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Gym Culture, Bodybuilding and Eating Disorders

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,808 ✭✭✭Stained Class


    I'm not sure what you mean when you say "gone south", but generally atrophy would imply that the body has begun to break down the muscle.

    When someone fails to exercise for a long period time they tend to experience muscle loss, as the body begins to pretty much ditch what it considers to be an unnecessary drain of energy - unutilised muscle mass.

    This can, however, be slowed down a bit when you continue to eat a high calorie and high protein diet. But, as you would expect when an inactive person consumes a high calorie diet, they are pretty much guaranteed to put on some fat. So in that sense, yeah, the progress they've made has "gone south" in some respects. But it's not lost!

    Also, you say you couldn't bulk up significantly when you went to the gym? Do you think you were eating enough at the time to allow for muscle growth?


    I was just out of my teens at the time!

    I would have eaten the side-wall of a house at any given time of any given day.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,808 ✭✭✭Stained Class


    Aren't they just actors on tv?


    I tend to watch News & documentry programmes.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25 Christy92


    To be honest, a lot of the calorie and point counting is done by those trying to loose weight in an endless cycle of one diet after another, with failure after failure. Instead of making a conscious decision to change their lifestyles permanently.

    As mentioned above, being fit or into bodybuilding doesn't mean ruining your social life or nitpicking at menus. Its about consistency and persistence at training, and some basic will power and common sense when it comes to nutrition.

    If you trained or weight lifted consistently for just 45 minutes 4 times a week with even just 4 balanced healthy meals on those days and relatively healthy the others, you'd be in fantastic shape in a very short time, with little to no interference or sacrifice to your social life.

    I learned that the hard way, but couldn't have put it any better!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭Stavros Murphy


    I tend to watch News & documentry programmes.

    Sharon Ni Bheolain has a wicked set of pecs.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,808 ✭✭✭Stained Class


    Sharon Ni Bheolain has a wicked set of pecs.

    ..and a nice face too.:):


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭Stavros Murphy


    ..and a nice face too.:):

    I've never noticed.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,916 ✭✭✭shopaholic01


    ..and a nice face too.:):
    Her hair grows at an alarming rate too. Cut into a bob one week, down to her, eh pecs, the next.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,808 ✭✭✭Stained Class


    I've never noticed.

    Ah shure, youre the type that doesn't look at the mantlepiece when you're poking the fire.:D

    All hole is a Goal & all that....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭Stavros Murphy


    Ah shure, youre the type that doesn't look at the mantlepiece when you're poking the fire.:D

    All hole is a Goal & all that....

    That's very sexist. I for one, am drunk.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44 KissMeArse


    Don't think it's a bad thing that more and more people are into fitness/healthy eating.
    I myself have got into weights the last year and really tidied up my diet to the point that I'm in the best shape I've ever been.

    The problem in this country is that the majority of people are just clueless when it comes to nutrition. Great advice over on the Nutrition & Diet/Health & Fitness forums on this site and the one thing everyone will say there is that no matter what you're trying to do with your body (lose weight, gain weight etc), it all comes down to what you put past your lips.
    Too many people fixated on gym/exercise but then having sh!t diets.
    Nearly every school student can be seen guzzling down rolls, chocolate, crisps and coke at lunch time every day and these habits stay with them into adulthood.

    Sitting at lunch table yesterday a fella beside me was wolfing down a KFC (for I'd say the third time this week), saying "gonna do upper body in the gym tonight". No, he's not on a bulk.
    Another time a friend looking for some lunch asked me "hmm what would be healthier McDonald's or KFC? Think subway is the healthiest"

    It just feeds into this perception that people just have no idea when it comes to healthy eating IMO.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭Stavros Murphy


    KissMeArse wrote: »
    Don't think it's a bad thing that more and more people are into fitness/healthy eating.
    I myself have got into weights the last year and really tidied up my diet to the point that I'm in the best shape I've ever been.

    The problem in this country is that the majority of people are just clueless when it comes to nutrition. Great advice over on the Nutrition & Diet/Health & Fitness forums on this site and the one thing everyone will say there is that no matter what you're trying to do with your body (lose weight, gain weight etc), it all comes down to what you put past your lips.
    Too many people fixated on gym/exercise but then having sh!t diets.
    Nearly every school student can be seen guzzling down rolls, chocolate, crisps and coke at lunch time every day and these habits stay with them into adulthood.

