Judge calls it

reprazant · 28-03-2014 03:23PM

Technically, since he has not been found guilty of the offence, we do not know it actually took place.

Can you state with 100% accuracy that he did break in and threaten the wife with a knife?

Gatling · 28-03-2014 03:29PM

reprazant wrote: »

Technically, since he has not been found guilty of the offence, we do not know it actually took place.

Can you state with 100% accuracy that he did break in and threaten the wife with a knife?

I'll let the court decide that in 6 months ,

Have you reason to suspect he /wasn't /didn't do anything ?

wes · 28-03-2014 03:32PM

Gatling wrote: »

I'll let the court decide that in 6 months ,

Have you reason to suspect he /wasn't /didn't do anything ?

Guilt has be proven not innocence.

As for the Judge, I think any Muslims defendants coming before them, could argue that the Judge has a bias against them, due to these comments. I would expect a Judge to have a bit more cop on, and not making sweeping generalization, that could bring into question there neutrality, when it comes to hearing cases.

reprazant · 28-03-2014 03:34PM

Gatling wrote: »

I'll let the court decide that in 6 months ,

Have you reason to suspect he /wasn't /didn't do anything ?

Nope, I know nothing about the case other than the couple of lines relating to it from that article. I'd hazard at guess that you are the same. I did notice that he pleaded not guilty and that he has not, as of yet, been found guilty.

Gatling · 28-03-2014 03:35PM

wes wrote: »

Guilt has be proven not innocence.

As for the Judge, I think any Muslims defendants coming before them, could argue that the Judge has a bias against them, due to these comments. I would expect a Judge to have a bit more cop on, and not making sweeping generalization, that could bring into question there neutrality, when it comes to hearing cases.

The judge halpin is moving soon, well from tallaght at least promoted to the central criminal Court if I'm correct ,

Personally took more offence over his tallaght remarks and his call for the civil defense to be deployed

Gatling · 28-03-2014 03:38PM

reprazant wrote: »

Nope, I know nothing about the case other than the couple of lines relating to it from that article. I'd hazard at guess that you are the same. I did notice that he pleaded not guilty and that he has not, as of yet, been found guilty.

That's my reason for posting a poster on here claimed he didn't do anything ,
And yes he hasn't been found guilty or other /the case is back in court in 6 months let's come back to it then

osarusan · 28-03-2014 03:43PM

Sunglasses Ron wrote: »

Why the f'uck would I care if some Spanish judge spoke the truth about it?

If the Spanish judge said that it seemed like all the Irish up in court were drunken violent louts, he'd be right.

If he thought that he could extrapolate from his experience that Irish in general were drunken violent louts, would he be right?

Sunglasses Ron wrote: »

As said, if someone can audit the judge and his cases and show he is talking crap, sack him by all means.

Any audit is unnecessary, as he didn't say that his statement was limited to people in his courtroom. Instead he made a generalisation.

wes · 28-03-2014 03:47PM

Gatling wrote: »

The judge halpin is moving soon, well from tallaght at least promoted to the central criminal Court if I'm correct ,

Personally took more offence over his tallaght remarks and his call for the civil defense to be deployed

So, the Judge has a history of saying outrageous things, which then make this latest one worse imho. So looks like some other could also claim bias against them. I would expect far better of a Judge. Perhaps its time for him to retire, if he keeps up with this carry on.

Gatling · 28-03-2014 04:02PM

wes wrote: »

So, the Judge has a history of saying outrageous things, which then make this latest one worse imho. So looks like some other could also claim bias against them. I would expect far better of a Judge. Perhaps its time for him to retire, if he keeps up with this carry on.

I'd be more worried about judges who can't seem or willing to give out a sentence for serious offences ,
Than one who does an impression of prince Philip

Nodin · 28-03-2014 04:12PM

Cian92 wrote: »

.............

Judge Anthony Halpin seems to have a better grasp of reality than most Judges, Earlier in the year he said there was 'a total breakdown of social order' in Tallaght.

Yep. Worse than Somalia. The UN will be sending peacekeepers around May.

Gatling · 28-03-2014 04:33PM

Nodin wrote: »

Yep. Worse than Somalia. The UN will be sending peacekeepers around May.

