57 wrote: »

48 hrs

Is it a film?

A book?

Mountainsandh · 29-03-2014 11:31PM

seal57 wrote: »

48 hrs

http://youtu.be/5JSCbEKsguQ

I'm wondering about the initial satellite images too. I've spent a good bit of time on Tomnod, and I came across one of these maps they show quick shots of on CNN etc... a map that was full of ... some things. If it was rubbish, it was pretty localized. In other maps from remote areas, you come across a few things you think might be debris here and there, but there were one or two maps that had more obvious anomalies.

edit : I think the images I'm talking about were not the South China sea actually, I think it was South of the Maldives, or even in the initial remote search area West of Australia.

Neeson · 30-03-2014 02:23AM

aliveandkicking wrote: »

Apologies for the off topic post but just want to say it irritates me greatly that the gobsh1te quoted above is still allowed to troll this thread and have a joke at the expense of 239 people's lives.

Cool. You're some gobsh1te. If you are allowed to call me one I'll call you one too! :pac:

warren44 · 30-03-2014 02:48AM

Mountainsandh wrote: »

http://youtu.be/5JSCbEKsguQ

I'm wondering about the initial satellite images too. I've spent a good bit of time on Tomnod, and I came across one of these maps they show quick shots of on CNN etc... a map that was full of ... some things. If it was rubbish, it was pretty localized. In other maps from remote areas, you come across a few things you think might be debris here and there, but there were one or two maps that had more obvious anomalies.

edit : I think the images I'm talking about were not the South China sea actually, I think it was South of the Maldives, or even in the initial remote search area West of Australia.

The oceans are polluted and full of garbage. There is still trash floating around out there from the last tsunami. Those images could have been anything. The last image turned out to be a whale. They arent going to find anything because the plane isnt in the water.

irishmover · 30-03-2014 02:57AM

Neeson wrote: »

Cool. You're some gobsh1te. If you are allowed to call me one I'll call you one too! :pac:

You can call him a gobsh1te but doesn't mean it's true.

Neeson · 30-03-2014 03:31AM

irishmover wrote: »

You can call him a gobsh1te but doesn't mean it's true.

This is true.

But anyway I people may think I don't care. I do care. I hope they are found safe and well.

Wanderer2010 · 30-03-2014 08:15AM

Why is it taking so long to get to these big debris fields reported over the last few days? We had a report about over a hundred objects then another with over three hundred and then nothing more was said about that. It seems some of the objects are just typical ocean rubbish and as of now not one definite item I'm the plane has been recovered.

I'm starting to think that the plane didn't even go down in the ocean or if it did every thing went down in one solid piece and nothing floated would this be possible? With all the ships and planes in this new area which takes less time to travel to they should have reached the debris fields by now and calculated it's possible location it's bizzare that they keep drawing a blank day after day...

lord lucan · 30-03-2014 08:43AM

Anymore personal abuse or name calling and this thread is getting locked. Please heed the Mod note in the 1st post.

stampydmonkey · 30-03-2014 10:08AM

lord lucan wrote: »

Anymore personal abuse or name calling and this thread is getting locked. Please heed the Mod note in the 1st post.

Just lock it anyway

mickmackey1 · 30-03-2014 11:10AM

lord lucan wrote: »

Anymore personal abuse or name calling and this thread is getting locked. Please heed the Mod note in the 1st post.

Why lock the thread over a few trolls? Just ban them and let the rest of us get on with it.

Tenger · 30-03-2014 12:22PM

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

Why is it taking so long to get to these big debris fields reported over the last few days?............... It seems some of the objects are just typical ocean rubbish and as of now not one definite item I'm the plane has been recovered.

............ With all the ships and planes in this new area .............it's bizzare that they keep drawing a blank day after day...

Only 2 ships in the area.....approx a dozen others enroute. Objects spotted from fast moving aircraft are difficult to locate from a vessel on rough seas. It all comes down to guys with binocs manning the gunwhales.

andy_g · 30-03-2014 05:45PM

stampydmonkey wrote: »

Just lock it anyway

mickmackey1 wrote: »

Why lock the thread over a few trolls? Just ban them and let the rest of us get on with it.