    Sitting at lunch table yesterday a fella beside me was wolfing down a KFC (for I'd say the third time this week), saying "gonna do upper body in the gym tonight". No, he's not on a bulk.
    Another time a friend looking for some lunch asked me "hmm what would be healthier McDonald's or KFC? Think subway is the healthiest"

    It just feeds into this perception that people just have no idea when it comes to healthy eating IMO.
    Sadly, you could be hit by a bus tomorrow, and several fat people will look down on your fit, dead ass. I kinda decided to go with the flow these days.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    Sadly, you could be hit by a bus tomorrow, and several fat people will look down on your fit, dead ass. I kinda decided to go with the flow these days.


    it'll be a lovely corpse though:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,105 ✭✭✭beano345


    Was never into lifting weights for vanity reasons,at my best I was fairly ripped,two years in Canada on the noodle diet and not so much as
    Looking at a weight I came back built like a chipstick,only recently started back and the feel good factor from it is amazing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭Stavros Murphy


    beano345 wrote: »
    Was never into lifting weights for vanity reasons,at my best I was fairly ripped,two years in Canada on the noodle diet and not so much as
    Looking at a weight I came back built like a chipstick,only recently started back and the feel good factor from it is amazing.

    Have you tried coffee? Same buzz, waay less effort. And it keeps you skinny.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,808 ✭✭✭Stained Class


    That's very sexist. I for one, am drunk.

    Me too. Into the second bottle already.

    Maybe we should be a superhero duo. The Ageing A-Team?

    Or Bad Cop, Worse Cop, a la Tango & Cash. The best movie ever made!:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,779 ✭✭✭Spunge


    KissMeArse wrote: »
    Don't think it's a bad thing that more and more people are into fitness/healthy eating.
    I myself have got into weights the last year and really tidied up my diet to the point that I'm in the best shape I've ever been.

    The problem in this country is that the majority of people are just clueless when it comes to nutrition. Great advice over on the Nutrition & Diet/Health & Fitness forums on this site and the one thing everyone will say there is that no matter what you're trying to do with your body (lose weight, gain weight etc), it all comes down to what you put past your lips.
    Too many people fixated on gym/exercise but then having sh!t diets.
    Nearly every school student can be seen guzzling down rolls, chocolate, crisps and coke at lunch time every day and these habits stay with them into adulthood.

    Sitting at lunch table yesterday a fella beside me was wolfing down a KFC (for I'd say the third time this week), saying "gonna do upper body in the gym tonight". No, he's not on a bulk.
    Another time a friend looking for some lunch asked me "hmm what would be healthier McDonald's or KFC? Think subway is the healthiest"

    It just feeds into this perception that people just have no idea when it comes to healthy eating IMO.

    I lifted for 3 years.
    year 1, nutritional nazi sugar is bad, fast food is bad, white bread is bad,
    year 2, realise a lot of the info i got about nutrition was overstated or wrong and from poor sources
    year 3, realise its not that important just aim for a certain macronutrient ration and calories, try and dont go crazy on the sugar.

    you can eat fast food and be healthy, and you can cut eating KFC. KFC has pretty good protein to calorie ratio if youre talking about the chicken, even mcdonalds chicken nuggets.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,532 ✭✭✭Lou.m


    I dance , run and go to the gym.

    Years ago in dance eating disorders were huge. A couple of generations down the line we are seeing what they do to the body long term. And the mind. In most ballet classes they have a protocol now for dealing with this issue.

    I know a couple of girls who suffered long term. I still keep in touch a little. Even after recovery their bodies are crumbling now. Nice girls vulnerable though. Very mentally anguished. One girl's bones did not develop properly because her problem started during her teens and now parts of her skeleton are not normal. Many of these people will never have children. It affects the male hormone system too.

    I think the dance world has copped on recently and is trying to change it's culture to FIT.

    Humans are not cattle.


    I am naturally small /slim/skinny whatever you want to call it. Other women are constantly asking 'what do you do?' I used to answer a little bit of this a little of that now I just say ' I think it's because I pray'.

    Some people really hate themselves. It is wrong to take advantage of that. Don't feed it. It is a shame that men are starting to feel pressure now.

    Do something everyday anything you like don't eat junk and eat when you are hungry and stop when you are full.

    Of course I eat a ton of baaaaad carbs.....I don't eat meat.

    It is sad that some people feel they are unlovable unless they look a certain way. The world needs more hugs!

    I think a lot of fitness people like the discipline of simply doing it. That's fine.


    I find it odd the whole diet war thing. It is so obviously fueled by people who want to sell you stuff.


    As for people taking stuff... an older male friend of mine who has been bodybuilding for 18 yrs and looks amazing said it best 'I have always relied on my own testosterone'.