Some tallaforians have officially requested help from mr Putin and his merry army

Hitchens · 28-03-2014 05:00PM

Gatling wrote: »

Some tallaforians have officially requested help from mr Putin and his merry army

Don't think he'd be the right man for those type jobs

“If minorities prefer Sharia
Law, then we advise them to
go to those places where
that’s the state law. Russia
does not need minorities.

Minorities need Russia, and
we will not grant them
special privileges, or try to
change our laws to fit their
desires, no matter how loud
they yell ‘discrimination”
—Vladimir Putin

wes · 28-03-2014 05:26PM

Gatling wrote: »

I'd be more worried about judges who can't seem or willing to give out a sentence for serious offences ,
Than one who does an impression of prince Philip

I don't think its an either or situation. Surely, we are better off without either.

Ray Palmer · 28-03-2014 05:57PM

sillyoulfool wrote: »

Fair dues to him for what?
He has now publicly displayed an irrational bias so wrong that he will have to either choose to recuse himself from any trial involving a member of the Muslim faith, or be removed from hearing any such case by a superior court.

In fairness it isn't irrational the faith is based on a book that says it is OK to beat your wife. It would be irrational if it was plucked from thin air.

If a Muslim does not follow the book they are not a full practicing Muslim and as such not Muslim at all. The same applies to not following rules set by the Pope and calling yourself Catholic.

Gatling · 28-03-2014 05:59PM

wes wrote: »

I don't think its an either or situation. Surely, we are better off without either.

Fully agree but unfortunately it seems we're stuck with both it seems with zero say in the matters

loobylou · 28-03-2014 07:18PM

Ah here, it's not a real beating, just an admonishment.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWCkEZlu3mM

Nodin · 28-03-2014 07:40PM

Hitchens wrote: »

Don't think he'd be the right man for those type jobs

“If minorities prefer Sharia
Law, then we advise them to
go to those places where
that’s the state law. Russia
does not need minorities.

Minorities need Russia, and
we will not grant them
special privileges, or try to
change our laws to fit their
desires, no matter how loud
they yell ‘discrimination”
—Vladimir Putin

I'm sorry, hes not the man of your dreams.

http://www.hoax-slayer.com/putin-duma-speech-sharia-law.shtml

Sunglasses Ron · 28-03-2014 10:59PM

TheDoc wrote: »

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I'm not muslim, but knew a few through my time in working life and college, and I don't recall their outlook or opinions on woman being anything outragous or disrespectful.

Have you ever talked to anyone from places like Lancashire, Luton or the towns around Leeds? To a man (and woman*) all I have met seem to have a fairly opposite opinion.

*the women from these towns I have met have even worse opinions than the men, primarily because of the sexism they get off a lot of the locals. One girl I met was a teacher who used to dread having to meet the fathers on parents nights, such was their disrespect of her ability as a female teaching boys.

All of told me the problems have got steadily worse post 9/11. More women adopting the full burqa (or letterboxes as their known as) being the one they found most intimidating.

I think Irish Muslims are more a different kettle of fish mind, seeing as they are far less likely to be growing up in an almost entirely Muslim area (around the Sth Circular Rd is the only place I can think of where they appear to form a very lare percentage of the population similar to parts of England).

But let's be honest, the judge likely has a better and more realistic view on who does what by the cases he has dealt with than anyone here does.

Sunglasses Ron · 28-03-2014 11:04PM

osarusan wrote: »

If the Spanish judge said that it seemed like all the Irish up in court were drunken violent louts, he'd be right.

If he thought that he could extrapolate from his experience that Irish in general were drunken violent louts, would he be right?

Not quite. But I wouldn't get mortally offended by a Spanish judge saying "the Irish like to get drunk and fight". Because, on a whole, he would be partially right. At least on the count of getting rotten drunk. I love it myself. It's what we do, there is no point in denying it

Any audit is unnecessary, as he didn't say that his statement was limited to people in his courtroom. .

I'm reading this as "we shouldn't do an audit in case we find that the percentage of Muslims tried in his court for domestic violence is higher than their percentage of the population"

Basically you are refusing to entertain whether he might actually be correct. I bet you can't wait for the day when freedom of speech is actually fully illegal.