As per boards policy co not question a mod decision on thread, if you have a problem with the decision pm the mod in question.

Mountainsandh · 30-03-2014 09:50PM

According to CNN, at least 4 "large" objects spotted today (more than 6ft).

It is pretty unsettling how the Chinese victims' families seem mostly convinced this is a cover up and their loved ones are being held somewhere. I know it might just be an expression of deep denial, and anger is raging but... do they have a perspective we don't ? In their context, as Chinese citizens, does the hijacking/plane snapping theory make a lot more sense, especially in light of recent terrorist attacks ?
Nobody knows much, but they know more than we do. I can't help but wonder are they delusional, or ...

Video on CNN right now about the Chinese families, with their banners.

http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/world/2014/03/30/lklv-hancocks-families-arrive-in-malaysia.cnn.html

30-03-2014 10:05PM

One thing I'd agree with that was said in that piece was that they were wrong to announce on March 24th that the plane had definitely crashed in the southern Indian Ocean. They could have said the satellite data suggested the plane went in that direction but until evidence is found it couldn't be confirmed.

Just makes it so much harder for the families. I can see why they are getting mighty pissed off, I would too. Its a shambles from the Malaysians.

Synode · 30-03-2014 10:21PM

sully2010 wrote: »

One thing I'd agree with that was said in that piece was that they were wrong to announce on March 24th that the plane had definitely crashed in the southern Indian Ocean. They could have said the satellite data suggested the plane went in that direction but until evidence is found it couldn't be confirmed.

Just makes it so much harder for the families. I can see why they are getting mighty pissed off, I would too. Its a shambles from the Malaysians.

I'm not 100% sure but did they not say they had to accept that all the evidence was pointing to a crash in the Indian Ocean i.e. they didn't say it had definitely crashed

Mountainsandh · 30-03-2014 10:21PM

Yes, it's nearly nonsensical to officially announce and declare a crash on what are just probabilities and statistics really.

Mountainsandh · 30-03-2014 10:29PM

The text of the Prime Minister's statement is here
https://ph.news.yahoo.com/malaysia-prime-minister-najib-razak-s-press-statement-on-mh370-142900120.html

It's pretty affirmative :

Based on their new analysis, Inmarsat and the AAIB have concluded that MH370 flew along the southern corridor, and that its last position was in the middle of the Indian Ocean, west of Perth.

This is a remote location, far from any possible landing sites. It is therefore with deep sadness and regret that I must inform you that, according to this new data, flight MH370 ended in the southern Indian Ocean.

The text sent to families said :

“Malaysia Airlines deeply regrets that we have to assume beyond any reasonable doubt that MH370 has been lost and that none of those on board survived.”

"assume beyond reasonable doubt" ... a conflicting phrase to be using.

wil · 30-03-2014 10:46PM

Back to ask a few qxs

At some point early on it was "suggested" that the plane descended to 12000 ft or somesuch.
Is it possible for crew to access cargo hold?
At that height, is it possible to open any doors, eg in an attempt to jettison cargo say if there was burning items in there?
Would it be possible to parachute with the remotest chance from a 777 at this height?
Do they carry any parachutes on board?

Don't think these questions have been posed on here.

Colser · 30-03-2014 10:51PM

Mountainsandh wrote: »

The text of the Prime Minister's statement is here
https://ph.news.yahoo.com/malaysia-prime-minister-najib-razak-s-press-statement-on-mh370-142900120.html

It's pretty affirmative :

The text sent to families said :

"assume beyond reasonable doubt" ... a conflicting phrase to be using.

That to me is a presumption rather than a statement.I think it would be better if they just said that they really are as perplexed as everyone else,no point in trying to fob people off with vague statements especially the relatives.It really is an unprecendented incident and I think that people would accept an honest statement that while the above may be what occurred the reality is that there is no definite /concrete evidence to confirm it at the moment.

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