    Everyone is beautiful and you can see personality on the surface.

    Fitness is for health and FUN!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44 KissMeArse


    Spunge wrote: »
    I lifted for 3 years.
    year 1, nutritional nazi sugar is bad, fast food is bad, white bread is bad,
    year 2, realise a lot of the info i got about nutrition was overstated or wrong and from poor sources
    year 3, realise its not that important just aim for a certain macronutrient ration and calories, try and dont go crazy on the sugar.

    you can eat fast food and be healthy, and you can cut eating KFC. KFC has pretty good protein to calorie ratio if youre talking about the chicken, even mcdonalds chicken nuggets.

    Oh definitely, I make sure to have some junk food every week and if I had it my way I'd inhale chocolate morning noon and night! But as previous posters pointed out, everything in moderation.

    What also doesn't help these days is stupid men's magazines with this "get ripped in 6 weeks" sh!te and "take these pills/supplements to lose 10kg in two weeks", I don't know whether to laugh or cry when I see them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,779 ✭✭✭Spunge


    KissMeArse wrote: »
    Oh definitely, I make sure to have some junk food every week and if I had it my way I'd inhale chocolate morning noon and night! But as previous posters pointed out, everything in moderation.

    What also doesn't help these days is stupid men's magazines with this "get ripped in 6 weeks" sh!te and "take these pills/supplements to lose 10kg in two weeks", I don't know whether to laugh or cry when I see them.

    first i read them, then i cried, now i laugh.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,184 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    I lift weights about 3 times a week, used to take mass gainer and casein protein shakes but found they gave me a sick stomach so gave them up.

    I'm not tall so bulking up wouldn't be a good look for me, just lift to stay in reasonable shape and stop the arm and chest muscles getting flabby.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,059 ✭✭✭WilyCoyote


    Links234 wrote: »
    Everything in moderation ;)

    Extreme moderation!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,563 ✭✭✭Adamantium


    I agree about nutrition, I see older people vast amounts of white bread (and bread) in general. My dad drinking the gravy out of the bowl. I literally cringe and will have almost no sympathy ifs what gives him en early death. But nooo to him, reality is optional, or so he thinks.

    The people are convinced subway is healthy are just the worst.
    Why's it healthy.......... well reasons.

    No, it's advertising you fool.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,944 ✭✭✭fedor.2.


    Have you tried coffee? Same buzz, waay less effort. And it keeps you skinny.


    What are you on about?? I think I'm going to start avoiding threads you post in.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭Stavros Murphy


    fedor.2. wrote: »
    What are you on about?? I think I'm going to start avoiding threads you post in.

    You should. You can add me to your long, long list of people to avoid.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    What's more annoying is people who go on some fad diet or simming world/weightwatchers thing since January and are now apparently nutrition experts telling everyone what to avoid, shove your points up your arse.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,779 ✭✭✭Spunge


    krudler wrote: »
    What's more annoying is people who go on some fad diet or simming world/weightwatchers thing since January and are now apparently nutrition experts telling everyone what to avoid, shove your points up your arse.

    I was one of those :(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,301 ✭✭✭Daveysil15


    I work with a fair few Eastern-Europeans & some of them are into bodybuilding.

    Whenever they stop from injury or whatever reason, the weight piles on.

    I sometimes wonder if bodybuilders are trapped in some sort of cycle. Once they start into it, they have to keep going or else it's Fatsville.

    Metabolism plays a factor in this as does the level of physical activity. A lot of soccer players gain weight after they retire, and they wouldn't be anywhere near as big as some of the bodybuilders.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,004 ✭✭✭Nermal




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,116 ✭✭✭RDM_83 again


    I think unfortunately whats happening in Ireland is similar to what has happened in the USA where there decline or shift in the middle ground of 'average' but fairly healthy, towards a either extremely fit/body conscious at one end and those that have given up on looking after themselves at all.

    In terms of practical strength I wonder how useful some of this gym built muscle is having done physical work (continuous but not large individual weights) with guys that are fairly skinny that just never got tired but who would have huge veins instead of bulk.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,030 ✭✭✭✭Cuddlesworth


    Daveysil15 wrote: »
    Metabolism plays a factor in this as does the level of physical activity. A lot of soccer players gain weight after they retire, and they wouldn't be anywhere near as big as some of the bodybuilders.

    But they would have went from burning 3-4k calaries per day with training. They then stop but only tone down the food slightly. When I left my rugby school the amount of lads that went from pure muscle to huge lard sacks in two years was impressive.


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