Sunglasses Ron · 28-03-2014 11:08PM

Nodin wrote: »

I'm sorry, hes not the man of your dreams.

http://www.hoax-slayer.com/putin-duma-speech-sharia-law.shtml

It is still a good point though.

Would you agree that people who wish for a Sharia legal system and insist on their wives and daughters wearing a full burqa are best suited to not living in Western society and should go to live elsewhere?

Nodin · 28-03-2014 11:13PM

Sunglasses Ron wrote: »

...............

But let's be honest, the judge likely has a better and more realistic view on who does what by the cases he has dealt with than anyone here does.

My bollocks he does. The eejit thinks the civil defence need to be deployed in Tallaght ffs.

Sunglasses wrote:

Basically you are refusing to entertain whether he might actually be correct

....he made a comment about muslims. He did not refer to data, cases or anything.

Sunglasses wrote:

Would you agree that people who wish for a Sharia legal system and insist on their wives and daughters wearing a full burqa are best suited to not living in Western society and should go to live elsewhere?

What has this to do with the thread? Other than the usual "Waah, the muslims are comin".

Sunglasses Ron · 28-03-2014 11:20PM

Nodin wrote: »

What has this to do with the thread? Other than the usual "Waah, the muslims are comin".

Are you going to answer or not? Seeing as you made the time to quote the "Putin" statement, whether you agree with said statement or not is entirely relevant.

Again, the main point here is thus- anyone who disagrees with the statement needs to audit his domestic violence caseload from the last decade and see whether he is talking balls or not.

Nodin · 28-03-2014 11:24PM

Sunglasses Ron wrote: »

Are you going to answer or not?

It's not "relevant", you just seized on it to start the usual scaremongering cack.

If we throw out everyone who wants to change the country, the place would be empty. They can live here, as long as they don't try to force their crap on anyone else.

Sunglasses Ron · 28-03-2014 11:30PM

Nodin wrote: »

If we throw out everyone who wants to change the country, the place would be empty. They can live here, as long as they don't try to force their crap on anyone else.

But isn't the defining tenet of Wahabbi/ Salafist Islam (which these people would likely follow) to eventually force this type of thing on a wider population? By default most families who force their women to wear the letterboxes would prefer the rest of society to live by their laws, correct? On the admittedly rare occasions I do see a woman wearing this stuff, the idea that she and her family are unsuited to living in Western society certainly flies through my mind.

Nodin · 28-03-2014 11:33PM

Sunglasses Ron wrote: »

But isn't the defining tenet of Wahabbi/ Salafist Islam (which these people would likely follow)............

Which people? The mythical people you have in your head? No idea. If you want to talk about a specific group living in Ireland, i'll hazard a guess though.

Sunglasses Ron · 28-03-2014 11:37PM

Nodin wrote: »

Which people? The mythical people you have in your head? No idea. If you want to talk about a specific group living in Ireland, i'll hazard a guess though.

Goodnight :pac:

rockbeast · 28-03-2014 11:42PM

That judge needs to be sent to Tallamisbad for some re-education.

Sunglasses Ron · 28-03-2014 11:44PM

rockbeast wrote: »

That judge needs to be sent to Tallamisbad for some re-education.

At least he is cracking down on the Tallaghtban :pac:

Femme_Fatale · 28-03-2014 11:45PM

Cian92 wrote: »

He called it as it is. Fairplay.

"Called it as it is"? What about all those muslim men who don't agree with beating women? It's fair enough to make the point that strains within Islam like sharia are repugnant, but it shouldn't be difficult to go to a bit more trouble then "Muslims feel they can beat their wives" in how it's said.

D1stant wrote: »

Qur'an (4:34) - "Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great."

That said, you can find some fairly medieval stuff in the Bible too

Yeh, and not all christians today take the bible literally.

rockbeast · 28-03-2014 11:51PM

Sunglasses Ron wrote: »

At least he is cracking down on the Tallaghtban :pac:

You may boil an egg
You could batter a burger
But you just can't beat your wife:eek::pac:

Judge calls it

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